Teach me about the chisel plow.

641Dave · Mar 14, 2013

After getting a good lesson on disc plows from you guys a few months back, I've been on the look out for one at a fair price...(and when I say fair price I mean fair to me and pretty much robbing the seller)...anyway, with my 641 Workmaster I've discovered that in my fine sandy loam, I can bust the ground up easily with my two bottom Ferguson plow and I was able to drop the shanks on my box blade to level everything out and create a seed bed.

I've realized pretty much all I need is a chisel plow. I can find them allot cheaper and it looks like I could configure the shanks to do some crop dressing between rows until any vegetables grow tall enough to meet my red belly.

So, here's my questions. When it comes to chisel plows, is there any particular type better than the others? I see some older ones that have springs on the shanks while some of the modern ones look like curved leaf springs. How many shanks should I limit the plow to for a 641 to pull smoothly. I'm in fine sandy loam and just using it to dress up the ground thats already been broken. The 5 shanks on my box blade did good, but of course clogged up on the two outside tines that are closest to the box.

Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

paul · Mar 14, 2013

A real chisel plow takes 25 or more hp per shank to do its job.
You'd have a hard time pulling a 2 shank....

I think you might be looking at the older Dearborn type
implement, which is sort of a heavy field cultivator? You can
drop shanks off to make row cultivator out of it, and so on.

I have a 9 shank unit of that, and it would be just right for your
tractor. Many holes in the frame, you can configure as you
want.

Paul

641Dave · Mar 14, 2013

Paul, do you have a picture reference to what your talking about?

Here's something I found that looked like it would suit me fine...but then again, I figured I'd run it buy you folks first.

DeltaRed · Mar 14, 2013

Dave,the machine pictured is a one row rowcrop
'cultivator'.The kind you would find at TSC or other
suburban 'farm' store.A 6 ft field cultivator/chisel
plow would be plenty for your little tractor.

JMOR · Mar 14, 2013

(quoted from post at 10:35:11 03/14/13) Paul, do you have a picture reference to what your talking about?

Here's something I found that looked like it would suit me fine...but then again, I figured I'd run it buy you folks first.

'd put that more in the 'cultivator' category, as compared to my Hamey 9 chisel plow. I'm north-north -east of you in sandy loam and had to remove 4 of the nine to pull with my 44hp IH & it may still be killing my tractor! Exactly like this one!
https://dallas.noticekiosk.com/notice/39322

Dave Sherburne NY · Mar 14, 2013

Here's what you need. I don't know what it's called and no idea where you could fine one.

Fergie Fotos

641Dave · Mar 14, 2013

Okay, so a one row cultivator is just that...made for one row. The one I pictures must be best used for weeding between rows.

Looks like the larger ones you guys are referring to would be even more durable and more optional considering ability to change shank placement and I suppose configurations.

Okay, I think I'm getting it.

Leroy · Mar 14, 2013

What you would need for that tractor is what Ferguson called a tiller built from I believe 1939 for the 9N ford but may have been built earlier for the Fordson. 9 shank is 7' wide and most popular, they used the same frame as the 2 row cultivators. That will put a load on your Ford but they were made to work with the 23 HP 9N and yours is a 37 HP tractor. There also was a Dearborn version sold and I think an aftermarket company still makes a version of it. But you can only in no trash situations run about 7" deep at maximun due to frame clearance. You could run a spike type of tooth but you could also put on a sweep from a John Deere CC series field cultivator (the only one with matching holes). Like in the picture of that Ferguson unit would work good but have never seen one but I have the tiller version. And it did give me a load with a 60HP (tested) Ford 4000 tractor. That Ford would only pull a 5 shank chisel 3 point mounter set on 12" shank spacing and covering only a 5' width. Pulled 7 shanks with a 5000 but that was not in hard ground.

55 50 Ron · Mar 14, 2013

Hamey??? That sure looks like a Graham Hoeme to me. Where I grew up farmers sometimes called them Hameys as a slang name, but it's incorrect!!

JMOR · Mar 14, 2013

(quoted from post at 11:29:57 03/14/13) Hamey??? That sure looks like a Graham Hoeme to me. Where I grew up farmers sometimes called them Hameys as a slang name, but it's incorrect!!

Ever learn about phonetics? :lol:

641Dave · Mar 14, 2013

What about this Mohawk here? I can see the advantage of a tall shank for going over the crop.

I suppose I'd have to buy the sweeps.

