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Thoughts on GMO"s ? Required labeling ? I see Monsanto is banned in Peru . Slippery slope if we lose our native seeds ? There is a huge seed bank in NE iowa . I"ve been told corn retains residual herbicide ? yes no ? this is getting to be a big deal if one company controls all the seed ?
 
"Thoughts on GMO"s ?"

GMO protests are based on emotion rather than science.

"Required labeling ? "

It"s already required, isn"t it?

"I see Monsanto is banned in Peru"

Nope. GMO seeds were banned there about a year ago, not Monsanto.

"Slippery slope if we lose our native seeds ?"

What makes you think we"ll "lose" them? Emotion rather than science. It's a bigger slippery slope to reject technology because of unfounded fear.

"I"ve been told corn retains residual herbicide ? yes no ?"

More emotion rather than science. What does "retain" mean?

"this is getting to be a big deal if one company controls all the seed ? "

Emotion, not science. There's nothing to indicate that will happen.
 
Tom Well said.. I all ways laugh when I see the protesters. Haven,t seen one yet that looks
hungry. I my self would not want to farm without RoundUp. Like you said most of their fears are based on something someone has told them not what they have witnessed.
 
Those who protest GMO crops are very well versed in their propaganda and know virtually nothing about GMOs. A little education usually changes a protesters mind.

It has always amazed me that those who would consider themselves to be in support of a cure for world hunger would also fight GMOs. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face.
 
Emotion, lies, misconception, innuendo, disinformation and "voodoo science" is all the anti GMO crowd has. There has yet to be the first confirmed case of a GMO causing health issues. The anti-GMO crowd uses correlations rather than real evidence because they have none. They use opinions not based on science or fact as a scare tactics. They try to pass off reports based on biased opinion as "scientific studies" because REAL scientific studies confirm there is no evidence to back up their opinions.

The crops we now produce are the safest, most abundant, and most efficient in mans history. Some people would prefer we returned to the stone age. They're afraid of what they don't understand.
 
I believe that the science behind the GMOs is not yet complete. The human body is a giant chemistry experiment. The modified genes could very well have implications for future generations, but science won't catch on for years.

If everyone truly believes there is no danger, what's the harm in letting the consumer decide?
 
Did you know that they put a little bit of herbicide in the seed to make it resistant? Isn't that terrible? Atleast that's what the bitc# at a store in Deadwood, SD told me. If my wife hadn't stepped on my toe to keep quiet I would have come unglued and set her straight. We put what we planned on buying back and left.
 
That's the problem in a nutshell. Nearly all the anti-GMO crowd THINKS they know about the science involved. Fact of the matter is, most don't have a flipping clue. Start explaining how GMO's work, and they're baffled. Ignorance breeds fear. Start explaining plant proteins, etc, and they start tossing around phrases like "Frankenplant"... At that point, it's futile arguing with them. But they sure don't hesitate to eat when they're hungry.
 
I always wonered why thos folks don't just plant their own garden and plant a grow their own "safe" crop.
Larry NEIL
 
One thing you can be sure of is that all these chemical and seed companies are in it to make a profit for them selves. NOT to feed the hungry or to make money for the producer. If it is right or wrong or ethical or not is not the question. It is all profit based industry.
 
"It is all profit based industry." You say PROFIT like its a bad thing. Not sure what you do for a living but I assume you also would like to profit at the end of the day. I agree the Chem/seed compamy's do seem to be trying to monpolies and control all aspects of the ag industry but what else would you expect. Sure their looking to make a profit and their share holders expect them to. Don't get upset about it buy shares in the company. You can do that when you make a "PROFIT". Rocko.
 
(quoted from post at 20:37:08 01/17/13) "It is all profit based industry." You say PROFIT like its a bad thing. Not sure what you do for a living but I assume you also would like to profit at the end of the day. I agree the Chem/seed compamy's do seem to be trying to monpolies and control all aspects of the ag industry but what else would you expect. Sure their looking to make a profit and their share holders expect them to. Don't get upset about it buy shares in the company. You can do that when you make a "PROFIT". Rocko.
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Good point.....and the irony of it is that the people who are jumping into the "non-GMO" "organic" "heritage" "all natural" "agri-business" "artisan" cult are not afraid to charge twice as much for their wares......
 
I'm not against them but I'm not for them. Show me research done by independent sources not in any way funded by the companies marketing GMO products please. Colleges don't really count as most of the GMO producers fund research in a heck of a lot of colleges.

