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601 Workmaster's starter took up smoking.

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641Dave

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That is right before it died.

My starter started smoking a little and I noticed it coming out from around the ring cover that covers the brushes.

It finally quit on me and all I get is a high frequency whine sound now.

I took the starter off and removed the cover and sure enough, half a cup of dry, dust crap fell out.

Two of the brush springs are resting on the guide arms and the other two are right there at it. The copper sleeve that the brushes ride on is a little scuffed up too.


Now what? Should I order a starter rebuild kit and replace the brushes or should I just go ahead and order a remanufactured starter?

Also, do you think that now that I have the crud dumped out, could I spray a little wd-40 on the brushes and see if it'll turn with just having it held in the bench vise and hooking jumper cables to it?
 
I would expect the commutator is really worn if the brushes got that bad. I would just get a rebuilt one.
 
WD40 will not fix it.

As a minimum, you will need to replace the brushes and, possibly, the brush springs.

If the armature is good and you are competent to rebuild it, I recommend doing so rather than buying a new aftermarket starter.

The US made OEM type units are much better than the imported ones sold these days.

Dean
 
Yep spray it with WD-40 and then hook it up to try it and you stand a very good chance you will be replacing it since the WD-40 is very likely to light up and then you not only have a starter that smokes but has also been smoked. You need to do a full rebuild as in brushes busheling and maybe even the bendex
 
Ok. Got it. No wd-40 or flammable stuff on electric motors. ( I was just sort of thinking as far as cleaning up the dust)


Here is a rebuild kit. I suppose it will come with some instructions. Does this look like what I need to get started?


601_starter_rebuild_kit.jpg
 
cole, You are right, and if the bushing is bad the, armature touches the fields leaving scratches on both. So if you have scratches just one end of the armature you have a bad bushing. Both ends, both bushings.
George
 
Looks like you just need one more thing. A good spray can of electric type cleaner spray to clean things up. If you can not find that a can of brake cleaner spray will also work well.
 
one thing i'd ad -

I use break cleaner - it'll evaporate long before it ever causes an fire trouble.

But - I also like to scrape out the area between the copper pads on the commutator. (if you've got it all apart anyways).

Those little slots usually get filled with non-conductive crud - but sometimes when something goes wrong in a motor like that, it can kick up a lot of copper dust and that also gets packed in there.

Just use a toothpick or something to clean the grooves so you're sure that each "pad" is electrically isolated.
 
Got it. I have some electrical cleaner somewhere. I quit using brake cleaner except for just brakes ever since I read the phosgene article.

I'll get it apart tonight and start cleaning it up. I'll post some questions and pics of parts if I start wondering to much.

Thanks fellas!
 
Dont you have a rebuilding shop nearby that does alternators, generators, and starters?? They can fix it right and will replace all bearings/bushings, and test all the components, clean it all like new, spray paint the outside. It will last like a new starter. Tom
 
(quoted from post at 23:41:46 01/28/13) Dont you have a rebuilding shop nearby that does alternators, generators, and starters?? They can fix it right and will replace all bearings/bushings, and test all the components, clean it all like new, spray paint the outside. It will last like a new starter. Tom
Click to expand...

I'm sure I have something close, but...

I'm hoping that my $20 worth of rebuild kit with shipping are going to have this thing working, plus a little know how for down the road.

I just read up on how to get the bushings out with a tap and watched a video on re-soldering two of the brushes. Got some good advice up top so, ....here we go.

By the way, thanks to "Ole Fussy", (my 601), I've learnt myself on head removal and replacement, x2 (after blowing the 2nd head gasket), I leaned how to rebuild the carb., clean and seal a gas tank, rewired the whole thing, set points and tune it, replace a pto bearings and seal, who to take a radiator to for a ripped out core and the proper way to plow a field with a double plow. ....hyll I ain't skeered no more! :wink:
 
A ford starter, rebuilt, ain't that hard to find. I would stay away
from advance auto stuff, but here's the rub. Each starter has its
tricks to assembling, and some special tools are necessary for
assembly of some. By the time you figure out what you need to
make or buy, you could have the rebuilt one in. If you take it
apart, and break off a bolt, or a housing, you will be in for a
wait, to get more/right parts. I do not rebuild, but I meet the
snap on tool truck, at a local rebuilders, every friday night, for
the last 25 years, and have seen some of the frequent failures at
rebuilding, that some first time starter rebuilders bring in. A
little knowledge is not a good thing, sometimes!
 
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