Cop do they have to obey the laws??

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Watch a city cop today break at least 3 laws.
#1 ran a stop sign.
#2 did not signal a right turn.
#3 did not signal a 2nd right turn as he pulled a black truck over which appear to have a brake light out on the right side.
Yes a rant that the cop do not seem to obey the laws they are payed to enforce
 
Apparently Not, As In ga recently there was a State trooper that ran up on slowed traffic on an interstate, Carrying a State Senator, WELL..He hit someone in the rear in front of him, (The Cop) that is, and wasn't charged with the Acident, i thought if You hit soneone in the rear, You're ALWAYS at Fault?? maybe someone can chime on this, Larry
 
Well Rich, I know what you mean, but local law enforcement are generally small potatoes and don't generally do that much harm. Now, I won't say that there aren't exceptions because there clearly are. Without naming names and stuff, the ones that you, me, and most should be concerned with, are the ones occupying OUR nation's capitol that write and sign the laws into law for us common and little unrepresented over taxed folk, but don't apply of obey..... Well, I don't think that I need to go much further.

At times, Barney Fife can get to be a royal pain, but....

Rich, Thanksgiving is in a couple of days, are you set for it? I got me eight extra turkey drumsticks to soak in a gallon of Jack Daniels Old No. 7 black lable mixed with honey and cherry preserves to do on the Weber. That's my ten legged turkey. I got the idea from watching John Madden doing the annual Thanksgiving NFC game year after year. His always had six legs. Mine has grown to ten legs, and the extra legs always taste the best, no of them ever left over. And not all of the Jack Black ends up soaking into the drumsticks if you know what I mean. Most does, but I can never turn down a warming shot or two of that. Puts a smile on my face, and warmth in my belly.

Mark
 
The Governor here in Iowa has been pulled over several times lately, seems his drivers don't know what the posted speed limit signs mean. I think his drivers are state troopers and should know the laws.
 
As for thanks giving I have a turkey thawing out in the fridge right behind me. Have a bunch of sweet potato's for making sweet potato pie. And all the other stuff for the dinner. I do the cooking then take it to my moms house for noon meal
Af for ready well would be if I could ever get a deer or 3. Been the worse deer season I have ever seen and I am not the only one who has been missing shots and not seeing deer or when seen they are at a run
 
No not following him but he pulled out right in front of me with out stopping at the stop sign then he turned right like I was doing to go up to a store and then he pulled over the truck so no not following him just he was going the same way as I was at the time
 
Ya know? I was set for sweet potato pie myself, but someone else is making some kind of sweet potato casserole of some sort, so pecan pie its going to be. Yep, for some reason, its not good deer hunting this season so far.

Mark
 
Old, look up 20/20 segment from ABC news from early October. It was about speeding cops. Investigators set up cameras in cars on freeway and waited for cops to pass at excessive speed without sirens, lights ect. They followed those cops to their destination and questioned them. Most were pretty sheepish when questioned, but a few were cocky.
Last I heard 3 were under investigation for the incidents.
 
Yep, NY has a law, lights on when it's raining , I can't tell u how many troopers I pass in the rain with no ights on, just total bs.
 
My father in-law was a Denver Cop for 30 years. As a patrolman he was reprimanded for not issuing enough tickets. When asked about it he told his Sargent that he just didn't see that many people that were worse drivers than he was. He only wrote good tickets and not silly bs ones just to make numbers. Now this was back in the day and I am sure things have changed as to what is expected from patrolmen. All that being said I see stuff that is amazing in my drive to work and back each day. People are a little goffey and how they drive.

Greg
 
You just broke the 11th Commandment...you pointed out the "sins" of a cop.

I learned long ago to keep my big mouth shut. After seeing some blatant traffic violations by a cop who was on his way to supper, I said something. The gist of the sh*tstorm thrown my way was, "Just wait 'til YOU need a cop; we'll FIND a way to have something better to do." Since I have a family, I can't afford to see them back up those kinds of threats.

[That's also why I have a lifetime "personal protection" handgun permit, issued by the State of Indiana...]
 

