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Before I leave I just wanted to ask the Adirondack Case guy what model Case was similar to the Oliver super 88 Diesel....,,,and hear him plead his Case,,,,,but I think he may have a sad Case.......... See ya later... Larry
 
Well early in the super 88 years would be the 400 diesel, then the 400 super diesel. They would certainly pull anything the super 88 would. Later the 700/800 would be the competitive models in case. The 800 for sure would be much more tractor than the 88.
 
Larry,
Trying to get even, Hey? LOL. Jon filled in the details very well. At least you picked a reall tractor like an Oliver, rather than a Ford. HeHe. (This ought to get some chatter in the channel) Catch you later.
Loren, the Acg.
 
Case also had a standard Cat1 3pt., which Oliver never offered themselves, on the 88s. We always sold 400-7/800s with 4x14 semi mounted plows.
Loren, the Acg
 
He should have stayed with the regular 88 which would have forced us to compare with the dc, that would have been bad for us. lol
 
Larry, the 400 case makes less power than a super 88 and a little more than a super 77. Nebraska test#527, Oliver super 88 max. belt 54.88, test# 565 case 400 max belt 49.4 and test# 543 super 77 max belt 44.05. I think you also good order super 88 with a 3-point. Chuck
 
And here I thought you were going to ask just how big a CASE you need to bury that Oliver in :shock:

Rick :twisted:
 
You need to compare the Super 400 which had a 267cu.in. engine rather than the older version with the 251 that only turned 1450rpms. The latter with more displacement was spead up to a whooping 1950rpms. also. The 400's also had 8spd. trannys, which gave them more gears in the tillage range. Case in 59 also offered the small frame 400B from the Rock Island plant which had a 157 cu.in. Continental Diesel, or 148 Case gas engine. A bit confuseing to someone not familiar with Case. The Big 400s had a trans. shifting patern very similar to the Olies with a single lever and "stacked" ranges.
Loren, the Acg.
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Ya,but by 59 the 880 with the helical gear transmission,choice of 3 point or power traction hitch and power booster which gave 12 speeds forward and 4 reverse had come out leaving Case in the dust again. :)
 
Boy,it's a good thing neither of us is a Deere guy arguing in their favor ain't it. It would get real ugly! ROFLMAO
 
As Tom mentioned the "800" and the transmission,it was out in 1958,my Dad did 52 demonstrations that year,every tractor model was in the field with the "800",they loved the Caseomatic transmission Tom described
My Dad told me that over the years,he sold everyone one of those 52 prospects,Case tractors
 
I agree Jon,Oliver had some great tractors,and Case was really behind pre 1955
 

Another Case item you should look at Larry is.....one big enough to plant that Oliver! :lol:

One of the TLB's like a 580 should do the job..ROLF..

Oh by the way while I wouldn't mind owning a Case I don't......just felt the need to mess with you a bit.


Rick
 
Randy,
You be wrong on tranny speeds. The Case 800 had a Torque Converter trans which offered infinate speed from max for each gear, to stall in each of the 8 speeds with PTO priority which matched ground speed to PTO load automacically. Torque converter output multiplied by 3.14 X from flywheel input (engine torque) to Tranny input (Converter torque output.) Didn't need to stop and shift to get through those tough spots, thus no clutching and shifting. Also there was a hyd lockup to eliminate the converter when loads were reduced. The Olie under drive was limited to two speeds in each gear. so the Case 800s were waving byby to the 880s when powering choppers, etc., on hilly ground like ours where just one gear change was not enough, in the high Rs low torque Olies. Probably why Oliver went to the over/under hydra drive, to keep up with the Cases.
Smile , Loren, the Acg.
 
Just for the record,the Adirondak Cae guy started this! lol He made fun of my neighbors Oliver,the one I have posted many,many ,pictures of it still hard at work,I never had a Case or knew many people that had them(except for backhoes) But I just couldnt sit there and take it without taking a stab at him! It sure was great to get a free education on Case tractors! lol
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my 800 gets hooked up to the 489 nh haybine and stays married to it all summer .it does well on fuel , but the governor is not as snappy as it should be ,, . to be honest i think a 88 diesel has more umphhh than my 800 ..,.. the 301 ci 830 will put up a good fite with a 88
 
Chuck,
I always liked those little Olie 55's and 550's. They were almost as good as a Case 300 12spd. HeHe It's been a fun thread
Loren, the Acg..
 
Just a final note on the Case verses Oliver thread. CASE, who bought out David Brown,Davis, Drott and IH is at the forefront of the Fiat USA CNH Branded equipment is alive and well. When did the Oliver name die.?
Just busting guys, don't get your boxers pulled up above your belly button caus you will look like one of those -----kids walking the streets.
Loren, the Acg.
 
Loren, I don't think any new tractors are called case today, so lets say the case and Oliver names are kind of sleeping. I can still order new parts for my olivers from, agco.have a good night, Chuck PS I like how you address who you are speaking to on the forum and giving your name at the end. it sure would be nice if everyone would do that.
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I'm a Case man, but I wouldn't turn my nose up at a nice Ollie. The 1655 always seemed like a real nice tractor to me, as did all the 55 series.
 
Chuck,
The new CNH tractors are proudly labeled with the CASE name and the Case eagle is even bolder now. Rather than sitting on the world, he is in flight carrying the world. You will have to check out the new Case grafics especially on the Industrial equipment.
Loren, the Acg.
 
Bret,
Our biggest competition came from the local Oliver Dealer. When they came out with their MFA tractors, there was knowone who could compete. I am still good friends with them. The sorry part is that when we get together lately, it seems to be at the funeral home to pay our respects to the family of a mutual customer.
Loren, the Acg.
 
When I was a kid in NJ we hunted over most of the state. I saw three brands of tractor out there that I can remember. The small truck farms had the small Farmalls, As, Bs, Cs, and cubs, Ford Ns and NAAs and the bigger farms were using Oliver. I never saw a JD or AC bigger than a garden tractor or a row crop in JD, IH or AC untill we moved to MN in 71. Never even knew about MM or some of the others till then.

Would not mind having a 55 series. Even in CASEIH/NH and JD country you never see one on the market for very long unless it's in pretty bad shape. They got a good rep. The MM's get snapped up by collectors, never see em in the fields but you do see Ollies out there every so often.

Rick
 
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