What should I pay for something like this?

James Howell · Mar 14, 2013

We use a spring tooth chisel plow with 5 shanks to help prepare seedbeds.

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We use a 52 Model A and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPZqbgI8C2M&feature=share&list=UU4gFuJx6qHbiK0FRREh2lDw">53 Model 70 to pull the chisel plow</a>.

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The 52 Model A has 34 HP at the drawbar; the 53 Model 70 has 44 HP at the drawbar.

The chisel plow works really good in the sandy loam here on our farm in NE Texas.

Doug in IL · Mar 14, 2013

We went to church years ago with some of the Hoeme family. I can assure you the name is pronounced as "hayme"

Anonymous-0 · Mar 14, 2013

Those pictures look like cultivators. I always thought a chisel plow was a heavier duty, deeper tillage implement than a culitivator.

donjr · Mar 14, 2013

Dave, the Mowhawk you're looking at is what we call a chisel plow around here. The others are pictures of what we call cultivators, made for working soil that's a;ready loose. Your 641 should pull that plow, but it might be a bit big in some conditions. They do a decent job of turning ground and breaking up hardpan if run deep enough, but we also call them rock finders for good reason. They will also penetrate harder ground than a moldboard plow, but won't cover trash as well, nor give you a weed kill like a moldboard. One that size (5 shanks) around here brings $3-500.

JMOR · Mar 14, 2013

(quoted from post at 19:16:38 03/14/13) Dave, the Mowhawk you're looking at is what we call a chisel plow around here. The others are pictures of what we call cultivators, made for working soil that's a;ready loose. Your 641 should pull that plow, but it might be a bit big in some conditions. They do a decent job of turning ground and breaking up hardpan if run deep enough, but we also call them rock finders for good reason. They will also penetrate harder ground than a moldboard plow, but won't cover trash as well, nor give you a weed kill like a moldboard. One that size (5 shanks) around here brings $3-500.

...." You do know that Fred Hoeme, from the Oklahoma dust bowl, invented this plow for the purpose of erosion control. Meant to leave "trash" or some material to catch the blowing soil. "The plains saver plow".

DoubleR · Mar 14, 2013

A real chisel plow will take 25-30 hp. per shank to do a good job. You need one like James Howell has pictured for a tractor like yours. Those cultivators that are shown hear will just bend the shanks in hard soil. You need to have the shank spring loaded or they will just bend or break something in hard ground. You don't have to ask me how I know.
I only have 40 some horse in my biggest tractor and I use one like James has. I still have to plow sometimes if I have allot of trash to work in. Mine was a 9 tooth but was way to much and I got it down to 5 teeth which I think will be plenty for your tractor. Those small jobs like James are pretty common to find, at least in my area.

Hobo,NC · Mar 14, 2013

If I could only own one plow its in this link
"All purpose cultivator"

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641Dave · Mar 15, 2013

You folks don't know how much I appreciate y'all!

Thank you!

Anonymous-0 · Mar 15, 2013

sure would hate to do a couple thousand with one like these!

Texasmark1 · Mar 16, 2013

I have a 7 shank Hoeme and it is a dream. I think the factory was in Amarillo, TX.

What I like about it is that the tongue is long enough that you can get the plow to work this black gunbo (when wet) when dry and it just hangs in there. It is not spring loaded; it has shear pins and I like that because it is forced to dig, not give way when doing it's jub.

I have tried the kind you see pictured by Mr. Howell, but he is in sandy loam and I'm not and they just bounce across the ground due to no tongue here. However, for cultivation of already plowed soil they will work here.

I don't have sweeps on it, I have chisels, about 2" wide and bury them around 6 -8" when the soil is right. It gets below the hard pan built up by discing and cultivators (sweeps on another plow) cultivating. I pull it with a 57 PTO tractor in mid gear and reduced rpm. I don't pull it fast as I want to give the soil time to work for me, not against me.

I leave the soil dug up through the winter to pulverize it and to capture any rain available.

I personally don't think they would do much good in sand as I'd assume you have no hardpan to breakup.

Mark

Texasmark1 · Mar 16, 2013

Down here we would call that a subsoiler. I saw one once hooked up to a 100 horse White sporting duals. It only had 3 shanks but they were about 2-3' long and about 3/4" thick. It would smoke the White. It was used to break through the plow pan that we get here in black dirt which is just like a pan sealing the soil below where it is normally cultivated. You break it up to get moisture to penetrate.

Mark

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