ford 1910 what perkins engine?

just was told a 1910 ford has a perkins engine;what engine is it?

external_link says Shibura 1.7 liter 3 cyl.

Shibura/ISM. I'd love to know where this idea comes from the Ford ever used Perkins engines... other than a Perkins derivative in the Fordson Dexta's...

Rod

Was the person telling you this trying to sell you one??? LOL

They are an Shibura motor. A good little motor but just about impossible to get parts for now. Even the minor little stuff is hard to get and high priced.

I think NH does not even support much on the rest of the tractor either.

There where a lot of them around here. They seemed like a tough little tractor but if you have anything much go wrong, your in trouble.

I hit the net and there was a Perkins-Shibaura link,but it was mentioned in passing without elaborating.my source picked it up from a Ebay ad,go figure. would like to know more to win trivia bets.

I ran a Ford 1910 pulling a Land Pride FDR1672 for a few hours today. It has 4110 hours on it. I had to replace a few parts, but nothing major.

there are 2 different transmission options for that tractor. One is a standard transmission, without live power. The second is a 12 speed syncromesh transmission with a live pto and 2 stage clutch.

They have a lot of torque and don't burn much fuel at all. Lots of power, too. I pulled a New Idea 290 mower conditioner with mine, once. I won't do it again, but I just wanted to see how it would handle it. 9 feet of mower conditioner is a lot for 28 hp! LOL


Those tractors are nicely equipped, though. really nice 3 point hitch, long tongue swinging drawbar, single remote hydraulic valve, power steering, 4 wheel drive, comfortable controls(for the age of it)

Are you looking to buy one?

Ford used Shibaura engines in the rebadged Thomas skid steers as well. I think the engines may be based on Perkins design or built under license because I talked with a mechanic that worked on one and I believe he said he got parts from Perkins. It was a few years ago but I think it might have been a water pump he needed.

I'd think its fair to say there is no connection between IHI Shibaura and Perkins engines.If only our SE 4040 had a 3.152 engine rather than the 4 cylinder 2.3. As for refering to the Dexta/Super Dexta engine as Perkins derived, probably the best description.

Well actually.. A bit of trivia for you. The British Fordson E27N Major used the same engine basically as the old "Standard" Fordson, but it was a lot bigger tractor and many farmers complained it was underpowered so Ford offered an alternative power unit, a factory fitted Perkins P6 diesel engine.

I did check ebay and it looks like a lot of ads for starters claim ford perkins for the 1910.

I don't know what that is all about.


I do know that it is definitely a Japanese Shibura engine. Those things are hard starting when cold, you need to heat the glow plugs for a good 60 seconds and be patient, but, owning a Ford 1210 and 1910, and having been a Ford New Holland Tech in the late 1990's and having a father who sold Ford compact diesels from 1975 until 2008, I can tell you that I don't see a hint of Perkins in those motors.

I have set up from new and worked on the 10 and 20 series. from the 1110 to the 2110, and 1220 to 2120... I am not a complete Ford tech, because I was so young, and haven't touched a routine of wrenching for at least 10 years.

What I can say is that the components ARE very expensive now. If you have a 2110 and blow a rod through the block, it will cost you $10,000 for a new short block at least.

The best thing with those machines is that they can go 4000+ hours if you take good care of them and treat them good. The most I have seen on a ford shibura is 6500 hours. At that point, the rest of the machine is pretty tired and for a small $15,000 compact, you are better off to just buy a replacement.

It all comes down to cost analysis. I can find a low houred 2110 or 1910 for around $7500-9000 that was in good hands. Would I spend $3000 to repair one with 3000+ hours on the clock? heck no!


It's just a simple case of buyer beware.


take them all for what they are worth. I do it with every tractor. If I can get $10,000 of use from a $5000 machine, then I am making a profit. If I spend $20,000 and only can get $10,000 of work out of it, then I bought it for a loss.


The good tractors are the ones that make you money and don't owe you a thing when it is time to upgrade. If you can upgrade and keep the old and squeeze a few more jobs out of it, then you are doing ok. Resale value on a good used 1910 is around $5000 for one in working order. You see them listed for $9000 all the time. paying more than $6000 is crazy unless it was pampered home owner unit.

I use mine for field work to save fuel. I pull a 17 hole grain drill and all the very small tools. It saves me a lot of money.

ISM engines have been rebadged and sold as Perkins/Cat for years and years... but it's still an ISM engine. Cat used ISM engines, badged as Perkins in their skid loaders for quite some time although I don't know if they still do...

Rod