FarmallRay
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Im going to look for a new varmint rifle tomorrow.I made my mind up on a bolt action 223cal. Any opinions on make and model would be appreciated. What do you like best?
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old popper
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You will have to check them all out, but I am partial to the Savage line myself. I liked them before, for their accuracy out of the box, but now with the ACCUTRIGGER figured in they have to be tops in my book.
Back Forty Bob.
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Remington 700 varmit with the heavy barrel is a good choice.
You may also want to consider 22-250 instead of a .223. It has
more range, just the thing for chucks and dogs. A good scope would complete the package.
You may also want to consider 22-250 instead of a .223. It has
more range, just the thing for chucks and dogs. A good scope would complete the package.
old
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If you really want a 223 make sure what ever you do get will also handle the 556 military ammo since a lot of that is easier to pick up then some of the 223.
in-too-deep
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Savage Model 25 Lightweight. If I hadn't gone with a.22-250, that's what I would've gotten.
farmallray,
Right now .223 ammo is going to be hard to find and expensive if you do find it. We are going through a panic buying phase like we had about 4 years ago.
It will take a couple of years or maybe even longer, depending on what new gun laws come at us before it starts to mellow out again.
You might consider a 22-250 as suggested above which has a longer range but isn't in quite the demand as .223.
If there is any chance you would use it on larger critters like deer, you can't go wrong with a .243 either. With the lighter bullets, they can really ruin a coyote. Just get a .243 with a 1 in 10 inch twist barrel if you plan on using mostly light bullets.
Myron
Right now .223 ammo is going to be hard to find and expensive if you do find it. We are going through a panic buying phase like we had about 4 years ago.
It will take a couple of years or maybe even longer, depending on what new gun laws come at us before it starts to mellow out again.
You might consider a 22-250 as suggested above which has a longer range but isn't in quite the demand as .223.
If there is any chance you would use it on larger critters like deer, you can't go wrong with a .243 either. With the lighter bullets, they can really ruin a coyote. Just get a .243 with a 1 in 10 inch twist barrel if you plan on using mostly light bullets.
Myron
Fullers Farmalls
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I use a .222. It's a little expensive for ammo. Around $.90 a round but mine shoots dead nuts at 100 yards. 2 1/2 inch drop at 275 yards. I hit a ground hog at 275 in the neck and popped its head off. It has killed many deer and is a small fast round. Worth a look but ammo is hard to find as its not a popular caliber.
Traditional Farmer
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Make sure it can shoot the 5.56 rounds also as there are a number of different weight bullets that can be had in the 5.56 and the heavier ones are better for things like Coyotes.
MarkB_MI
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There are so many good .223 bolt guns out there that I don't think you can go wrong. Pretty much all the factory guns these days shoot well. Accuracy will be affected more by what ammo you use than by the brand of gun. No serious varminter shoots factory ammo, and shooting military ammo in an accurate rifle is just silly.
Personally, I'm partial to the .22-250, but .223 pretty much dominates varminting these days, due to the popularity of heavy bullets and fast twist barrels. Most rifles in .22-250 don't have a fast enough twist to shoot the ridiculously heavy bullets available today.
Personally, I'm partial to the .22-250, but .223 pretty much dominates varminting these days, due to the popularity of heavy bullets and fast twist barrels. Most rifles in .22-250 don't have a fast enough twist to shoot the ridiculously heavy bullets available today.
I'm big on reloading; that eliminates the price of new ammo. I know; there is an initial cost of reloading equipment and supplies, bullets, powder and primers but once you have that stuff, you are pretty much set.
I'm almost 70 years old and I've had rifles since I was about 12 years old. My primary interest for years was woodchuck hunting here in the north east. We used kind of heavy, long barreled rifles with big scopes. ( still have my 14x Unertl target scope.) I'm not a "long barrel fan" any more.
I've used a .243., 22/250 .223 and 22 Hornet. If I had to go with just one caliber,it would be a 22/250. .243 is more than needed, 22 Hornet not enough for longer ranges, the.223 is darn good but I think that the 22/250 is at the top of the list. Just a little bit more to it than a .223.
I've had Remingtons and Savages. Twenty years ago, the Remingtons were the choice but today, one of the Savgge models in 22.250 would be hard to beat. No experience with Rugers.
That's my $.02 based on my years of experience; whatever you decide to do, enjoy!
I'm almost 70 years old and I've had rifles since I was about 12 years old. My primary interest for years was woodchuck hunting here in the north east. We used kind of heavy, long barreled rifles with big scopes. ( still have my 14x Unertl target scope.) I'm not a "long barrel fan" any more.
I've used a .243., 22/250 .223 and 22 Hornet. If I had to go with just one caliber,it would be a 22/250. .243 is more than needed, 22 Hornet not enough for longer ranges, the.223 is darn good but I think that the 22/250 is at the top of the list. Just a little bit more to it than a .223.
I've had Remingtons and Savages. Twenty years ago, the Remingtons were the choice but today, one of the Savgge models in 22.250 would be hard to beat. No experience with Rugers.
