Digital inbox required by law.

4xMF

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I live in Denmark and our Danish government has by law decided that every business (including farmers) in the country must by 1st of Nov. have a digital inbox. All information from authoraties and public service will thereafter only be sent by email to this inbox which you will logon via a protected digital signature. This means that a lot of senior farmers who have no internet access and do not know how to use a computer will be left in trouble and it may cause some to give up farming I think. Not all of them have children or grandchildren who can help them out and even if they do who wants all of this personal information shared with their family? We even have spots in the country where just a slow internet connection via old copper telephone line is available and I think websites tend to require speedier connections because the designers are used to good conditions so they put a lot of pictures and stuff on them causing them to hardly work on a slow connection.
We have so far been forced to do our fertilizing reports, spraying reports, herd reports, and applications for all sorts of grants and subsidies on the web.
Last year another rule was introduced: Any payment over DKK 10,000 = USD 1,800 must be a digital transfer. You cannot do it by an ordinary check or cash anymore.
A couple of years ago all public offices started to reject all paper invoices. Everyone who has supplied goods or work to some public institution (could be snow plowing for the county(to make this tractor related)) must send their invoice by email.

I was just wondering, is such or similar regulation common practice in other countries/states and how has it been accepted or would it be accepted if implemented?
 
"digital money transfer"

I expect that to try and fly in the USA real soon and one I will fight tooth and nail for. Sorry, I just don't trust my govt wtih my money. They want everything to have an audit trail so they can make more tax dollars, plain and simple. What our gov't fails to realize is it will spell the decline of the small business start ups. You simply CANNOT start a new business today by playing by the rules to the letter.
 
That sounds like something the banks and financial institutions would push for, their transaction costs will be reduced.

I think the state of Minnesota has delayed, for one year, only paying tax refunds as direct transfers into bank accounts, or issuing a debit card.
 
That is part of the New World Order the bible speaks of in the last days.
Looks like they are going to ram it down our throats one way or another.
It says no one will be able to buy or sell unless they have the mark of the beast.
 
[Fertilizing reports, spraying reports, herd reports; a couple of years ago all public offices started to reject all paper invoices]

Sounds like you live in some kind of Orwellian police state in Denmark.

It’s not quite that bad in the US yet but we do have people walking around that think they can stick their hands down your pants and feel for terrorist. If you question them or resist them you could end up 6ft under.

My hope is that a spirit of Liberty will once again surface and that we can save our nation.
 
I am really just waiting to see when people will finally revolt and take their land and property back. I am honestly shocked how many sit on their tails and accept it. You can literally throw a tree stump on the highway and people will ignore it for days and days and just drive around it (accept it). At someone someone grabs their balls.

We truly are living in a time where we are seeing ALL our liberties taken away. Drones watching us, med records are not private, financials ALL available to the feds, anything you do in life must be "approved". I really don't know what it is going to take.

They say humans have a herd mentality and it is shockingly true!!

I am at least proud to say that I am talking an active stand owning websites and doing my part to educate people on things like illegal small town legal systems. Most will simply ignore it though and that is sad.
 
Paperless record keeping and financial transactions have been round for years. What"s the big deal????
 
It is a cost savings measure, all my larger customers require electronic invoicing and direct deposit.
 
Govt very very very strongly encourages wireless fund
transfers, basically pretty much mandatory on what they pay
out any more.

We don't need emails, but more and more it is encouraged. I'm
sure we will be where you are in a few years.

I find there are very few safeguards on email and Internet
connections. Not just beyond hacking, but there are many
missed emails, down time, and companies that just disappear
and your info with them.

As well consumer protection and fraud and privacy rules were
very robust here in the USA using regular mail for
communication; while emails are required to be copied,
snooped, and recorded by govt agencies, and therefore
available to others with a motive.... And we have no recourse
on that, just oh well you have no rights....

It is the way of things these days.

Paul
 
It's not a big deal, just a way to have some fun by complaining about "THE GOVERNMENT". Remember when televisions were the government's way to secretly watch us in our homes?
 
I have a couple of things on this. One is that I do agree that unless access is complete to every corner there will be folks who simply cannot comply. Planned obsolescence of products, and people, is manifesting itself in many ways. Could this be one of them?

That being said, I worked for a company a few years ago that only paid by direct deposit, period. If I wanted my pay and didn't have a bank account, I had to open one. (I did open a separate account for them to deposit into. Didn't trust them nor did I want them to have access to anything else of mine.) After the deposit was made I would do a transfer into my regular account. You see, if you give access for someone to make a deposit they can make a withdrawal as well.

Where I work now we have 30 day charge accounts for our qualifying customers. There are a significant number of them who want to do electronic checks. No problem for us, we just do it. I have to admit it's much simpler and the transfer is instant.

The bottom line is that it cuts out many employees in the long run. One person can send out notices to thousands of people in one keystroke. More regulations that way...
 
We are there already here in the USA. State of
Illinois will not take a paper Quarterly report
(fuel you used in various states) There is a lot
more forms that we have to file electronically. For
some of my friends who don't to do it, there is
firms that will file for you for a fee. When you
write a check to Walmart they just scan it and give
it back to you. They have just electronically
removed the money from your account. Ain't life a
hoot! :) Vic
 
I got out of business 10 years ago because the goverment treated us like we was totally stupid. I talked to other ones in the same trade and all they would say is, we have to do it. They all had there tails between there legs. Now they tell me you knew when to get out, we should of too.
 
