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gordy from Iowa

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I haul two old tractors on a flat bed trailer across state lines. Don't do any "for hire" business at all.

Trailer is pulled with a 3/4 ton pickup. Do I need a DOT number? Thanks for any info.
 
A flat bed bumper hitch is not a combination vehicle as a GN is considered. In my searching for information, I have come up with NO. But some states may not agree.
 
I've bought tractors out of state and hauled them across state lines.
I've taken some of mine to shows across state lines.
No one ever said I needed a DOT#.
No idea what the law says, but they never bothered me.
I haul them on a 20 ft deck-over bumper pull.
 
I don't know why anyone else would haul across state lines but I live in Ohio 14 mile from Michigan and two miles from Indiana. I was raised on a state line road which had Indiana on one side and Ohio and then Michigan on the other where my mother still lives. When I haul a tractor to my mothers I have to drive with the left side of the truck and trailer in Ohio and the right side in Indiana before I can turn into the Ohio drive. :)^D
 
Don't mater about state line if over 10,000 you need DOT number but being local might get by without it ???? I would play dumb if not hauling everday.
 
Only the green states require a DOT # for intrastate movement. You must cross a state line to need a DOT # in the grey states.
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Ive been to Wisc,MO,Neb,Colo,NM,ILL,Ks,OK,MO,ARK and all over IA with tandem axle 7,000 Gross never been stopped or nothing with my 150 Ford tractor never weigh over 2600.
 
I was told by two different DOT officials that if you are pulling a trailer you are automatically considered a "combination vehicle" and need a DOT number, especially if you are crossing state lines. It's not that hard to get one. Just go ahead and get it. No big deal. Mike
 
(quoted from post at 16:59:50 04/20/13) A flat bed bumper hitch is not a combination vehicle as a GN is considered.
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so what about my dumptruck and pup?????? gotta have a class A for that one..................






ive been to Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Wyoming, Utah, nevada, Idaho, California, Minnesota, Missouri, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, NY, and NJ with a 1 ton dually and a 30 foot 24K gooseneck and have NEVER been pulled over, weighed, or questioned and i DO NOT have a DOT number on my truck. Its licensed personal but i do carry enough tonnage on the tags to cover everything.

My Kenworth is even licensed private and have never been questioned about it

Ive doen enough commercial driving over the years to know that a DOT number is a giant screw with me sticker on your truck......
 
It all depends on whether YOU think you need a number. Then, if you should get checked, you will get the answer for the state you happen to be in.
 
(quoted from post at 20:42:44 04/20/13) Don't mater about state line if over 10,000 you need DOT number but being local might get by without it ???? I would play dumb if not hauling everday.
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This brings another question to my mind.
Over 10,000 GVW possible, or over GVW current?
My trailer is 14K GVWR possible, but you could tow it with
an S10 empty. That needs a DOT# ??
 
Then why when I haul tractors for myself with my truck do I have to cover the dot#'s and dart info with something that says "private coach, not for hire"?
 
Because that is Dart's DOT# not yours.

If you have a bussiness cutting hay and you haul the tractor and baler with your Dart truck. You will have to cover any Dart info and put your own info on the truck.
Being a private carrier does NOT exempt you from a DOT#. It does exempt you from having a ICC#.
Since Dart is a for hire carrier they need a DOT and ICC number.
A private carrier (person that only hauls his own stuff) only needs a DOT number.

Now if you haul your tractor and brush cutter to your brothers lot to cut it as a favor then you would be considered a private coach. But now you are walking a thin line because of the size of the truck. While it is legal to do this convincing a DOT officer that you are only cutting your brothers lot for free will be a chore.
 
The truck weight has nothing to do with a DOT# My buddy has one on his mini van. Yes he is for hire. The reason most of us do not get checked out is we do not stop for scales, and most Officers have better things to worry about than a farmer with working tail lights.
 
That is exactly what I said. Does not matter what size the vehicle is as long as its not conducting business. A semi will get you questioned, but not likely a pickup/trailer combo unless they start to see you regularly.
 
This would be the appropriate line in the regs for you.

(b) Equipment. A motor vehicle, straight truck, tractor, semitrailer, full trailer, any combination of these and any other type of equipment used by authorized carriers in the transportation of property for hire.

So the question is will you be for hire? And the dot includes transporting for resale or to conduct business as for hire. Anything under 10,000 lbs is exempt from dot regs even if for hire unless you are transporting passengers for hire.
 
Over 10000 you don"t need a dot # in pa. But its a good idea to have combination license on your truck for weight. Anything 26001 or more requires a cdl.
 