MA state cop was arrested last night for driving under the influence of drugs and Alcohol, and failure to pull to left for police cruiser on the side with lights working. He rear ended the cruiser and went right to jail.
 
County attorney and most of the law enforcement was in the local cantina/Mexican food joint a few years ago haveing a good ol time for one"s birthday party. Someone stuck his head around the corner "so who"s driving home?" (with a few colorful words thrown in). Party over, they were calling anyone they could think of to get home.

Son of the guy who asked had his MIP charges dropped shortly afterward, too.
 

That's how you know your in the Lake of the Ozarks. Wasn't long ago that a miller county deputy was on duty, wrecked a car while under the influence of drugs and while in possession off meth.
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=768068

Just up the road a little ways, a Stover police office had a drunk driving accident. He was terminated then rehired as the chief of police. http://www.neoshodailynews.com/article/20121116/NEWS/121119145

In October 2004 Jay Pragman of the Missouri water patrol rear ended my uncle in front of "pickeled pete's" on hwy 54. He was so drunk he couldn't hardly standup, 1 week later he was moved away from the Lake of the Ozarks to Table Rock Lake in the Branson. II have searched high and low online and you can't find any news reports, and it is not on case net. It just disappeared.

I'm sure that many many more incidents like Pragman's have vanashed.

Tommy
 
Ya and cops wonder why people have little or no respect for them any more they break as many of more laws then they enforce and the sad thing it they get away with it
 
You could have made a citizens arrest. Yeaaaaaaaaaa right..You fail to communicate to him his faulty driving..ha ha ha. LOU.
 
I recently observed a neighboring county patrol car on the highway doing similar things. Mainly not using signals to change lanes, and tailgating, you know how some just have to clear that left lane no matter how fast the car ahead of them is going. That intimidates some drivers, makes em nervous, maybe its a tactic to shake out criminals by doing just that. Its common enough that it sticks out in my memory, see them using phones with no hands free device, also see a lot of commercial drivers using phones like that too. Was driving next to an idiot texting on a nearby busy highway, head down, I don't like these kinds of drivers, they get people killed.

About 10 years ago, I was asked to go pick up a tractor trailer at a farm, and take it 2 exits or so down to fuel it up. While doing that a state trooper was in the vicinity, he overtook me from the middle lane, and literally pulled out in front of me, had I been loaded, I would have pushed the trunk of that car into the back seat, something I have actually done when someone did that same thing, some ford escort variant, scary stuff, especially being on a high bridge ! Unloaded they skid, loaded they just don't stop quick, what this inexperienced state trooper did, I was in disbelief, all to pull someone over, had he turned his lights on in the middle lane first, I'd have slowed, but he cut right in, no lights, or turn signal, then turned on the flashing lights, with no regard to what was behind him. I was like of all the dumb luck, don't drive commercial much, it was just like in the old days, I'd always be the guy who got pulled over, 2 trucks or 40 running locally, same trooper, 3 different companies, just happens to be me every time. I cannot even imagine what would have happened, things do get turned around sometimes, had a trucker out of canada rear end me, me 55 mph, he, 60+ mph, I was in a R model long frame mack, 48' flatbed, he hits me and rips the nose of his tractor, I somehow left short skid marks, impact made me hit the brake pedal, I got cited for unsafe braking, so with that in mind I was so glad I was able to avoid the collision, clean abstract 25 yrs, just knew it'd get turned around and I'm at fault,when in fact it was clearly the opposite.
 
Well have seen a state trooper pull over one of the city officers obstructing traffic. Refused the ticket and got locked up.
 
Yep, seen a cop slow down for a stop sign going about 20 through it ,lol, but if I would have did that he would have gave me a fancy light show and a big ticket, they just think they can do what every they want, and there right they can , because who's going to stop em.

thanks

dayne
 
Cops know of no laws in Clinton Co, Mi. Had a County cop pull out in front of me while I was driving down US27. Had to slam on the brakes to avoid him.

Followed for a little while to see how fast a Clinton Co transport was going. 85+mph in a 65.

