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Animal 02-16-2013 07:20:47 71.51.222.31 Report to Moderator	I am sick to death of hearing about those poor souls. Do any of you remember taking a bath on Saturday night in a wash tub in front of the cook stove? Or going to the out house on a fresh 2 degree morning, or worse a 90 degree day? Marooned on a ship full of cold beer, snacks for a week, checking out the sweeties, I am there! [Reply]   [No Email]
buickanddeere 02-17-2013 13:32:43 209.240.116.36 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   4 X 11.520MW 16ZAV40S main engines and 2 X 12ZAV40S medium-speed diesel engines @ 514RPM. That's about 85,000 crankshaft shaft HP or 64MW total. Probably 55 to 60 MW total electrical. Both propulsion motors maxed out draw 47MW. Story is now that there are two separate engine rooms. All regular power tripped off during the fire. However the Captain choose not to restart the undamaged engine rooms. Possibly because ship staff are not qualified to start and syncronize generators. Due to cost saving by not paying for training and higher wages for skilled screw members. [Reply]  [No Email]
Texasmark1 02-17-2013 13:38:22 198.45.243.137 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to buickanddeere, 02-17-2013 13:32:43   Hey bd. Is there anything you don't know or don't think you know? [Reply]  [No Email]
buickanddeere 02-17-2013 14:01:34 209.240.116.36 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Texasmark1, 02-17-2013 13:38:22   It's just a gen set and busgear. What do you want to know about it? Not that much different from the bank of six 7MW 4160V gas turbine backup generators I used to work on. [Reply]  [No Email]
Texasmark1 02-17-2013 13:37:43 198.45.243.137 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to buickanddeere, 02-17-2013 13:32:43   Hey bd. Is there anything you don't know or don't think you know? [Reply]  [No Email]
Diydave 02-16-2013 15:58:01 96.244.162.208 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   What's worse, is now they will have to stand at long lines, at the shyster lawyer's offices, to join the class action lawsuit! [Reply]  [No Email]
Brian G. NY 02-16-2013 13:58:36 64.22.47.130 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   Yes, I do remember taking a bath on Saturday night in the wash tub in front of the Kalamazoo!! And....I never enjoyed the comforts of an indoor flush toilet 'til I was out on my own. I've been on a few cruise ships too and if you have ever seen the narrow hallways and myriad of small rooms, you can almost imagine how disgusting it must have been. [Reply]  [No Email]
ErnieD 02-16-2013 12:18:41 184.153.103.206 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   I was on the Triumph sometime ago. It is a total electric drive ship. There six 10 MW generators for propulsion and auxiliaries. The toilets flush by vacuum and use very little water. The flush stuff is all handled by vacuum because there is not enough fall to slope the pipes. Fresh water is produced by either vacuum distillation or reverse osmosis. Large amounts of power are required for meal preparation, refrigeration, and lighting. Emergency generators are located very high on the vessel, but because they are above the center of buoyancy introduce a large rolling moment. It would certainly make sense to completely isolate and compartmentalize the propulsion generators, switch gear, support services etc to provide complete redundancy. I have to believe that is done to some extent. Very large container ships and crude oil carries have only 1 direct drive diesel. When it goes down it is tow time. [Reply]  [No Email]
DoubleR 02-16-2013 11:52:52 198.105.230.174 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   I'm glad it happened. Now maybe my wife will quit bugging me to take her on a cruise. [Reply]  [No Email]
JayinNY 02-16-2013 11:49:10 198.228.200.38 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   I walk in crap everyday, you don't hear my complaining about it! Lol!!!! Manure, hahahaha! [Reply]  [No Email]
Jon Hagen 02-16-2013 14:50:12 69.26.17.61 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to JayinNY, 02-16-2013 11:49:10   That will teach them, should have brought along their 5 buckles. [Reply]  [No Email]
charlie n 02-16-2013 11:23:18 96.35.24.196 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   Read an article that said Carnival's tax rate was 1.1% on a $10 billion profit.So you know they have to cut cost some where. Everybody can do what they want,but I personally can't see spending a week with 3500 people I don't know.And on top of that in a place you can't leave.There are to many things to see on the main land.JMO. [Reply]  [No Email]
Jon Hagen 02-16-2013 10:43:11 69.26.17.61 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   Oh those poor folks. Did you hear that the ship almost capsized when it reached port ?? Yes 8000 lawyers climbed on the port side, hoping to represent the 3000 "victums". [Reply]  [No Email]
