(quoted from post at 15:58:20 11/22/13)
(quoted from post at 17:21:09 11/22/13) You guys really want clean, renewable energy sources? It's simple and easy and pretty darn cheap. Get some land and some horses and cattle and build a wood gasifier to run your gen set off of. That's the only viable alternative. No matter what you do, whether it's LNG, methane, hydrogen, miracle machines the gov't comes and seizes or whatever, you aren't go to invent something that will give you clean, renewable energy. Hydrogen is just like ethanol, it takes more energy to produce than it can make. Solar is not a "clean" energy at all. Look at the minerals involved in making the panels. Yeah, China is mining the minerals, but it's still pollution. Look at the chemicals and minerals involved in your storage batteries. Face it, there's no free ride. So if you want a genuine clean energy source, better learn to drive oxen and horses and prepare to live using about 2% of the energy you use now.
And as for the other end of it, do any of you really believe the gov't is going to let someone play with their rice bowl and cause then to lose all that tax money?
ell, from what I read, it looks like BO has the people in place to put you back to horses, mules, walking, etc. with a "de-develop" the USA!
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/white-house-science-czar-says-he-would-use-free-market-de-develop-united-states
(CNSNews.com) - In a video interview this week, White House Office of Science and Technology Director John P. Holdren told CNSNews.com that he would use the “free market economy” to implement the “massive campaign” he advocated along with Population Bomb author Paul Ehrlich to “de-develop the United States.”
In his role as President Barack external_link’s top science and technology adviser, Holdren deals with issues ranging from global warming to health care.
“A massive campaign must be launched to restore a high-quality environment in North America and to de-develop the United States,” Holdren wrote along with Paul and Anne H. Ehrlich in the “recommendations” concluding their 1973 book Human Ecology: Problems and Solutions.
“De-development means bringing our economic system (especially patterns of consumption) into line with the realities of ecology and the global resource situation,” Holdren and the Ehrlichs wrote.
“Resources must be diverted from frivolous and wasteful uses in overdeveloped countries to filling the genuine needs of underdeveloped countries," Holdren and his co-authors wrote. "This effort must be largely political, especially with regard to our overexploitation of world resources, but the campaign should be strongly supplemented by legal and boycott action against polluters and others whose activities damage the environment. The need for de-development presents our economists with a major challenge. They must design a stable, low-consumption economy in which there is a much more equitable distribution of wealth than in the present one. Redistribution of wealth both within and among nations is absolutely essential, if a decent life is to be provided for every human being.”
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