Nearly everyday see them driving at least 10 over. Never see one doing the speed limit unless he is held back by traffic.

I looked up the Motor vehicle code once. It said everyone was to obey the speed laws including officers unless they were red lights and siren. Haven't seen one that did yet.
 
Yep, to put it simply in Ga.,you must always be in control of your front end. I know someone who was recently in a case of road rage by idiot pulling in front of them and they hit him in the rear. Friend got cited following too close, idiot got nothing. Impact was such that passenger door couldn't be opened...Jeep got totaled, speed at impact maybe 10-15 mph?
 
Do you remember? Back in the 80s, a Lake Ozark city cop got busted for shooting a robo-deer from the road in the State Park out of season. Since it wasn't a real deer, the only charge that stuck was unlawful discharge. He did lose his job over that one, but times have changed.
 
This past Summer, I was coming up 54 Highway pulling trailer with expired plates. I look over at the left lane as I needed to turn off at the top of the hill and there's a MO State Highway Patrolman doing about 70 typing away on his computer. He looks up and sees me, then backs off and pulls in behind me. I go ahead and make my turn and the lights come on. He claimed I wasn't wearing my seatbelt, which is a crock. Hindsight is 20/20 but I should have asked how he would know such a thing the way he was playing on the computer while driving.
 
They do where I live. Had a DPS officer get a ticket. From the county Sheriff.Sheriff says laws apply to everyone. Really shaking this county up.
 
(quoted from post at 19:04:15 11/25/13) Yep, NY has a law, lights on when it's raining , I can't tell u how many troopers I pass in the rain with no ights on, just total bs.

Jay, try and find someone that can prove that they were actually written a ticket for that charge where an accident wasn't involved. That law was the biggest joke around the station when it came out. No one ever gets pulled over for that. It's strictly an insurance thing.
 
Nothing get's me more PO'd than seeing a PO doing something he obviously shouldn't do. The big thing around me is cell phones. Yes, there is a law that allows you to use a cell phone while driving in an emergency. When I see a Trooper laughing away talking away on his cell while driving it just makes me see red. Especially if it's someone I worked with. So I call the station Sgt and let him know what's going on. Any of you can do that too. You don't have to give your name or anything, just let him know his guys are making fools of themselves. It usually has the desired effect, at least in my old agency.

As far as the speeding thing goes, here's how it works- You get told to be at such and such a place at a certain time. That place is 2.5 hrs away at 55. They give you an hour to get there, no OT allowed. What do you do? Or someone calls in a complaint. It's 35 miles to his house, he expects you there in 10 seconds. If you run lights and siren and it's not a real emergency, you're wrong. If the guy thinks you took too long and complains to a supervisor, you're wrong. Or look at it another way, I used to set the cruise at 55. People would be irate because I was holding them up, they were used to driving 66-67 mph. You're darned if you do and darned if you don't.
 
In New York state - a police car, fire truck, and ambulance are legally NOT motor vehicles. Therefore not subject to NY motor vehicle laws. I'm sure they have their set of rules to follow. What they are - I haven't a clue. NY also passed a state-wide law recently making it illegal to have more then one unregistered motor vehicle per premise. In this law . . . trucks with snow plows are exempt. So are farms that can show "surplus" vehicles are saved for spare parts.
 
A couple years ago I was driving on the Colonial National Parkway between Yorktown and Williamsburg Virginia. It was a dark, rainy night in December temperature about 32 degrees.. I was going to attend a program at the Williamsburg library. I was very concerned about black ice, thus I drove about 35MPH, 10 MPH under the posted speed limit. There was very little if any other traffic on the road, other than one car almost tail-gating me for about 10 miles. Every time there was a passing opportunity, I slowed to allow the car to pass, but he refused. Well finally I saw the blue lights come on. I pulled over and a National Park Ranger came up to the car and interrogated me as to how much I had to drink, and that I had been driving erratically. My 83 year old sister who was in the back seat was terrified.. she had never been pulled over by a policeman. I told the Ranger to go ahead and give me a breathalyzer and write me a ticket and we would let the Federal Magistrate sort this out. (all this time my wife was kicking me and telling me to shut up LOL). The young Ranger backed off when he realized he had a car full of old pharts that were indeed law abiding citizens.
 