Texasmark1 02-17-2013 13:20:44 198.45.243.137 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Jon Hagen, 02-16-2013 10:43:11   Yeah. The lawyers suck in as many as they can. The more the merrier for them. They make the 10's of millions and you may get a check for $29.99 if you are lucky; and the more in the suit, what's left after the commissions is just that much less. I had a NY law firm try to suck me in to sue a fortune 500 company. Interesting how they work. They want you in court in NYC for as long as it takes....to sue a 500 company with it's teams of lawyers......would take forever and they pay none of your expenses......talk about a joke. I said.......er ah you don't want to know what I said. Mark [Reply]  [No Email]
ShadetreeRet 02-16-2013 10:13:51 184.4.20.29 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   Most if not all of those passengers grew up with indoor plumbing and wouldn't have any idea what to do if they needed to "go" in the woods. As evidenced by the comments here most of us didn't have it quite so good when we were growing up. But one of the first things to cross my mind, and someone below has already mentioned this, was DON'T THEY INSTALL EMERGENCY GENERATORS ON THOSE SHIPS? My gosh, they could at least have one large enough to provide power for the sewage pumps and a few lights. I find that hard to believe. Unless, as someone mentioned, the crew probably couldn't read the instructions. But we all know that in most instances in case of power failure an emergency unit will fire up automatically, (must have had a dead battery) Go figure. [Reply]  [No Email]
bobs old iron 02-16-2013 10:25:29 97.122.250.182 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to ShadetreeRet, 02-16-2013 10:13:51   hey shadetree,, come on now, don't be harsh on the engine crew, your'e probably right, they couldn't read english, rather lone the book, to connect the pos-neg cables on the batt...lol :lol: This post was edited by bobs old iron at 10:29:59 02/16/13. [Reply]  [No Email]
bobs old iron 02-16-2013 10:06:59 97.122.250.182 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   agreeable, they should be lucky it wasn't the TITANIC all over again, there are risks on any thing you do, as for the lawer's, send them on a slow boat to china.. [Reply]  [No Email]
ShadetreeRet 02-16-2013 11:56:27 184.4.20.29 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to bobs old iron, 02-16-2013 10:06:59   OMG! Can you imagine having that many lawyers on one boat? [Reply]  [No Email]
Stick welding 02-16-2013 11:48:40 96.53.210.246 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to bobs old iron, 02-16-2013 10:06:59   It could have been the Costa Concordia(sp) where several people died and the captain abandoned ship. [Reply]  [No Email]
bison 02-16-2013 11:36:45 69.168.144.135 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to bobs old iron, 02-16-2013 10:06:59   I can't muster one ounce of pitty for these people(kids excluded), nobody forced them aboard that floating dead trap,..or did they? [Reply]  [No Email]
Fixerupper 02-16-2013 10:04:48 100.42.82.30 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   A Florida lady has already filed suit claiming permanent emotional stress and a few other things. Far as I know she's alive and well physically so in my meager opinion she should chalk it up as a bad deal and get on with life instead of making a big stink about it. Other people who were on that boat weren't as bothered and are ready to go on another cruise. I think a person who gets rattled and emotional easily should realize his or her problem instead of blaming someone else whenever he or she gets upset in a less than ideal situation. Jim [Reply]  [No Email]
Whichester1 02-16-2013 10:01:44 173.27.234.101 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   It may or may not be an issue with the ship, we don't know yet. I do know I am not ever going on a ship unless it has been U.S. Coast Guard inspected and approved. [Reply]  [No Email]
Wile E 02-16-2013 09:49:28 66.188.56.202 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   Well it is like this see--- All those "customers" paid money for that cruise. They should get a refund, plain and simple, no more no less. But.....A sue happy lawyer will get a class action suit against Carnival cruise company or what ever it is and every "victim" will get a $20,000 pain and suffering settlement. (this might happen) Makes me almost wish I was on that boat for a $20k bonus. If it happens. Now I dont want to be stuck on a cruise ship and possibly be a victim of terrorism, like the Aqquilly Lauro in 1985, I got the spelling AFU here. I also dont want illegal aliens making my food and tending to other important aspects of the ship, like the engine room. Plain and simple fact here: I dont like being trapped without a firearm to protect myself putt putting around in the gulf of Mexico. There might as well be a big red target on the side of the ship that says, "here it is, kidnap all these people and hold them for ransom" I highly doubt that any crew members are armed. [Reply]  [No Email]