I feel the same way about most companies no matter what they make. They really could care less about the consumer as long as they are making a profit. And nothing wrong with them making a profit. I just want to feel comfortable with what I'm using and or consuming.

Rick
 
there are a lot of concerns about food safety,but the thing that amazes me is people that don't have a clue as were or how the food products are produced will pay through the nose for food with organics labels with the mind set that it is the very best they can purchase,they need to study up a little bit on some of the trends that get started,no insecticides, fungicides or chemical bacteria prevention if they only knew of some of the toxins that can be produced from these i think they would have a different opinion of what is so safe to use,i like the way they promote products especially some pesticides as all natural coming from some plant extract giving the impression that it's safer than it's evil twin that was produced using chemicals when one is just as toxic as the other,there are a lot of things that never cease to amaze me about shoppers mind set, one case in point use to sell some at a farmers market, a bushel of potatoes for 12 dollars, 1/2 for 6, and a peck for 3 ,i don't know how many times people have told us , there pretty but i just can't use a peck it's too many,go on down the line and pay 2 dollars a pound for 2 pounds and be satisfied not thinking the price they just paid, the peck would have only cost them 25 dollars at that price per pound and a few times the other vendors had bought them from me earlier
 
(quoted from post at 20:50:48 01/17/13) I just want to feel comfortable with what I'm using and or consuming.

Rick
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Well don't google "gmo" on the internet then! There is so much crap posted by people with an "agenda", most all of it is opinion or mis-information solely meant to scare people and promote what they sell. We sell veggies roadside and advertise through Craigslist and Facebook. We constantly have to deal with questions from people who have been mis-informed from the internet or competitors....
 
(quoted from post at 20:56:09 01/17/13) there are a lot of concerns about food safety,but the thing that amazes me is people that don't have a clue as were or how the food products are produced will pay through the nose for food with organics labels with the mind set that it is the very best they can purchase,they need to study up a little bit on some of the trends that get started,no insecticides, fungicides or chemical bacteria prevention if they only knew of some of the toxins that can be produced from these i think they would have a different opinion of what is so safe to use,i like the way they promote products especially some pesticides as all natural coming from some plant extract giving the impression that it's safer than it's evil twin that was produced using chemicals when one is just as toxic as the other,there are a lot of things that never cease to amaze me about shoppers mind set, one case in point use to sell some at a farmers market, a bushel of potatoes for 12 dollars, 1/2 for 6, and a peck for 3 ,i don't know how many times people have told us , there pretty but i just can't use a peck it's too many,go on down the line and pay 2 dollars a pound for 2 pounds and be satisfied not thinking the price they just paid, the peck would have only cost them 25 dollars at that price per pound and a few times the other vendors had bought them from me earlier
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Yup, the Farmer's markets are where the ignorant buy their food LOL!
 
(quoted from post at 18:21:16 01/17/13) Thoughts on GMO"s ? Required labeling ? I see Monsanto is banned in Peru . Slippery slope if we lose our native seeds ? There is a huge seed bank in NE iowa . I"ve been told corn retains residual herbicide ? yes no ? this is getting to be a big deal if one company controls all the seed ?
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I work for that big bad company responsible for all this, at a transgenic breeding facility. Recently voted in the top 14 best places to work worldwide, good people doing customer driven SCIENCE to improve yields and reduce the use of chemical inputs......remember Atrazine and Bladex...Furidan Lorsban ....things that were bad for the environment.

Mark Lynas was responsible for one of the most successful ANTI GMO campaigns ever, Getting them banned in Europe and He is responsible for alot of the crap people spout today. He recently realized to be taken seriously by the science community he had to use real science to back up his view, but what happened will amaze you. If you have an hour to watch this video you will be amazed at what a little education does
http://vimeo.com/56745320
 
Most of them have no idea where the food in the BIG GROCERY CHAIN FOOD STORE. comes from and probabley wouldn't have a clue how to plant a seed much less water, weed and harvest it. Reminds me of a POST about a week ago about why don't people just go get their meat at the grocery store instead of hurting all them poor animals. JUST DON'T HAVE A CLUE! Rocko.
 
The problem is Monsanto suing FARMERS for "stealing" their patented material by saving seeds when the seed they originally planted did not come from Monsanto in the first place.

