Anonymous-0
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County. Tires killers, Find them along the road every once in a while.
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ShadetreeRet
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Horse shoes don't always bring you good luck do they?
notjustair
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Do you suppose they had a spare or did that poor horse have to drive home on a flat. That's how you know you had an Amish flat. Clop, clop, clop, tap...
Anonymous-0
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Nope, But This is the 2nd one I have missed this summer so THATS good luck.
Anonymous-0
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Not any sweat off their back If they lose them. They don't care if we have to replace a $125.00 tire or two.
Anonymous-0
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Yep.
Chuck (CA)
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What goes klippity-klop klippity-klop klippity-klop BANG! klippity-klop klippity-klop klippity-klop?
An Amish drive-by shooting.
An Amish drive-by shooting.
Paul from MI
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Glad you got to Portland, it is one of the best.
retired farmer
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Must have been going pretty fast to throw that shoe.
Anonymous-0
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I have a collection of horseshoes like that,a cup full of horseshoe nails that came out of all flat tires we have had,just gave up on having a clean car to much $hit on the road. When you see Amish moving in your peacefull clean community is gone!!!
As usual there's a lot of ignorant bigotry against the Amish in this thread. They aren't saints, true enough, but they take a lot of heat they don't deserve. You think the horse shoes wear the road? Really? So an 800 lbs horse does more damage than an 80K lbs truck? Horse puckey.
I live in a large Amish area and I'll tell you plain I'd a lot rather have more tax paying, quiet Amish in my area than more of what I've got- druggies, welfare mutts and townies that think my land is theirs to use as they please.
I live in a large Amish area and I'll tell you plain I'd a lot rather have more tax paying, quiet Amish in my area than more of what I've got- druggies, welfare mutts and townies that think my land is theirs to use as they please.
You've got it right Bret.And since the prisons have opened up here in Malone and the inmates "dependents" move in things aren't getting any better.I'm more then happy to see the Amish come in.Several small communities of them in the area but I think they are more spread out than in your area.
showcrop
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Hey Brett, lighten up a little, this is not like you. I see just one thread post with ignorant bigotry in it. My post on wear of the pavement was just an observation of something that I noticed that I thought remarkable because you would not think that it could happen. I would not think have thought that a 600 lb. lb snowmobile would wear the road, but you put a few thousand passes across a road and I'm sure that you know what happens. I would have taken a picture if I had thought that some one would not believe it, but I'm sure that if you stop and think for a moment that you would realize what a few thousand horse shoe strikes in a two foot wide path is going to do. There was a stretch on one road where the top course of pavement was worn right through probably a foot wide.
Well Brett, I suspect you either don't have all that large a population, they haven't been there that long, or you really aren't all that the close to them.
States, and municipalities all over this region are fighting the use of steel wheeled buggies and horse shoes on their roads. They absolutely do more damage than a loaded truck. Then you move on to steel wheeled tractors and implements and they'll destroy a road in a single season if they use it enough.
As to their moral character, they're no more of less human than the rest of us. Rest assured that down here where we have huge populations of Amish, their kids are just as liable to show up on the police reports for drug and alcohol abuse as any other english sect.
A little Google work just might open your eyes a bit as to the saintly impressions you have of your neighbors.
Anonymous-0
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Do they want to use your phone everyday? Want you to take them somewhere everyday? Want to hook up a garden hose to your well when their breaks, Then leave it hook up like that for a month or two till they get the parts to fix it? Want you to weld some junk up that is all rusted out and cover with horse chit? Want to use your POWER tools? I make My liveing transporting them, Some things about them I can respect, Other things they do, If they were English They would be in jail for.
No, they MIGHT want to use the phone 2-3 times a MONTH. The local "district" are not allowed to have "English" take them anywhere, unless it is an emergency, or just too far to take a buggy. They have Rural Water here (for the most part) because wells are pretty much not feasable. They do need things welded, but said parts are generally cleaned up, cut to size, and ready to go. They cannot use "power tools" - other than their own (shop tools run by diesel engines and line shaft) - unless they are working for someone. About 99% of them are more honest then most of the "English" around here. ANYTHING you do for them comes back to you either in the form of cash (more than enough to cover the job), and/or produce and other food goods.
