2-135 or 9700?

in-too-deep · Jan 19, 2013

White or Ford? Have a good MF/Agco dealer close but there's no Whites in the area. NewHolland dealers are close too but theyre newer. I understand the Hercules can be very expensive to rebuild. What about the 6.6 Ford? This would be for row crops and alfalfa on flat sandy loam.

Vito · Jan 19, 2013

I am partial to Ford.

Vito

JD Seller · Jan 19, 2013

The 2-135 is an under powered heavy tractor. The Hercules motor will cost two or three times just about any other to overhaul. The White 140 is about the same tractor with a Cummins motor in it. That would be a better long term choice.

The Ford 9700 around here do not sell well. The motor is not that great and it does not have sleeves. So to overhaul it you need to bore the block. In heavy tillage the rear ends did not work well if the tractor was heavily ballasted.

Both of these tractors sell cheaper because of issues.

If you are looking for one of this size then maybe a IH 1086 or JD 4430 would be a better choice for long term use.

Erik Ks farmer · Jan 19, 2013

What are you going to use the tractor for? I put up hay and do my tillage work with an 1135 MF, and I looked at a 120 White, I wasn't impressed with the cab entry or layout for a haying tractor....just my 2 cents and something to think about.

in-too-deep · Jan 19, 2013

An1135 would be a good fit but I've heard
horror stories about the transmissions. This
would be for tillage and round baling. Passed
up a heartbreaker of a deal on an 1100 a few
weeks ago.

in-too-deep · Jan 19, 2013

Seems like with red and green you either spend a giant pile of money or get a tractor with a jillion hours and hafta put bunch of parts in it. Looks like people are putting Cummins in 2-135's when they need it

Erik Ks farmer · Jan 19, 2013

I run an 1105 and an 1135 have had no trouble pulling a 24' field cultivator and a 21' disc with the 1135. I wouldn't want an 1100 though, they did have transmission issues with those.

moresmoke · Jan 19, 2013

I vote for the 2-135 and swap in a Cummins when needed. The trans has a weird shift pattern, but I think the Ford does too.

rrlund · Jan 19, 2013

The 2-135,hands down going away. Don't let anybody BS you about the cost of rebuilding that 478 Hercules. Way too many people confuse it with the 585 in the White 2-150. I overhauled mine 2 years ago,got all the parts from Maibach,cost me just over $1800. A&I sells a complete kit for those for around $2800. The transmission and rear end are bulletproof in'em. Good tractor,no two ways about it.

in-too-deep · Jan 19, 2013

Thanks. Have you had any other trouble with yours?

Larry NEIL · Jan 19, 2013

2-135 is a great tractor, and the Herc setup in them seems to run a long time.

rrlund · Jan 19, 2013

Had it for over 10 years now and it's just been the usual. Like I said,I overhauled the motor two years ago. The hydraulic oil had been overheating and I had to put a new pump on it. A new compressor on the air conditioner,but that was a freak kind of thing. The mounting bolts had worked just a little loose and there were flat washers on the inside of the bolts. One of'em wore through the case on the compressor. That's been about it. I put way more hours on it than I should on a tractor that size. Use it on the manure spreader and round baler along with doing all my chopping and tillage with it. It's more tractor than I need for baling and hauling manure,but I'm addicted to the cab.
I traded a John Deere 4040 that I bought brand new for it,even money. Had the Deere for 20 years. The White has been a whole lot more trouble free to be honest with you. It's been 20 degrees or colder most every morning,it'll start right up without using the bock heater or even the manifold heater with just a quick touch of the key. You honestly would think it had just been running a minute before on a cold start.
Mine's a Series 3,but the only real big difference is the isolated cab.

rrlund · Jan 19, 2013

It's just the old Oliver pattern,three with reverse,push it up through the verticle neutral and there are three more and another reverse. Then you have three speeds in every gear with the Over/Under HydraulShift. With all those choices,I rarely use the ones in the top neutral anyway,just out of park,in to the bottom neutral with 3-4-6 and R2,then use the 3 speed without clutching.
It's a lot simpler and more convienent than the John Deere Quad Range.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 19, 2013

I think you are giving a 4430 more respect than they deserve. As far as I am concerned they are a gutless, hard starting fuel hog with good steering brakes and hydraulics. That little cab is kind of a joke too.

NY 986 · Jan 19, 2013

For what it is worth the large Ford row-crops before the Genesis series are all but gone here despite some effective dealers back in the day. Small amount of 2-1XX Whites around. If your avoiding IH or Deere maybe a 2390 Case. If you have to go blue I would look at maybe a TW series (15, 20. or 25). Series II or III in the White.

rrlund · Jan 19, 2013

Not to be a smart guy,but the Series 2 was the same tractor as the early gray stripe. They just had the red stripe that indicated they were made after the Texas Instruments takeover from White Motors.