(quoted from post at 00:02:37 09/01/13) I live in Denmark and our Danish government has by law decided that every business (including farmers) in the country must by 1st of Nov. have a digital inbox. All information from authoraties and public service will thereafter only be sent by email to this inbox which you will logon via a protected digital signature. This means that a lot of senior farmers who have no internet access and do not know how to use a computer will be left in trouble and it may cause some to give up farming I think. Not all of them have children or grandchildren who can help them out and even if they do who wants all of this personal information shared with their family? We even have spots in the country where just a slow internet connection via old copper telephone line is available and I think websites tend to require speedier connections because the designers are used to good conditions so they put a lot of pictures and stuff on them causing them to hardly work on a slow connection.
We have so far been forced to do our fertilizing reports, spraying reports, herd reports, and applications for all sorts of grants and subsidies on the web.
Last year another rule was introduced: Any payment over DKK 10,000 = USD 1,800 must be a digital transfer. You cannot do it by an ordinary check or cash anymore.
A couple of years ago all public offices started to reject all paper invoices. Everyone who has supplied goods or work to some public institution (could be snow plowing for the county(to make this tractor related)) must send their invoice by email.

I was just wondering, is such or similar regulation common practice in other countries/states and how has it been accepted or would it be accepted if implemented?

Businesses love this and lobby big time for it.
 

And yes this will be accepted in the USA in the not very distant future as well. The up and coming generation cannot make it thru first grade without a high tech phone.

Invasion of the high text zombies!
 
Well, about a week ago I got a mailer from the Dept of something or other Census informing me that I (we) were “RANDOMLY” chosen to fill out some form about our levels of education and some other personal things that they said would not be shared with anyone else, and that I would be receiving something to fill out. I tossed it in the trash. During the week, I received the packet. I opened it and it had a piece of paper telling me that "...law required that I..." and since they want to conserve on trees, that I need to go to some internet link and fill out... Unfortunately for them, me, I don't have a computer as far as they know, so in the trash it went. Today, I received notice that if I don't go to the link as law requires, that I will be receiving a paper form to fill out instead. I tossed the card in the trash today too. After the soon to arrive in the near future paper form gets tossed into the trash in a few days after it arrives, I suppose that someone may come knocking on my door after passing several signs that say "Private Property No Trespassing" that applies to strangers and really anyone that I want it to. If and when that happens, if I'm home at the time, I will point to several of the posted signs that they would have had to see as they passed them and then will suggest to them very clearly that they have about 60 seconds to get off of my property, in all seriousness.

Open carry on my property is an attention getter without having to reach to put a hand on one so far.

Mark
 
Our IRS expects us to file our income tax
electronically. If we don't, there is a form we
fill out telling why we filed on paper. Our
township sewer authority just sent me a sewerage
bill even tho no sewerage line goer past my house!
Being an authority, there is no one that answers.
 
No wonder the paper industry is struggling! I am retired but our son is in the paper business, and we have a bunch of trees we hoped to sell to a paper mill.
 
Well, that's the direction things are going in the US, although we're not there yet. Personally I don't have a problem with it as long as there's no additional cost to the taxpayer, or if at least the cost is reasonable. But what happens here is that special interests get involved and someone ends up making a lot of money off what should be a free service. For example, our Internal Revenue Service could easily provide free tax return software or an on-line site for creation of tax returns. But there are a number of companies that make billions of dollars selling tax return software and services. Those companies spend a lot of money lobbying Congress to ensure the IRS is blocked from creating its own tax return software. Although you can file an electronic return for free if you have a simple return, for anyone with a complex return like mine it costs hundreds of dollars to buy the commercial tax return software to file electronically. Consequently many taxpayers with complex returns refuse to pay for commercial software and still file a paper return. The IRS ends up paying more to process the paper returns than it would cost them to give away tax preparation software.
 
(quoted from post at 02:49:07 09/01/13) Well, that's the direction things are going in the US, although we're not there yet. Personally I don't have a problem with it as long as there's no additional cost to the taxpayer, or if at least the cost is reasonable. But what happens here is that special interests get involved and someone ends up making a lot of money off what should be a free service. [b:3596789953] For example, our Internal Revenue Service could easily provide free tax return software or an on-line site for creation of tax returns. But there are a number of companies that make billions of dollars selling tax return software and services. Those companies spend a lot of money lobbying Congress to ensure the IRS is blocked from creating its own tax return software.[/b:3596789953] Although you can file an electronic return for free if you have a simple return, for anyone with a complex return like mine it costs hundreds of dollars to buy the commercial tax return software to file electronically. Consequently many taxpayers with complex returns refuse to pay for commercial software and still file a paper return. The IRS ends up paying more to process the paper returns than it would cost them to give away tax preparation software.

How smokes, I never even thought of that! Darn good point friend!

As far as the OP and those calling all this gov't intrusion exactly what it is, an over reaching gov't., I agree completely. Look, if they can mandate we have health insurance, they can mandate we have a computer of a certain type or that we drive a particular brand of car, drink a particular brand of coffee, eat only at a particular fast food joint, plant only a particular brand of seed. It most certainly IS a big deal! In the Germany they are raiding peoples homes and seizing their children if they homeschool in order to avoid indoctrination in the public system. In the US they are raiding market gardeners and small dairies. All for the public good of course! I've seen this stuff grow a lot over the past 25 years. It was the over reaching Federal gov't investigating a report of "suspected child abuse", which is NOT a Federal crime by the way, that lead to Waco and all those dead kids.

I'm all for easy communication and efficient operations, but there are lines we simply should never have crossed.
 
I worked with a fellow sorting hardwood lumber in the early 60s.He talked about the mark of the beast.John was right on.I file semiannual sales tax returns now, had to apply for a waiver to continue using a paper return.Got 2 more years, then I will quit business.The printer doesnt work right and I told them we may have to give up the telephone anyway.Many people do not have a computer or cant afford the costs to keep internet service.
 

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