They, in turn, are MORE then eager to help me build fence, build a shop, load stuff, etc, etc - without asking for pay - or come to my aid when I need help. Treat them like the neighbors they are, and they will treat you the same way. I can only speak of the ones local - a large community - and the ones in an even larger community 15 miles away (largest Amish community in Missouri).
We've been awakened at 0230 and asked to take a local Amish wife to the midwife - 20 miles away - and we are on "Baby Watch" to make a similar trip in the next week or two. Even if it is 0230 again, we won't mind, and won't charge them for it. We are MORE then happy to help.
All in all...we are GLAD to have them around - they make wonderful neighbors, and everyone can learn a LOT from them.
They, in turn, are MORE then eager to help me build fence, build a shop, load stuff, etc, etc - without asking for pay - or come to my aid when I need help. Treat them like the neighbors they are, and they will treat you the same way. I can only speak of the ones local - a large community - and the ones in an even larger community 15 miles away (largest Amish community in Missouri).
We've been awakened at 0230 and asked to take a local Amish wife to the midwife - 20 miles away - and we are on "Baby Watch" to make a similar trip in the next week or two. Even if it is 0230 again, we won't mind, and won't charge them for it. We are MORE then happy to help.
All in all...we are GLAD to have them around - they make wonderful neighbors, and everyone can learn a LOT from them.
I live in St Lawrence Co NY which I believe has the largest or one of the largest Amish populations in the state. They've been here since the late 70's, I got here in 95. I've been running the roads here in the middle of the population and I've seen very little in the way of damage to the roads other than the scuffing that leaves the "white marks" on the roads. I've had to arrest exactly 1 Amish man while I was working, but I did investigate several English on Amish rapes and one abduction of an Amish woman by an English guy. I've seen people treat the Amish like dirt, throw beer bottles at the buggies and hit people, scare Amish kids walking to school, pass as close to the buggies as they could as fast as they could and I've seen drunks kill Amish. I wasn't at the scene of one fatal, but it was reported to me that the County DA refused to pursue charges against the driver that killed an Amish kid because "Amish don't vote". You get a few years of that crap under your belt and every time you see some garbage about how bad the Amish tear up roads, while ignoring what the huge liquid manure trucks and tractors do, not to mention the 102K lbs trucks running the roads all day...well, you gotta call a spade a spade.
I also had to tell an Amish guy my daughter was not interested in him hanging around. I've had to chase them down for money owed me too. They aren't saints as I said, but like blacks, hispanics, gays, whites, indians and every other group you can think of there is good and bad. I have a LOT more trouble from English mutts on ATVs and in hot cars around me than Amish.
I also had to tell an Amish guy my daughter was not interested in him hanging around. I've had to chase them down for money owed me too. They aren't saints as I said, but like blacks, hispanics, gays, whites, indians and every other group you can think of there is good and bad. I have a LOT more trouble from English mutts on ATVs and in hot cars around me than Amish.
Anonymous-0
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Well I don't know why you Hate trucks as much as you do They Pay a ell of a lot more tax mony to be on that road than Amish buggies do. Sounds Like you need to put most all your English Neighbors In jail. I agree, Amish, English, blacks, Indians Don't matter, Always going to be some Askholes in the bunch, Just glad I don't live where you do. Amish have been liveing down here since the early 40.s
Well said.... A buggy and horse does not weigh
enough to do any real damage to a good road. If a
loose shoe will be "sucked right off the horse's
hoof" by "tar", then it ain't the horse's fault
(nor the guy who shod it). Those buggies also
don't tear up the road as much as those "tax
paying trucks". They might not pay vehicle tax -
but they pay all the other taxes (at least here in
Missouri).