I think in this case, it was a younger person, early in their career, thankfully nothing happened. Overall, it boils down to people in general, don't matter what uniform they wear or what they do for an occupation, they drive the same roads, doing foolish things, I always thought that we as a society would or should be better than that. Today, a smart driver has to be well aware of what shares the same road, especially on 2 lane state roads.
 
Intersection, about a mile down the road from me makes a great hiding spot for deputies running radar on the hiway.
Soon after he started sitting there I notice coffee cups on the side of the road. After 3 or 4 of them accumulated I picked them up and started keeping an eye out. Sure enough after he sat there, more cups.
I called over and spoke to the under sheriff.
I have been pulled over 3 times since that complaint, for made up crap, touching the fog line. 59 in a fifty five, obscured license plate light.
That is 2 more times than I have been pulled over in the previous 40 years of living here.
So no cops do not have to obey the law and they do have the right of retaliation with impunity if they are called on it.
 
And it gets worse every year. Supervisors cover for them. Glad to see that others are getting tired of it too. Maybe we can get the attn: of the management, but it sort of an old boys club.
 
ACTUALLY...in MY area, when you call the police station to report something, you CANNOT remain anonymous. They require you to give them your name, or they won't take the report.
 
Passing on the right also. Darn near got hit by an Iowa county Sheriff this spring. I'll bet it would have been my fault also.
 
they do, but around here "cops" have little to no training, that way the town doesnt have to pay much for them, i guess to obey the law one would have to know what they were first, these guys make up their own to suite
 
(quoted from post at 19:04:15 11/25/13) Yep, NY has a law, lights on when it's raining , I can't tell u how many troopers I pass in the rain with no ights on, just total bs.

I've seen the same thing Jay.Seems strange too since I'm pretty sure most of the cars their driveing have DRL as standard equipment.I have several currant or retired trooper friends.One of these days I'm going to ask one of them.
 
No one HAS to obey the law, but some can disobey with impunity while others can not. Simple, eh?
 
Actually I have been pulled over for no headlights in the rain. I did have the parking lights on. It was my old 88 F150 pickup, kinda rough looking but good tires and brakes. When I explained my alternator was bad and I didn't want to kill the battery, he let me go and even waited to make sure it would restart. I think he pulled me over to make sure it was properly registered and inspected. (I was not far from the local scrap yard and on my way home from the auto parts store. LOL) I'm not complaining, he was real decent about it.
 
Does this law mean only junk vehicles that don't run?

We have a farm truck that is unregistered. Its not a junker, we use it around the farm, but it never leaves the farm.

We also have James' 65 Chevy that is unregistered, but not running at the moment. Its not a junker or parts vehicle, just not running. Does your law mean we would have to get rid of one of the old trucks?
 
(quoted from post at 12:27:14 11/26/13) Does this law mean only junk vehicles that don't run?

We have a farm truck that is unregistered. Its not a junker, we use it around the farm, but it never leaves the farm.

We also have James' 65 Chevy that is unregistered, but not running at the moment. Its not a junker or parts vehicle, just not running. Does your law mean we would have to get rid of one of the old trucks?
t is all about control. Control by a few that want to lord over the rest of us. There are cities right here in Texas that have those same kind of laws. Guess who moved here & brought those laws with them?
 
(quoted from post at 05:48:57 11/26/13) In New York state - a police car, fire truck, and ambulance are legally NOT motor vehicles. Therefore not subject to NY motor vehicle laws. I'm sure they have their set of rules to follow. What they are - I haven't a clue. NY also passed a state-wide law recently making it illegal to have more then one unregistered motor vehicle per premise. In this law . . . trucks with snow plows are exempt. So are farms that can show "surplus" vehicles are saved for spare parts.

I know of villages with this law but I haden't heard of a NYS law regarding it.
 
