90 horsepower turbo diesel. New pistons, rings, liners, bearings(main and rod), lifters, valves, springs, seats and all machine shop service. Plus injection pump service and testing of nozzles and a brand new(not reman) turbocharger. Also fixed all lights, new temp and oil pressure gauge and repaired dash wiring and new hydraulic oil and filter. Dynos at 98.4 horsepower. All parts including filters and fluids plus labor, the bill comes to about 4900.00$ Whats your thoughts on that?
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Anonymous-0
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That sounds pretty low to me.
Cliff Nelson
Well-known Member
That sounds like a good deal. Don't know if I could do it for that without knowing what it is.
Well I thought that was pretty cheap myself. The original estimate was just for the engine before we knew it needed a turbo was between 2500 and 3500 depending on what it needed. As the job went on, the guy stopped in about every other day adding more things to fix. So we fixed what he wanted fixed making him full well aware that it was going to be added to the bill. He stops in to pick it up and goes nuts over the bill. I am getting sick of this crap. Every guy that comes in expects me do this stuff for free I guess. I left a dealership to offer this service at a 40$ per hour labor and apparently that's still too much. I will be closing the doors. I am so sick of listening to the whining as if they are the only ones with bills to pay. From now on they can go to the cobblers or pay the 80 plus dealer rates.
to cheap, that job should have been closer to 8 or 9000.00 you will be broke and mentally exhausted after so many years if you continue your 40.00 hourly rate , I've been in it 35 years and and still have 25 more if I live that long and this is what I do now I ask the customer how much He is willing to spend and with that information I either start a job or send them on their way .
tomstractorsandtoys1
Member
Dealer told me may years ago 4 cylinder $4000 and a six $6000 that was for an inframe with no extras.With the turbo and all the other stuff you did I think he should be very satisfied.You even told him upfront not to fix it.What tractor that size could he buy with a new motor for that price and the value of his tractor before it was fixed?He should be happy.
Jake in NY
Member
Back in 2007, we rebuilt the 6 cyl diesel motor in our Oliver 1650 and rebuilt the fuel pump. Total bill was $7200 - $6k for the motor and $1200 for the pump, which is what we were quoted. Job was done well so no complaints. Sounds like your customer got a good deal.
Problem is, he probably had a $3000 bill in his head and freaked when it came to more. Hopefully the guy does a little homework to compare your price to what he would have paid elsewhere and realizes he did well.
Jake
Problem is, he probably had a $3000 bill in his head and freaked when it came to more. Hopefully the guy does a little homework to compare your price to what he would have paid elsewhere and realizes he did well.
Jake
Adirondack case guy
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Something is fishy here! the most powerful turboed DB was a 1410 @80 PTO HP. The 1490/94s were cut back to 70 HP. The 1690 NA 6cyl was rated at 90HP. Things arn't adding up.
Loren, the Acg.
Loren, the Acg.
Clodbuster
Member
Sorry the customer freaked out. It is always a shock to get a large bill for a repair but for all the work you did and parts you needed, that was a fair price. The last couple of years I have been putting big numbers into some older tractors but over the many years of use it will average out okay.
It is a very hard job to be a shop owner and you need to cover overhead and taxes too.
It is a very hard job to be a shop owner and you need to cover overhead and taxes too.
retired farmer
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Sounds pretty cheap. Better charge eighty to one hundred dollars an hour and double the price on the parts. That is what car dealers here in Fort Collins do.
Bad customers is part of owning a business. $40 per hour is too low for an experienced mechanic with his own shop. Your previous employer probably billed you out at 3 or more times your hourly wage. If you do good work and have a good reputation you will still have plenty of work at $60 to $75 per hour.
Craig Tenhoff
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Just last week a I was talking to a marine engine mechanic that used to work for a Large Dealer in St Cloud, MN. We were talking shop rates and such.
The "Big Dealer" was charging a shop rate of $119.00 an hour
WOW! Fun Time = Money!
The "Big Dealer" was charging a shop rate of $119.00 an hour
WOW! Fun Time = Money!
Gambles
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If it was done correctly, you got by cheap.
I have a local machine shop that charged me $50 just to tell me that I had a cracked head on a 4.0 Jeep head. They quoted me $1,000 just to do a head job on the same engine, and that would be after I found a useable head. You could eat off the floor of their shop, but I thought that would be a pretty expensive meal also. This is the same shop that rebuilds a lot of engines for the local Saturday night oval racers around here who complain that they never have any money to feed their family. Needless to say, I took other measures to get the the repair done cheaper.
I have a local machine shop that charged me $50 just to tell me that I had a cracked head on a 4.0 Jeep head. They quoted me $1,000 just to do a head job on the same engine, and that would be after I found a useable head. You could eat off the floor of their shop, but I thought that would be a pretty expensive meal also. This is the same shop that rebuilds a lot of engines for the local Saturday night oval racers around here who complain that they never have any money to feed their family. Needless to say, I took other measures to get the the repair done cheaper.
Adirondack case guy
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We were Case dealers from 1931-1986. Wasn't born yesterday. You can spike the load on a dyno and make the tractor look good to a customer, but that is momentary HP and not sustained HP at PTO speed. I've been around DB's since Case bought them out. The 1410's were strong 80HP tractgors, but there was a reason Case derated the 1490s and 1494s back to 70 HP. Good luck with your 98HP 1410.
