Trucking question

I"ve been debating on buying a large dump truck to make money in the summer.. I"m a teacher and would like to make some extra money in the summer months.. I would work on tractors to sell but everyone I bring home stays.. There is always a ton of road construction around in the summer and I see tons of dumps hauling asphalt is it practical to buy a set up and try to get into hauling? I would assume the company"s selling the asphalt would contract out the hauls? Any input would be appreciated..
 
SAVE YOUR MONEY get a job just driving for others you will make more considering license taxes insurance and return on investment
 
Road construction work is the absolute lowest form of desperation work available for a truck around here. There's always more trucks around than are needed so they won't pay squat... they pay by the loaded mile/ton... they're absolutely foolish about making sure you aren't overweight to the point that you'd have to lighten up if you are 100 # over... and they make a habit at the pit of running their loaders at their most efficient at YOUR expense by making you wait.... and wait.... and wait.
It's just a recipe to lose money if you own a truck.
Most guys take it as fill in work when there's nothing else.

Rod
 
as other stated, between fuel, liences, taxes, maintance, for that short peroid of time,, i work for a paving company , the contractor we use, sit waiting for loads, paid per load, working 10-14 hrs a day, same as gravel haulers,,, find a job driving for some one that you work and go home at after 8-10 hrs. not worring about the truck..my opnion...
 
The teachers I know are contractors in the summer, roofers, garages, room additions. One guy hired students and would build a turn key house each summer.

Air conditioning work is a nice side line to get into if you want summer work. HVAC business are having a hard time finding qualified people.

I would buy homes next to my house, fix them up and then rent them out. This allowed me to take early retirement at 55. I think this was better than flipping houses.
 
I don't think its feasible for a few months. You need to get in with a good contractor, who has overflow of work or does not have enough trucks and needs to hire out.

The acquisition cost of a decent late model or new truck will be significant. You do not want to play this game with old troublesome equipment.

If you could establish the following it may be possible.

Late model truck, finance or bought outright.

Backlog of work before doing the above.

Insurance, tags, inspection, spare tires and a place to service the truck or hire it out, all overhead costs.

Realize accidents, breakdowns, getting stuck, and all other things considered are high risk, it happens often, and it comes out of any profit you have. Fuel, taxes, road use/overweight permits and whatever else, IFTA and all the rest.

Theres more than the above, to consider seriously.

Now, if you were able to obtain late model equipment, there is enough work every season and it changes with the economy, you may be able to stay with it, but you had best be prepared because it can be marginal profit with high risk. You would be best to find a contractor that you can build a reputation with, offer delivery from local quarries, asphalt plants, sand and gravel pits etc. as alternate work say for the public for when you don't have work. You should have a back up driver, and likely would need one for the off months to keep the truck working, trucks that sit do not make any money, but may still have a high payment to make.

Drivers-- good luck with that, you need to find a seasoned driver that does not abuse equipment, knows the limitations, knows where not to drive or raise that body, one that is not in the bars til 4 hours before the work starts and all the rest. I worked in the site work field a long time and I did drive tri-axle dump, tandem dump, single axle dump and lowboy moving large equipment as well as loading out trucks from quarries, sand and gravel pits, I have seen my fair share of bad drivers and some of the dumbest things done with trucks that cost an owner, as well as my own mistakes early on, I still have a CDL A and current D.O.T. medical card, as I was doing some part time driving, and will tell you again, finding a good driver and being able to pay that person enough is not going to be easy. You can't put a novice in a truck and send them to busy jobsites, learning how to back up to a hopper of a paver or loading from an asphalt plant, asphalt silo or to a site job, that person has to be experienced or it will cost you.

I have friends who have made it in trucking, own a dozen of each, tractor trailers and tri-axles, in the beginning it was just them and they had to work very hard to keep up and get with the larger contractors to stay busy, which is dependent on the work going on, that can dry right up and put you right under. This is one of those things that until you try it, you won't know what you are up against, until you get some miles under your belt as an owner operator, there is a certain threshold of equipment you need to meet, don't forget law enforcement, over weight tickets, truck inspection violations are very costly and can shut you down instantly. I ended up hating driving truck because every darned time I turned around I had a cop on my @ss, and it was always something, and it can put you at odds with who you drive for and all other kinds of crap a person just does not need. I've had my license suspended from one outfit that did not pay the fine for not having a current inspection, then got nailed on it when working for the next, as I never received any notice, because they do not forward mail from DMV if you move. It was great, 6 darned tickets, one was aggravated unlicensement, they threatened to arrest me right there, I talked them into stopping at an ATM, got out of that, went to the court paid a fine that was not mine to pay, then visited the jerk who did not pay it, got told tough luck about being compensated, I wanted to pick him up by the throat, over $100, and that may not seem much but in those days, given the pay, it was the difference of being able to put food on the table and there were times I had none, thats no lie, those days sucked big time.

