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Goverment is coming up with more regulations on food safty. This one will hit the producers hard espiasilly small farmers that go to farmers markets .Seems to me its the large ones are the ones with the proplems.It will also effect if you make hay and sell it .It will not effect farmers crops if you use the crop for yourself.A lot of people make hay to sell to horse people at what point will the rules and regulations make the small farmer just throw in the towel?How about the people that raise a few cattle ?This goverment is out of control
 
Indiana Ag Mag 12-19-13 article

"FDA Plans to Change FSMA Proposed Rules that Affect Farmers"

My questions:

Which rules will specifically effect hay production? and how?

Since it is about human food, and horse hay is for a non-meat animal, how will it effect us?
 
The article did not say it just said it would effect hay producers that sell hay because they would not be exempt from the rule making process.I think they are now in the process of making to rules.The article was in Agri-View a Wi based ag news paper
 
I'm tired of all the rules, regulations, insurances, and taxes that I have no desire to start another business. Been retired 10 years. Haven't even started drawing my SS. CPA tells me it will be taxed too, so why start up another business? Way too many hoops, regs, taxes. Just need to find another hobby.
 

FSMA in relation to food chain could mean field to fork trace-ability on animal production and feed sources.

BSE crisis demonstrated the need to control and manage what went into animal feed.

Arguably most of the issues arose from greed of corporations, not actions of the farmer.

FDA had already established a record keeping rule requiring food industry to maintain what they bought from who, and who they sold food to.

As far as farmers? This may be as simple as recording that Farmer Smith bought 2000 small square bales made from the field next to the barn.

Could be as complex as requiring full nutrient management and input records in relation to sales or past historical uses of the land.

1) Hay grown on a field that has been farmed for 40 years and has ammonium nitrate applied.

2) Hay grown on a field that was reclaimed from a former industrial site high in heavy metals and toxins that has had untreated city sewage applied to it.

I wouldn't worry about anything until being forced to do it.
 
If you are referring to the BSE cases in the United States when was the ""crisis"?, there have been exactly 4 proven cases of BSE in the USA in 20 years and all were several years apart. The first case in Washington State was imported from Canada, the second and third cases, one in Texas and one in Alabama were ruled as genetic mutants, the last was in California and is a different strain of the disease also not related meat based proteins. There are zero verifiable cases of BSE in the USA caused by USA produced feed. The majority of USA beef and milk are produced on grass and forage based diets, always have been, there is no money to be made otherwise. Yes, dairy cows and feedlot cattle are fed corn and other grains and a variety of plant based protein supplements but they are fed alot of corn sialge and alfalfa hay too. Meat and bone meal or tankage was never fed to ruminants very much at all in the US, mostly to hogs. That is the way the government "helps", by spreading falsehoods to justify taking away more freedoms and rights to do what you want with your own land.
 
If all they're talking about is tracability,I've got no problem with it. After the TB situation here in Michigan that caused every herd of cattle in the state to have to be tested,if all I have to do is have a two dollar electronic I.D. tag in them to sell them,it's a pretty cheap,simple tradeoff.
As far as feed,if you were in the livestock business in Michigan when that fire retardant was mixed in to dairy concentrate,you'd have no problem with traceability of feed either. For a time there we couldn't send a cow to the sale barn until the vet came out and took a fat sample and tested it.
 
Its a whole lot easier for your representative groups (grain
check off, livestock orginizations, grower groups, etc) to get
involved early and help write the rules, than to come in late
after they are written and hiss and moan about them.

Being proactive gets things done on stuff like this.

Paul
 
Just one more step to get closer to being a communist country where the people will not have a say in what goes on.
Said it more then once but I'll say it again
Every new law just takes one more freedom from the people.
Gov has gotten to big and doing things and sticking there nose into place they have no right to be
 
(quoted from post at 10:02:13 12/26/13) If you are referring to the BSE cases in the United States when was the ""crisis"?,
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I was referring from a worldwide point of view, while it may not have been a US specific event, it showed what can happen when clearly identifying where feed was coming from and what was going into it and what farms were using it and where they bought it can cause.

The FDA is very much interested in what goes on outside of US borders. The FSMA has requirements for importers and factories outside the USA and includes FDA inspections outside of the USA.
 

We've had the RFID tags now for a few years. We sell our feeders and the buyer scans each animal, can show where that animal originated from.

Of course, that all goes out the window if an tags lost off....

RFID much easier...used to have to READ each tag and get the numbers!!!
 
Say what you want to Rich,but if you'd been through what we've been through in Michigan since the early 70s you'd think different on the subject. If I ship a load of cattle to the sale barn on any given day,and an animal or group of them that sold that day caused or had a health problem,I don't want to be sitting on my hands under quarantine for a month while MDA tries to track down where the animal or animals originated. If they came from here I want to know now. If they didn't,I want to be able to sell cattle next week.

Same thing with feed. When that PBB in the feed thing happened 40 years ago,that mess went on for years. If we could have traced that feed to the farms where it was sold,and the animals from those farm to where they were sold in a few hours,it would have been a whole different decade for us.
 
(quoted from post at 18:46:23 12/26/13) Its a whole lot easier for your representative groups (grain
check off, livestock orginizations, grower groups, etc) to get
involved early and help write the rules, than to come in late
after they are written and hiss and moan about them.

Being proactive gets things done on stuff like this.

Paul
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In the late 90's/early 00's hog farmers united together and by a large majority voted to stop funding and be done with the mandatory pork checkoff that was being manipulated by the federal government. In the end, courts held that this checkoff, and many others were "government speech", which trumps individual freedoms of expression, and this and any other checkoff deemed to be "government speech" were to be in place as long as the government saw fit. The checkoff $$$ would continue to be collected (it's stolen from you before you get a check), whether it was working for/on the behalf of those who had funded it or not.

Good luck thinking your voice will be heard by anyone at a national checkoff on an issue pertaining to federal legislation empowering a(nother) federal government agency. Both are branches on the same, ever-expanding tree, which is soon to be completely rotten.

AG
 
I can see some of that if your going a long distance with things but a little guy like me who sells local should not have to worry about the Gov stepping on my toe because I sell say 30 bales of hay a year locally
 
Rich I don't think they are after the little guy who sells his own home grown hay or whatever, but the law is getting closer to the small seller. The person who sells veggies from his home garden or field at the farmers market is exempt from inspection. If he runs short of a certain veggie and buys some from a neighbor and takes it to the farmers market to sell, then he's subject to GVT inspection the same as the supermarket. What bothers me is the GVT inspected seal on the vegies in the supermarket doesn't guarantee the food won't make you sick. If MRS housewife starts shying away from the inspected stuff she might stay even farther away from the farmer's market food that really is safe. Jim
 
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