Loren, the Acg.
Loren, the Acg.
After going over the bill again and again, there is no way I could do any better. As far as the tractor goes, it runs great. I'm not doing this in my garage. I have a shop that I rent and fully insured. This particular engine is a sleeveless block that they had overheated on a silage blower and scored all 4 cylinders. It wasn't cheap to have it bored and sleeved. It is a 1410, has anybody seen what it entails to remove the engine from that tractor. Good grief, the draw bar has to come off!
Sounds very reasonable to me although I would never invest that in any David Brown myself (Regardless that was the customers choice to do it and you even tried to talk him out of it).
My MIL payed over $4400 to have her 1210 David Brown 4 cylinder majored back in 1994. The 1210 is also a 4 cylinder and about 63 hp. Actually it is quite similar to a 1410 minus the turbo charger so there was not even a brand new turbocharger factored in on it although there was a brand new crankshaft installed. (4 cylinder DB's are prone to breaking crankshafts). I do not think the pump was touched either. Regardless I am going back over 20 years and you did lots of other extra stuff too that they did not.
Tell the crybaby to quit crying. Your pricing is much more than fair. Actually it is about 20 years behind the times. Frankly, nothing worse than dealing with cheapskates.
Lastly, Do not let jerks like this customer ruin your dream of having your own shop. If its what you enjoy doing and you do good work then you will end up with plenty of work in the long run. If you already have more work than you can handle then simply weed out customers like this one in the future.
As a side note: I hate to see all the old tractors and implements being scrapped but I do not necessarily blame a good portion of the scrappers (dope heads and theives are a different story). When the old cheapskate buyers will not even pay close to scrap prices its kinda hard to blame those sellers that opt to scrap em instead.
My MIL payed over $4400 to have her 1210 David Brown 4 cylinder majored back in 1994. The 1210 is also a 4 cylinder and about 63 hp. Actually it is quite similar to a 1410 minus the turbo charger so there was not even a brand new turbocharger factored in on it although there was a brand new crankshaft installed. (4 cylinder DB's are prone to breaking crankshafts). I do not think the pump was touched either. Regardless I am going back over 20 years and you did lots of other extra stuff too that they did not.
Tell the crybaby to quit crying. Your pricing is much more than fair. Actually it is about 20 years behind the times. Frankly, nothing worse than dealing with cheapskates.
Lastly, Do not let jerks like this customer ruin your dream of having your own shop. If its what you enjoy doing and you do good work then you will end up with plenty of work in the long run. If you already have more work than you can handle then simply weed out customers like this one in the future.
As a side note: I hate to see all the old tractors and implements being scrapped but I do not necessarily blame a good portion of the scrappers (dope heads and theives are a different story). When the old cheapskate buyers will not even pay close to scrap prices its kinda hard to blame those sellers that opt to scrap em instead.
Anonymous-0
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Tell him he's right that bill isn't correct.After looking at it again it should be 2=3000 more.I also have my own repair shop & wouldn't do it for that.You have almost that in parts & machine work.
Thank you, I appreciate some reassurance now and
then. I"ve got 9 tractors in here (3 in the shop and
6 in the shed) not including my 4020. There"s plenty
to do. How do you talk people out of wanting to
cobble things to save a buck? Everybody that comes
in here wants to tell me how to do the job cheaper.
That"s not how I was taught. Granpa taught me to do
it right or some one else will. Frankly, the
cheapskates are working my last good nerve.
then. I"ve got 9 tractors in here (3 in the shop and
6 in the shed) not including my 4020. There"s plenty
to do. How do you talk people out of wanting to
cobble things to save a buck? Everybody that comes
in here wants to tell me how to do the job cheaper.
That"s not how I was taught. Granpa taught me to do
it right or some one else will. Frankly, the
cheapskates are working my last good nerve.
Okay, so I guess I learned not to post HP numbers here. Like I said, I don't guaranty my dyno. The point was it runs just fine and good and strong with no problems. The same dyno says Dad's 4010 is 104HP. Doubt that's correct but it is used as a break-in and diagnostic tool, the numbers are rough estimates. I'm not a race shop nor do I sell the numbers so I don't have the dyno calibrated. SORRY, we'll say it's 80 then.
Everybody knows every thing. The gasket under the
trans cover was leaking and so was the pto. So
instead of cutting corners, we did it by the book so
that these leaks could be dealt with during the job.
It could have been removed faster and easier, but by
the book things get taken care of as they should be.
Besides, with the fuel tank off, it was nice and
easy to repair the dash problems. The point of the
post was to get opinions on the bill, not to get nit
picked by all of the 160+ IQ tractor scientists.
trans cover was leaking and so was the pto. So
instead of cutting corners, we did it by the book so
that these leaks could be dealt with during the job.
It could have been removed faster and easier, but by
the book things get taken care of as they should be.
Besides, with the fuel tank off, it was nice and
easy to repair the dash problems. The point of the
post was to get opinions on the bill, not to get nit
picked by all of the 160+ IQ tractor scientists.
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