The other thing, its a rat race, back and forth you had best get to that plant damn early, and your truck had best be able to get up hill and not get passed, on longer hauls I would get bumped back and by the end of the day, I would get knocked off, so that last load which was profit, I did not get, the difference was my Freightliner, had a 315 Cummins, and the other guys had 425HP CAT's, pass me loaded on a hill, now I am one truck further back, so getting up at 1am, to get to the silo 80 miles away at 4 am to be in the first round out, still was not worth it, I needed 4 loads per day on that job and sometimes got 3 just because of that. I had to haul 29-30 ton on this truck to make money, thankfully the troopers were cooperative, road was badly needed to be completed and they stopped many of us as a courtesy to inform us, that you keep those mudflaps on, obey the speed, keep it tarped properly, stay on route and off any weight restricted bridges, we won't be breaking out the portable scales, well unless someone was being stupid I am sure, we did everything they asked, but that was one job, others I worked for 3 different outfits and got pulled over by the same trooper in 3 different areas around here, just could never shake law enforecment, + the monotonous back and forth how many times a day, stuck in a "doghouse" eat on the run, no time to stop, even to relieve ones self, then having issues with soap to keep the asphalt from sticking, because dumb@sses would pour and let diesel puddle in the large dents in the dump body, it was outlawed, ruins the material, vs we used to mist the bed with a sprayer every other load or every load. Aggravating as heck at times I can tell you, then get that flat or a nice round rock between the tires, blow an air can in a bad spot or blow a steering axle tire, and have it go off like a grenade, fender gone, battery box gone, split ring so far into the woods you'll never find it and you got 29 ton on the back, or have a steering axle brake cam over and jam on, flat spot a brand new virgin tire, the list goes on and on, you'll need cash on hand and be prepared or that risk might become reality, its not any easy business to get started in, not impossible but there is never a dull moment, or in my experience with it.
 
Did that for a living till my doctor said you are retired and that was that.
You need to figure the cost of the truck the cost of the fuel, a dump truck if lucky gets 6 MPG. Cost of insurance which can be well over $2500 per year. Then the cost of up keep and that too is not cheap. Then to get the jobs you almost have to sign up with a trucking company to get any of the real jobs. BTDT and still have my dump truck
 
George I sure had a few of those kids where we taught that would have liked to flipped over into the wabash river. Comming in at midyear for a teacher that could not handle her class was a trip!!
 
I just had 20 ton of gravel delivered to my place, and he charged 65 bucks.Probably 30 miles of driving from his house to the pit and back.Doesn't look to profitable to me.
 
You wouldn't get much or even none at that rate Old.$3 to $5 per ton is top rate for local gravel hauling.30-40 mile 1 way.
 
Funny when I was driving I got $150 per load all day long and that was back in 2000 and I know it has gone up since. Talked to some one just a few days ago and they said it cost them $265 for one load of gravel but do not know how many yards that was
 
Bill, that was a life time ago.

See you are selling an AC with a backward loader. Were you not able to figure out which way to mount it? Think it can lift a round bale?

George
 
would need better pump to use for bales. Has char-lynn pto pump now and is weak. I would think a mag timming gear pump would be best. However the pto now gives full time hyd as per AC hand clutch. Call for the old friend discount!!!!
 
I can only scale a little over 16T,but I'am getting 28-30T loads hauled for less then $100,so letting someone else do it unless I need a quick load.
 
I can read this one time and for sure you have been there done that.. Good explanation of the way it goes.
 
JohnDeer My input find ANYTHING else to do that you can. Got to be something better than buying a truck. Independent owner operator dump truck drivers hunting what we call day work are just at the mercy of the contractors. The glut of trucks has not caught up with the decline in work. You will find yourself working of nothing.
 
Old, the gravel is billed from the pit and the hauling is billed buy the trucker, so the gravel is not included, only hauling.
 
Sorry I am a former dump truck driver and I payed for the gravel my self and then charged for it and the trucking of it. Do not know how it is done in your area but that is how it is done where I am. I still have that truck and a few others
 

I had a triaxle for two years starting in the fall of'05. I did OK at first. A friend put me on 2-5 days per week where he worked, getting top dollar. I got day work from a bunch of other small contractors that I knew or got referred to. Most of them liked to have some one that they could send somewhere to load themselves with loader, tractor, excavator, whatever happened to be there. I also did a lot of buying and selling material. That was good for in the winter to fill in. I supplied different towns with winter sand for their roads. Then in "07 construction came to a stop so I sold the truck. There is just one very basic rule to buying anything like a truck. Don't buy it unless you need it. In other words have the work lined up before you spend any money.
 
The 65 was just for trucking.The gravel was 152 dollars. 411 limestone with the fines.It packs like cement after a few rains.
 
From what Ray has posted I am about 30 miles from him. And some places will do like you did and others do it the other way.
 
You just said it yourself Old,you charged for the trucking,that is what everyone was talking about Trucking charge not the gravel charge or total charge.
 

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