That's my $.02 based on my years of experience; whatever you decide to do, enjoy!
I have some Handis; nice rifles for the money. I like the kind of old-time, single shot design. They are easy to carry. In fact, my current deer hunting rig is a Handi 45/70. Most of our deer around here is woods and margins of fields and brush lots. This is ideal for me because as I get older, I like simple handy, light and easy to carry.
But a Handi in .243? I kind of keep up on the Handi-Rifle stuff and just about the only complaints I hear about Handis are the ones in .243.
As much as I like Handis, I think that for not much more money one can get a bolt action like the Ruger American and I guess Remington is coming out with a rifle to compete in this market.
Again-just my $.02.
But a Handi in .243? I kind of keep up on the Handi-Rifle stuff and just about the only complaints I hear about Handis are the ones in .243.
As much as I like Handis, I think that for not much more money one can get a bolt action like the Ruger American and I guess Remington is coming out with a rifle to compete in this market.
Again-just my $.02.
Texasmark1
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Neighbor hunts deer and controls wild hogs along his creeks. He uses a scoped bolt action Remington but I forget if he said .223 or .243. Whichever, he said it works fine. I don't know the muzzle velocity of either, but if identical, I would go with the .243 and adjust accordingly for trajectory on long range shots.
Mark
Mark
I was going to stay out of this.
I myself like the better brand names in firearms. Few years back I got rid of my deer rifle and was planning a certain day to go buy a new Browing A bolt in 270. Then one of my sons had a bad breakdown with thier car and needed some money to get it repaired. So I went from a new Browning budget to a Savage. I got it new and kept it long enough to hunt the one season. It shot well but overall it seemed to me to be a cheap gun and that they cut corners any place they could without compromising safety. I traded it on a M77 Ruger that I got a very good deal on. The Ruger will shoot the same groups that the Savage did and IMO is a better over built gun. The biggest thing that I noticed on the Savage was the stock was really flimsy and some of the small parts were cheaply made. I did not fire more than 100 rounds through it so I would not even consider calling my evaluation of it as fair.
The big issue here is ammo availability. 223/556 is just about impossible to find right now. 243 IMO is an OK round for big game at shorter ranges but lacks the power needed past about 300 years for deer. 300 or less is OK. I've looked at 22-250 but in many places it's only good for varmit. My next gun which will be a varmit/hunting gun is going to be 25.06. My son is taking a gun smithing course right now. I'm going to have him build me one. He has to for school so I figure I can help him out by paying for the parts. He even has to make the stock. I think that is next semester that he has to start working on it. If it turns out to be a piece of junk I'll just buy a decent one later.
Rick
I myself like the better brand names in firearms. Few years back I got rid of my deer rifle and was planning a certain day to go buy a new Browing A bolt in 270. Then one of my sons had a bad breakdown with thier car and needed some money to get it repaired. So I went from a new Browning budget to a Savage. I got it new and kept it long enough to hunt the one season. It shot well but overall it seemed to me to be a cheap gun and that they cut corners any place they could without compromising safety. I traded it on a M77 Ruger that I got a very good deal on. The Ruger will shoot the same groups that the Savage did and IMO is a better over built gun. The biggest thing that I noticed on the Savage was the stock was really flimsy and some of the small parts were cheaply made. I did not fire more than 100 rounds through it so I would not even consider calling my evaluation of it as fair.
The big issue here is ammo availability. 223/556 is just about impossible to find right now. 243 IMO is an OK round for big game at shorter ranges but lacks the power needed past about 300 years for deer. 300 or less is OK. I've looked at 22-250 but in many places it's only good for varmit. My next gun which will be a varmit/hunting gun is going to be 25.06. My son is taking a gun smithing course right now. I'm going to have him build me one. He has to for school so I figure I can help him out by paying for the parts. He even has to make the stock. I think that is next semester that he has to start working on it. If it turns out to be a piece of junk I'll just buy a decent one later.
Rick
Anonymous-0
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Get a savage with a detachable clip and the accutrigger. I have a 204 and love it, but ammo is a little pricey and harder to find than 223. If i had toto do it again, id get aa 223.Ammo and guns are hard to come by right now, but it'll come around.
brian brooks
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If i had to choose and i did it would be and still is a savage in 22-250. If you look at a box of hornaday or anthing premium 223 and 22-250 are the same price somtimes 223 costs more. Most surplus 5.56 dont shoot worth a crap in a 223 varmant rifle anyway and you wont find any for a long time.A ffl friend of mine has got letters saying all ammo is going up 6 to 17% IN APRIL SO YOU WONT FIND ANY 223 FOR AWHILE!!!! You could prolly find 22-250 today and its a better round.As far as the gun they are all pretty decent after i bought my savage and it outshot my buddies remington i bought 2 more savages.
Traditional Farmer
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Dicks had .223 ammo yesterday for $12.95/box Gun show today had it in cases pretty pricey around
$18/box
$18/box
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