Texasmark1 02-17-2013 13:26:37 198.45.243.137 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Wile E, 02-16-2013 09:49:28   Wronggggggg! The law firm will get the settlement. The victims will get the crumbs. Why do you thing there was a problem with 8000 lawyers boarding a dung infested ship to rescue 3000 "victims".....love that word. Mark [Reply]  [No Email]
Erik Ks farmer 02-16-2013 09:36:25 199.241.240.16 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   I missing something, why again were they wading around in sewage....dump it over the side.....oppps I bet none of them ever had to take a leak or worse yet #2 without a toilet. [Reply]  [No Email]
Diydave 02-16-2013 16:01:13 96.244.162.208 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Erik Ks farmer, 02-16-2013 09:36:25   Apparently there were no farmers aboard. They'da had all the 5 gallon buckets lined up and waiting, at the back of the boat, dump and chuck it, feed the fish! [Reply]  [No Email]
Big Ed 02-16-2013 09:20:55 98.92.33.2 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   Wish I could have had it that "tough" the year I spent in Vietnam. No bath for 5 whole days.............mercy sakes And doubt if the smell on the ship was any worse.Think I'd have just picked up a bikini-babe and hoped for a few more days @ sea!!! [Reply]  [No Email]
bgud 02-16-2013 09:03:22 74.47.8.93 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   They interviewed a gal on the radio yesterday and she kept saying how bad it was that they could not charge there cell phones,cameras, and laptops. She made that statment several times and how awful it was being out of touch without her phone. I sure feel bad for her. LOL [Reply]  [No Email]
old 02-16-2013 08:52:26 4.244.220.31 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   The problem is the people are to soft now days. Ya they payed a big $$ figure to be babied and served but luck had it planned different. If that had been a navy ship there would have been people working there butts off and figuring out how to get it home. Either way it is bad and maybe should not have happened but it did it was in the news now lets go on to something else already [Reply]  [No Email]
Vito 02-16-2013 08:40:49 68.118.193.1 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   All I can say is they had a bad vacation.I don't go on those trips for that very reason.The boredom would kill me also as I don't drink,gamble or worship the sun anymore. They are also getting a refund and additional money so I think they can't complain to hard. JMHO Vito [Reply]  [No Email]
sdc eastern ia 02-16-2013 08:30:02 69.63.4.10 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   Ya always did your business in the morning before the wasps woke up :) [Reply]  [No Email]
paul 02-16-2013 08:26:52 66.44.133.112 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   This thread went a different direction than I thought it was going to be! While the folks did not get what they paid for and that would make me gripe like heck too, I really enjoy the comments here and agree with you all, we need to adjust our attitudes on whar is a hardship and such. Thanks for the chuckles. :) --->Paul [Reply]  [No Email]
rrlund 02-16-2013 08:34:48 207.241.137.116 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to paul, 02-16-2013 08:26:52   Ya,hardship is a relative term,but to compare it to going to war,I don't think it's a fair comparison. Never knew anybody to plan a vacation at war,or pay to be there with their family. I complain when I'm on some kind of tour that I paid good money for and have to listen to a crying kid. If I had to live for days in somebody elses stinking mess,I'd have probably jumped overboard. Or thrown somebody else over. [Reply]  [No Email]
muleboss 02-17-2013 12:10:54 67.239.114.92 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to rrlund, 02-16-2013 08:34:48   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see You are right, We did not spend money to go to war, all we spent was our time, about two years of our lives. How about you? [Reply]  [No Email]
paul 02-16-2013 08:59:25 66.44.133.112 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to rrlund, 02-16-2013 08:34:48   Local news had on a family that was going to take the next cruise on that ship, Carnival assured them it would still go, so they drove down from Minnesota to NO, half way there a Carnival spokesperson said they would be put on a different ship good to go, they got to NO and nope, sorry, not going to go, but we can give you some summer tickets for an additional $2000.... Yes, there is a lot to gripe about, these folks weren't on the ship and they lost a vacation and time and money. Carnival should be able to know the next cruise is canceled and not lead people on... The ships keep getting bigger, seem to have more troubles. paul [Reply]  [No Email]
wijim 02-16-2013 08:23:28 99.148.61.18 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   I was thinking when this started, why dont the cruise ships have the cheap and practical solar and wind energy? Jim [Reply]  [No Email]
John B. 02-16-2013 08:15:58 38.114.64.177 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   I'm sure they had back up systems but all the directions on how to get it up and running again were probably written in English & also in Cursive Penmanship!! [Reply]  [No Email]