They even pay taxes (at a rate of about 70%) for
schools they will never use and have ZERO
connection with - since they have their own.
enough to do any real damage to a good road. If a
loose shoe will be "sucked right off the horse's
hoof" by "tar", then it ain't the horse's fault
(nor the guy who shod it). Those buggies also
don't tear up the road as much as those "tax
paying trucks". They might not pay vehicle tax -
but they pay all the other taxes (at least here in
Missouri).
They even pay taxes (at a rate of about 70%) for
schools they will never use and have ZERO
connection with - since they have their own.
Anonymous-0
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Yep your right, The one that got suck off in the tar, I said it was a Cheap township road, Your also right about them paying about 70% school tax that they don't use I have done the same thing My whole working life since I don't have kids. The other shoe fell off on a GOOD road. I think you guys are getting the wrong idea about Me I don't Hate the Amish I;m around them ever day for at lease 4 hrs, Sometimes 48 hrs I see a lot of bad stuff And good stuff. But it dose tick Me off when I spend $300.00 for front tires and see the horse shoes laying on the road, Same as it ticks Me off when The scrap guys lose have their load on the way to the scrap yard.
A lot of times, the cause of the shoe coming off is weather related. A horse's hoof can act like wood - when it's "wet" the hoof keeps the nails nice and tight. If it dries out, the nails can work loose, and the shoe can come off. Yeah, them school taxes are a killer for everyone, but the Amish pay taxes for "English" schools they will never use, then have to come up with other money to finance their schools.
Anonymous-0
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Thanks didn't know that about the horse's hoof. The Amish around here have to pay the English school tax too, AND pay for their schools.
I don't "hate trucks", I just fail to see the sense in blaming the Amish for something they have very little to do with when it's the trucks and mother nature that are tearing up the roads. People need to open their eyes and look around before trying to pass off an idea that a buggy is doing any damage to a road. That's why the trucks have top pay so much to be on the road- because it's perfectly obvious it's the trucks, and in my area huge tractors and manure wagons, doing the damage.
showcrop
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Well Brett maybe I am all wet. My first post was that I noticed wear of the pavement, with no reference to trucks. It was most noticeable on a stretch of route 772, Newport Rd between Mascot and Leola. What I saw was a depression in the pavement, with roughness, running along the edge about three feet in from the edge of the pavement and about twenty inches wide. It was worn deepest in the middle, and as I said there were places where it had worn right through the top course of pavement. It has the appearance of a snowmobile trail crossing except that it runs along instead of across the road. You must have snowmobile trail crossings there in northern NY. I said nothing judgmental in my post or negative in my post. I stated nothing judgmental about the wear. I made no reference to wheels. I know that most buggies are now on composite wheels. I had enjoyable visits with some Amish while driving around and also while at the Threshermen's Reunion. I assure that I had my eyes wide open while driving and looking at these depressions worn into the pavement. So, since I must be wrong, since it appears that you have to be right, please tell me what is causing this pattern of wear along these roads.
Showcrop, I don't believe I have responded to a single thing you've posted here. I was responding to Rusted nuts and Ron/PA. FWIW, I have seen similar worn areas along the right edge of the road up where Amish rarely travel. I do note that a tractor and manure wagon traveling half in the road would put it's wheels just about where the rut was.
I'm sure that given enough time steel wheeled wagons could do a lot of damage to a road. I'm equally sure I'd have noticed the damage over the last 15 years. Our local roads up here are usually chip sealed every 5-7 years. Over that time there does not appear to be near the damage from steel wheeled buggies and wagons, much less horses, than there is from truck and tractor traffic. We just had this discussion at our last town board meeting and the same charges were made by some locals, oddly enough one of the locals being a BTO who breaks up the town road with his heavy tractors every year. IT was the same ignorant, bigoted charges about them doing all sorts of damage and not paying taxes, buying up the good land (an absolute lie! They buy the worst farms and bring them back.) and how they get oil money from "...the Bishops in Pa." even though our Amish are from Ohio and Ky. It's truly maddening to see the hate and bigotry that if aimed at a black or gay would result in lawsuits and maybe criminal charges.
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