730 virgil · Jan 19, 2013

chris did you rent yourself some crop ground?
way to go!

Anonymous-0 · Jan 19, 2013

I agree with JDSELLER-The first 4430's were made 40 years ago and set the standards for todays modern tractor-sure by todays standards the cab is small,but back in the early 70's all the other tractor makers had a outhouse on their tractors compared to the Deere cab! Or should I call it an ECHO CHAMBER? You might pay a little more for a Deere but it will be well worth it in the long run!!!!

Dalet · Jan 19, 2013

I would buy a 4440 or a 4450 in good shape over either of them. In a couple years time you will have invested the same amount of money, but if you buy the Deere, you can get it back.

in-too-deep · Jan 19, 2013

No, sad to say I'm just dreaming at this point. Thank you for the card and gift, by the way!

in-too-deep · Jan 19, 2013

We used to have a 4400 at work. It was my
favorite tractor on the place. Loved running that
thing more than the shiny new ones. I see
whatyou're saying

in-too-deep · Jan 19, 2013

I meant to say 4440.

Bobl1958 · Jan 19, 2013

I have a 2-135 and have farmed with it for a few years. It is a very good tractor in my books and I have had cases and deeres. It is pretty fair on fuel and the 3speed is tough if driven right. Cost of overhaul would be half of deere. Ours is a 76 model. My Dad bought a new 2-180 in 78 or 79and put 8000 hours on it with only a little work done on the rearend. I think you would be happy with the white if it has had care in it's previous life. Bob

rrlund · Jan 19, 2013

Why will he have the same in to them? Ever had to have the two speed in a Quad Range replaced? I did. An arm and a leg.
And if he's buying a tractor to use,what's it matter what it's worth to sell? He's not talking about buying it to resell.
No point arguing religion though is there.

mark in boonville ny · Jan 19, 2013

if the 9700 runs and operates good i would get it. i like mine put some money into it and now its one of my main tractors. there pretty nice strong tractors and they do last just like any other tractor under the right care.

ford farming · Jan 19, 2013

ive ran fords all myn life and my father in law had whites all his life. rsn side by side for 15 years and my ford tw 20 had as much power a s2-135 but had much better fuel economy. also years before his dad had a 2-135 bought new with like 3800 engine hours on and for some reason neede overhauled and almost cost the farm to re build . i drove his and didnt like having to climb in cab side ways and to look thru a muffler and air cleaner on right side of hood. shift pattern little tricky also. father in law now has ford genasis 8870 now !!!

paul · Jan 20, 2013

Well, you know what I'm partial too, so not going to get a fair answer from me I suppose.

My 7700 and. TW20 have done alright by me.

Tho when I was looking for the bigger one, a 135 was on the list of possibilities too.

Paul

workhorse puller · Jan 20, 2013

would not hesitate at all go with the 135 have several of them and not a bit of problems parts are readly available also

ford farming · Jan 20, 2013

4430... reallllly, they were known for rear end trouble , ran side by side with my cousin and deere fuel economy was terrible and cousin had to fix rear end twice.

Kevin B from Illinois · Jan 20, 2013

I agree with some of the posts below but you will way overpay for what you get out of those jds, and IH 986 or 1086 will get you more bang for your buck in the field and upon selling or trading.

JD Seller · Jan 20, 2013

The JD 4430s had the rear end trouble fixed in the last two years of production. The engines where not a torque type engine but what other tractors of that age will bring more than they sold for new?? Plus if you ever overhaul them then the higher compression pistons is all that you can get now. That cured a lot of the engine issues.

Also how many are still running??? I bet that there is a much higher percentage of JD over the Ford or White.

I would not put my future in the hands of AGCO or Fiat.

ihman73 · Jan 21, 2013

Personally quality of your local dealers should come into play also. JDSeller makes a good point on questioning the future of AGCO. If their other dealers are no better than our local dealer they are doomed. For me I prefer IH or Deere, but I'm not blindly predjudiced to those two. We have a couple MM antiquers and I have run the neighbors 2-105 some and will say it is a good machine. But you can't blindly dismiss resale value either eventually you will want to trade up. I saw a cherry AC 8070 powershift with less than 4000 hours sell on a sale a couple years ago for $17,000, when a comparibly sized Deere or IH of the same vintage would be $27-30,000. The reason for that is parts and service availability and the reliability thereof. We went back to a Deere from a White for our main planter because the Agco's definition of a machine down part order is 3 days, Deere or IH or NH is next morning by 8 or 9 a.m. Availability of parts is no good if you can't get them when you need them. Personally I'd find you a 4440 I have yet to find a person disapointed by one.

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