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sorta OT:stupidity reins again...

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ben there

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read the news,seems our beloved dept homeland security is raisin he!! about the West Fertilizer plant not disclosing it had more than 400# of ammonium nitrate on hand...well DUH!!! i'd think it more suspicious if a fertilizer company didnt have more AN than that.
 
I work at a fertilizer dealership in eastern Ia. and after 911 you can not believe the amount of calls we got pertaining to ammonium nitrate. So much so that we notified the county Sheriff. Some were obvious when all was wanted was an amount to spread by themselves on a few acres of pasture, corn, hay etc. Some wanted plastic buckets of the stuff. Obviously not farmers and to this day I don"t know if the calls came from the government, or nuts. Not so much phone traffic after Oklahoma tho.
 
There might have been a Mythbusters influence, they made blowing things up hot.......

Paul
 
Reminds me of the news crew in New Jersey that set out to prove how easy it was to get Ammonium nitrate for bomb making after Oklahoma City.

The first dealer they went to refused to sell them any; before they got to the second one they were pulled over by the cops, who had been called by the dealer.

I don"t know if this video has been posted here before but it gives a good idea of how dangerous that stuff can be, kinda scary video:
Fertilizer plant blast
 
i don't think it needs any diesel,then again i don't know for sure...pretty sure when the Grandcamp blew up in Texas City back in '47 it was just heat that set off her load of AN.
 
I thought I read that they reported it to the Feds but not the state,
or maybe vice versa?
Either way, this was a tragic mishap.
DHS and more paperwork won't fix it.
 
Thought I heard somewhere that the explosion was caused by water being sprayed on the Anhydrous Ammonia they had stored there that wasn't actually supposed to have been. Firefighter tried putting out the fire and sprayed in the wrong place.
 
Yes, AN and diesel fuel mixed together, are a bomb, with the right ignitor. (Me? ex Army Special Forces A-Team Demo sgt.) Spraying water on AN? Causing an explosion? NO. Crap, I had to crumble 2/3 of a box of decaying dynamite, underwater, to neutralize it....so no neighborhood kids would find it, play with it, and explode it, in that unstable condition. Oil was seeping thru the cardboard tubes, it was that unstable. HQ could have sent me some C4 and a cap, but said to find a nearby creek and crumble it...........with no one nearby! (walk cautiously....slowly...don"t freaking stumble!)
 
No diesel needed- we used to blow stumps with it when I was a kid- dig a hole in under the stump, pour it in and tamp it a bit, put in a blasting cap and fuse, cover with dirt, light fuse and get away. Went off with a "whump" rather than a sharp bang, and worked really well for splitting the stump so you could pull out the pieces.
 
(quoted from post at 20:28:11 04/20/13) Yes, AN and diesel fuel mixed together, are a bomb, with the right ignitor. (Me? ex Army Special Forces A-Team Demo sgt.) Spraying water on AN? Causing an explosion? NO. Crap, I had to crumble 2/3 of a box of decaying dynamite, underwater, to neutralize it....so no neighborhood kids would find it, play with it, and explode it, in that unstable condition. Oil was seeping thru the cardboard tubes, it was that unstable. HQ could have sent me some C4 and a cap, but said to find a nearby creek and crumble it...........with no one nearby! (walk cautiously....slowly...don"t freaking stumble!)
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I grew up with dynamite and blasting caps around. Fortunately we didn't have the batteries, LOL. Thinking back now I can't figure why none of the neighborhood gang ever came up with a battery. When my father finally decided that he was not going to use it he just tossed it on a brush fire that he had going.
 
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