John in La is much more articulate on this stuff than I am but I'll take a stab. First off, it's not "for hire" that matters. For hire means nothing. What matters is do you have a vehicle or combination of vehicles with a GVWR or CGVRW of 10,001 lbs or more and ARE YOU IN COMMERCE! Not "for hire", but "in commerce". Farmers are in commerce but very few are for hire. Landscapers with an F150 with a GVWR of 6600 lbs and 5K GVWR trailer are in commerce and over the 10,001 lbs CGVWR. State laws vary, exemptions exist, but that is the basic qualifier for DOT numbers.

And for the guy with the minivan needing a DOT#, yup! You might need a DOT# on a motorcycle if you're hauling HazMat!
 
we just made a trip to Kinze from Il. ( I-80) the Iowa trooper who stopped our one ton pickup with a empty two axle car hauler & made us go back & weigh told us the following: over 10,00o# you need a dot#,medical card,flags flares, fire ext.,log book,etc. etc. his computer showed that we had a dot # in the farm name so just warning ticket was given!!
 
I was kinda told that it could happen by one of our YT members I call Barney that can issue the ticket.
 
Gordy if you are a farmer in Ia and within 150mi of home and not for hire you are exempt in Ia.Once you put a DOT # number on your vehicle the rules change [log books,med card,CDL license]are required.Farmers in Ia can haul their own grain with no CDL,med card,which doesnt really make sense but that is what they stated at a DOT meeting held at my nephews farm for farmers to help us know what we need to be legal.I have a 32ft. tandem gooseneck behind a diesel pickup that I haul with and have been pulled over and as soon as I say it is my equiptment and is farm related as long as it is properly secured they usually tell me I am within the rules.Now that the DOT is part of Hiway Patrol they are looking for revenue and have been really hard on the commercial truckers and elevators in our area.The one part of your question on crossing state lines will need to be checked out under that states rules.
 

Don't forget when filling out you log for an across stat lines trip to enter the part of the day prior to the start of the trip, and even the day before, to show your off duty time or you could be "out of hours" before you get to your destination.
 
Just bought a semi tractor to haul my farm equipment and was asking about does my CDL need combinations on it. The DOT man said for me to throw my commercial CDL away and get a non-commercial CDL. Would save me a lot of headaches. Never said a word about a DOT number. Think it would be a lot easier for him if he stopped me.
 

"and even the day before, to show your off duty time" ...........

If you are going to run a log book, you have to have the previous 8 days logged and with you, even if they are "off duty".
 
Gordy said "Going to tractor shows such as Red Power Roundup"

Legally you are OK without a DOT number if all you do is go to shows; you do not have any sponsors and you do not try to claim this tractor on your taxes.
But that does not mean you will not be harassed by gung ho DOT cops. Look at the link S2710 gave you.

If you do other things with this truck and trailer then that may be a whole new can of worms. In state; out of state means nothing to you because Iowa requires intrastate trucks to have DOT #'s
 
I worked for a Firm in Wisconsin, we had a crew of millwrights putting in equipment in Kansas and Iowa to allow us to collect raw material from an animal slaughter plant. Our crews were traveling in Ford F-350 crew cabs. Coming into Wisconsin from Minnesota we got ticketed for no DOT numbers and no medical cards for the drivers. Somedays you got to see which way the winds blowing to figure out what's legal and what's not
 
Lots of wrong information here. 10001 lbs is NOT a deciding factor in making you commercial, there is no such thing as a NON Commercial CDL, and many cops don"t even know what the law is. There is a stipulation are you Private or Commercial. You are allowed an exemption from commercial regulation for occasional transport of personal property provided you"re not hauling something like a tractor to do work for hire, you"re not going to a show where you can win prize money or other compensation, you don"t have a sponsor paying any or all expenses, you"re not advertising your restoration abilities for hire, and your tractor activities are purely a hobby. When you cross a state line, you now come under the heading of Interstate Commerce in which Federal Regs apply. The commercial/private stipulation still applies.
Your best bet would be to call motor carrier enforcement in Ankeny to get the exact particulars, and get a copy of 49 CFR to carry with you to prove your exempt status on the side of the road.
 
Brian, a vehicle in commerce not hauling placardable amounts of Haz Mat with a GVWR or CGVWR under 10,001 lbs is not a CMV and therefore wouldn't fall under FMCSA regs. I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but you assertion is incorrect as I understand it. Poorly worded maybe?

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=390.5

Commercial motor vehicle means any self-propelled or towed motor vehicle used on a highway in interstate commerce to transport passengers or property when the vehicle— (1) Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating, or gross vehicle weight or gross combination weight, of 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) or more, whichever is greater; or(2) Is designed or used to transport more than 8 passengers (including the driver) for compensation; or(3) Is designed or used to transport more than 15 passengers, including the driver, and is not used to transport passengers for compensation; or(4) Is used in transporting material found by the Secretary of Transportation to be hazardous under 49 U.S.C. 5103 and transported in a quantity requiring placarding under regulations prescribed by the Secretary under 49 CFR, subtitle B, chapter I, subchapter C.
 
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