Thats interesting, though I recall hearing something of this. Well there's good and bad to this I suppose. The town years ago, sent me a warning about my old chevy K10 with a snow plow on it, I ignored it. It was not registered or on the road. Around then they were not so punctual with clearing snow from our lane, which is a fairly steep slope. so I would do it, often times at night getting home late, having to walk up the hill, clear the road, then walk down and get my vehicle, which was now in their way. Funny how the taxes have to be paid on time, and they were looking to obviously cite and or fine me. All of this is a bunch of petty crap to me, and I'm not the guy on the phone complaining, I'd rather take action myself, so if they don't show up, I'll do it and that is that.

Truck still sits in my yard, with 2 others and a pair of D7's, all of which I need to work on. My problem is some things I just don't get rid of, by the same token, I'm also not bringing any additional vehicles or any junk/clutter in, my last car, a daily driver, sure I'd have loved to mothball it for a later project, was a little convertible, but I sold it to someone who has one and likes these, for a parts car, ran good, so he had space in a garage, solved the problem, so in my case, the state does not have to worry about this place becoming some rogue salvage yard or hoard of vehicles that is growing in size.

One memory comes to mind was a 3 day blizzard in the early 70's, pre-'72, where the roads were totally impassable, the town called upon my father to open the state road with one of the old D7's, there was a rock cut 500 yards down the road and it drifted in like something out west in the rocky mountains, he had to punch a hole through it, this state road was closed, no equipment was near or available, it was an absolute emergency to get that road open, especially for emergency services. It would be really funny to have the town cite me for still having the tractor, I assume no laws have been passed in regards to old equipment. The other one is within a 1000 tractors in serial numbers, so yes it could be considered spare parts, they are identical, and the one in better condition legitimately only has 1015 original hours, tracks are like new, so it will be a very useful tractor to me sometime in the future, hoping to land a job I've applied for, then I'll be able to pick up where I left off with idled things in my yard.

It amazes me that a law like this carried any clout or pressing significance, we have other problems, our rights to bear arms has been infringed, and how many other things.
 
(quoted from post at 10:28:40 11/26/13)
(quoted from post at 05:48:57 11/26/13) In New York state - a police car, fire truck, and ambulance are legally NOT motor vehicles. Therefore not subject to NY motor vehicle laws. I'm sure they have their set of rules to follow. What they are - I haven't a clue. NY also passed a state-wide law recently making it illegal to have more then one unregistered motor vehicle per premise. In this law . . . trucks with snow plows are exempt. So are farms that can show "surplus" vehicles are saved for spare parts.

I know of villages with this law but I haden't heard of a NYS law regarding it.

Actually, it's when they are operating under emergency conditions. Otherwise they are still obliged to obey the traffic laws.
 
Who's going to arrest them? On the other hand, there is a limit. One of our deputies got caught selling marijuana. They nailed him for that. Another time, a county detective drove his undercover car into a ditch at a tee. State Patrol cited him for DUI. County demoted him. Get this. Demoted him to "Traffic Patrol Duty". Pretty funny.
 
(quoted from post at 16:57:31 11/26/13)

Yes, but you have to realize, his time is valuable and he can't be bothered by following the same rules that apply to commoners.

Gene

Well, yeah, his time IS valuable because the tax payer is footing the bill. If the cop is sitting there goofing off he's wrong. If he's rushing to get to the next complaint he's wrong. If he doesn't rush and takes longer than expected, he's wrong. If you have a complaint and he's working on another case, he's wrong, unless you're the one who's case he's working on, then it's only right he should work the case, but he's still taking too long.

Darned if you do, darned if you don't.
 
For the most part cops are required to obey the laws they are supposed to enforce. I know that some states allow cops to run over the speed limit without lights or siren when responding to a call but for regular patrol they are supposed to obey traffic law.

Rick
 
How are the cops supposed to catch the speeders if the cops obey the speed limit?

While they're driving along at 55MPH and holding up traffic, some jerkwad is over the next rise doing 75MPH and pulling away from the pack.
 
That is a different story but things like no turn signals and running a stop sign with out the lights flashing is flat out wrong and he should get a ticket and fast the judge like every body else has to when caught
 

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