willie in mn 02-16-2013 10:08:56 67.142.168.26 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to John B., 02-16-2013 08:15:58   Or in our paperless society, the instructions were on the computer that needs power to display the instructions to start the generator to power the computer. WJ [Reply]  [No Email]
NY 986 02-16-2013 08:10:30 67.142.178.27 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   I am sympathetic to the people but yes the story has been done to death and over dramatized. People who were on there talking lawsuits are just plain ridiculous. I think what Carnival is offering for the inconvenience is more than fair. [Reply]  [No Email]
Texasmark1 02-17-2013 13:30:27 198.45.243.137 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to NY 986, 02-16-2013 08:10:30   I agree, they are bending over backwards but you know as well as I it's all selfishly motivated.....to stay out of court and keep the suckers coming. Mark [Reply]  [No Email]
john730d 02-16-2013 08:04:02 208.73.228.5 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   And if the news media spent the same amount of time on the 4 Americans killed in Bengazhi, we'd know what really happened. I could say alot more, but this might even go "poof". [Reply]  [No Email]
Bret4207 02-17-2013 05:19:22 64.19.90.196 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to john730d, 02-16-2013 08:04:02   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see [/size:aa2347d8e2]DA-DING!!!!!!!!![size=12:aa2347d8e2] And the man wins the grand prize!!!! Nothing to see here folks, move along, move along. [Reply]  [No Email]
JOB 02-16-2013 07:57:02 74.36.134.248 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   I wondered why the ship did not have diesel back up generators. Back up generators should have kept everything electrical working while the ship was dead in the water. That cruise ship is pretty much a little city at sea. Air craft carriers down to destroyers have back up generators, not sure of anything smaller. Back up generator would have been a good investment. Or maybe the engineering crew don't know how to start them up. [Reply]  [No Email]
buickanddeere 02-16-2013 09:59:48 184.151.63.178 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to JOB, 02-16-2013 07:57:02   It costs money to install backup generators ,separate redundant electrical bus and isolated engine rooms. Cruise company managers have to clue except how to cut costs. You can bet that the poorly trained minimum wage engine crew. Cared nothing about pails of flammable cleaning solvents sitting around, jumpered out fire/smoke/heat detectors that were false alarming. Or protective isolation covers that had been removed for maintenance and tossed into a corner. You can bet nobody on board knew how to Jerry Rig one running generator set from salvaged parts from the cripples. [Reply]  [No Email]
Goose 02-16-2013 07:55:47 70.197.197.94 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   Having once been on an aircraft carrier that was on fire, I'd call this nothing more than an incident. [Reply]  [No Email]
Dean 02-16-2013 08:07:25 24.1.134.162 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Goose, 02-16-2013 07:55:47   Were you on the Forrestal, Goose? Dean [Reply]  [No Email]
Goose 02-16-2013 10:16:29 70.197.197.94 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Dean, 02-16-2013 08:07:25   I was on the Saratoga, FDR, and Lake Champlain. The Lake Champlain was the one that got on fire. We were in port at Marsielle, France and apparently someone vented the av-gas system in port, which is an ABSOLUTE no-no. An oil slick formed around the aft of the ship and all it took was for someone to pitch a cigarette butt overboard. We lost five sailors and two French civilians who were on a barge alongside. When a Bos'n's mate got on the squawk box and yelled, "General quarters, this is no drill!" we knew he meant it. About a quarter of the ship burnt before it was over. Fortunately the fire never got to the flight deck where there were rows of fueled up airplanes. The Randolph was due to relieve us within a couple of weeks, so the Randolph arrived early and we limped home. [Reply]  [No Email]
Herald P Ia 02-16-2013 21:13:46 70.198.1.14 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Goose, 02-16-2013 10:16:29   My brother served on the Lake Champlain during WWII, and then after the war was over, made 4 or 5 trips across the Atlantic, bringing troops home.They converted it from a aircraft carrier to a troop carrier. At one trip, they set a speed record, that was kept for many years, for the time to cross one way. I have some name plates that were takin off the ship before it was dismantled. My brother went thru the war, came home and was killed in a accident. Still miss him... [Reply]  [No Email]
Dean 02-16-2013 11:42:35 24.1.134.162 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Goose, 02-16-2013 10:16:29   Thanks, Goose. A high school classmate of mine perished in the fire on the Forrestal in 1967. Though never in the military myself, my Mother was a WWII veteran. She spent 3 years as a nurse in McArthur's Army in New Guinea and the Philippines. I have great respect for all of our veterans. Thank you for your service. Dean [Reply]  [No Email]
Goose 02-16-2013 14:19:16 70.197.192.145 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Dean, 02-16-2013 11:42:35   Sorry about your classmate. And I appreciate the thanks. It's always nice to know what we did didn't go unnoticed. [Reply]  [No Email]
MarkB_MI 02-16-2013 07:50:47 75.198.122.191 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   Sounds like conditions were horrific enough for the passengers, what with feces floating down the passageways. But nobody says what things were like down in the crew spaces, and you can be certain that Carnival made sure no press talked to the Filipino crew members. [Reply]  [No Email]
RusselAZ 02-16-2013 07:43:41 24.121.165.26 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   Just wait until the eviro nuts cause a city or two to not have enough electricity. [Reply]  [No Email]
ericlb 02-16-2013 07:33:38 12.189.32.54 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   it probably was uncomfortable, but the media probably made it worse than it was,as usual, also some people will whine and raise ned about anything that isnt perfect, a ship is a incredibly complex machine, and being a machine, in spite of the best efforts of the crew, things will occasionally happen to make things hard, the good part is the thing didnt kill a bunch of people or sink,or run aground while the capitan was waving at his family on shore, they can take their money and book another cruise, thats what id do if i had been on that one [Reply]  [No Email]
John in la 02-16-2013 07:26:39 184.38.196.203 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   [Reply]  [No Email]
Texasmark1 02-17-2013 13:36:20 198.45.243.137 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to John in la, 02-16-2013 07:26:39   If you are in today's volunteer USMC or Army that's one thing. But in VN a lot of draftees had to go through this and get shot at simultaneously. Not a laughing matter. Mark [Reply]  [No Email]
muleboss 02-16-2013 18:26:58 67.239.114.92 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to John in la, 02-16-2013 07:26:39   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see That was first thing I told my wife [Reply]  [No Email]
Rick Kr 02-16-2013 10:49:08 174.232.2.219 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to John in la, 02-16-2013 07:26:39   John Your picture sums it all up. Lot worse places you could be. Give them a refund and politely tell them to shut it. Personally I see no reason to go out on the ocean on a giant bobber. Rick [Reply]  [No Email]
j hikemper 02-16-2013 07:59:19 50.102.94.245 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to John in la, 02-16-2013 07:26:39   man , every body on that boat has no idea , how bad the struggle for life can get ,if ,my dadwere still livin , i could hear him scoff at their pridicament ,,. He was cutoff on a island in the south pacific in WW2for about a month,, starvin japs on the other side of island would steal from them on nite,probably low on ammo just as dads bunch was , Dad said they ate Monkees , marines with him were a tuf smart bunch of country boys that knew how to make it,, luckily they got off island in the early morning hours .. [Reply]  [No Email]
rrlund 02-16-2013 07:26:14 207.241.137.116 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to Animal, 02-16-2013 07:20:47   Taking a bath in a wash tub in front of the stove,I didn't have to smell and deal with 4000 other people's stink and whinning. [Reply]  [No Email]
todd hamilton 02-16-2013 07:42:17 71.88.208.161 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to rrlund, 02-16-2013 07:26:14   yep was just talking about this on FB. I have spent a few vacations in Gulf Shores (east side of Mobile bay). All of the oil companies have high speed tender ships (75' - 100') that ferry crews and supplies to the oil platforms. Those people could have been evacuated to dry land within a few hours once they were within 100 miles of the bay. As for suffering there were kids, babies, and old people on that ship. Turns my stomach the way Carnival has treated them. [Reply]  [No Email]
glen sw wi 02-16-2013 08:19:47 207.190.82.135 Report to Moderator	Re: Those poor people on the cruise! in reply to todd hamilton, 02-16-2013 07:42:17   Having worked on a production platforms out in the Gulf, I can say transfering from a simi rigid platform to a boat is not a safe or simple thing to do. Can imagine how dangerous it would be to try an transfer inexperienced people from one moving boat to another boat. I can just imagine how happy the lawyers would be if someone was injured in this transfer. The sewage problem probably could have been solved if the sewage was just dumped overboard. Now again the EPA and a whole bunch of agencies would sue the the boat owners out of business. The regulations are so strict that the boat porbably didn't even have a means of dumping the sewage. [Reply]  [No Email]