If farmer "A" plants open pollinated such and such and farmer "B" a mile a way plants a patented variety, how is it farmer "A"'s fault if pollen from farmer "B"'s crop cross pollinates and now his seed has some genetic markings from a patented seed?
Google "Percy Schmeiser vs. Monsanto" so you can understand that I'm not a wacko hippy.

I don't believe GMO is dangerous to eat, but rather a Pandora's box scenario that may have unintended consequences. Reminds me of some plants that were introduced decades ago for various miracle crop purposes that are now considered invasive weeds.
 
(quoted from post at 19:41:53 01/17/13) Emotion, lies, misconception, innuendo, disinformation and "voodoo science" is all the anti GMO crowd has. There has yet to be the first confirmed case of a GMO causing health issues. The anti-GMO crowd uses correlations rather than real evidence because they have none. They use opinions not based on science or fact as a scare tactics. They try to pass off reports based on biased opinion as "scientific studies" because REAL scientific studies confirm there is no evidence to back up their opinions.

The crops we now produce are the safest, most abundant, and most efficient in mans history. Some people would prefer we returned to the stone age. They're afraid of what they don't understand.
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So, just like the anti-gun bunch.

Gene
 
No, in many cases I think they are NOT like the anti-gun bunch. There are some very real questions about intensive use of GMO crops that have not been satisfactorily answered for some folks. Also, very few gun enthusiastists rant and rage about backwards idiots, who choose not to own a gun. If there is nothing inherently wrong with GMO, there is most certainly not anything wrong with open-pollinated crops. One major concern with blanket use of herbicides and pesticides is resisitances building up in the pests they are fighting. I am whole-heartedly convinced that GMO crops are in big danger of falling prey to the same failing as the moldboard plow, an exceedingly useful invention that is over-used to the point of doing damage, and getting a bad reputation for it. Not to mention, I find no credibility to the claims of the world starving without GMO crops, because it is an economic issue, not a production one. If production was that close to inadequate, less corn would be used for ethanol and corn syrup, not to mention beef feed. Millions of acres are in taxpayer funded suspension, that could help feed the masses. Millions more are having houses and businesses built on them, and not by starving folks. If we could go back to less productive methods, but employ more farmers on more acreage, I would be all for it.

What it comes down to in my mind, is the same as most issues. There is no evil conspiracy, most bad effects are caused by good intentions, and neither side is 100% right or wrong. And there are closed-minded, ignorant folks on both sides of the issue.
 
Yes, all those opposed to modern farming should plant their own victory gardens. Never go to the store. Just live off the land.

I think GMO's just did in fewer years what selective breeding took decades to do.

Gene
 
(quoted from post at 21:02:27 01/17/13)
(quoted from post at 20:50:48 01/17/13) I just want to feel comfortable with what I'm using and or consuming.

Rick
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Well don't google "gmo" on the internet then! There is so much crap posted by people with an "agenda", most all of it is opinion or mis-information solely meant to scare people and promote what they sell. We sell veggies roadside and advertise through Craigslist and Facebook. We constantly have to deal with questions from people who have been mis-informed from the internet or competitors....
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So where do I find those elusive independent studies, not conducted by anyone with an agenda? Far too often companies have produced things that later proved to be dangerous while claiming the product to be safe. So to me schools still out on GMO's. I'm not going to claim they are good nor bad right now. Just not enough info.


For those of you who think ridicule is an effective argument, I'll point out that most often when someone tries claiming something is perfectly safe and can't actually prove it one way or the other they resort to that tactic. So 2 can play at that game and one could claim that people who support GMO's are greedy people with no regard for the health and being of the folks using their products.


I mean after all you have shown no proof that they are safe!


So why don't we keep this civil?

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 00:03:39 01/18/13) Yes, all those opposed to modern farming should plant their own victory gardens. Never go to the store. Just live off the land.

I think GMO's just did in fewer years what selective breeding took decades to do.

Gene
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ene, there are quite a few people doing exactly that. Those are the folks who I have respect for, and will listen to the objections they may have. And it sounds to me like you are taking the same tack that there would be no food in the grocery store if not for GMO. Yields are much better than they used to be, even without genetically modified crops. Many improvements have been made, and not jumping on the GMO bandwagon does not mean an attack on "modern farming", or a desire to go back to a team of mules, merely preferring not to use one new facet of farming. I also don`t much care for GPS guidance on equipment, does not mean I am opposed to anything new.

Also, GMOs are in no way similar to what would have resulted from further breeding. They both result in improved yields, but the way it is achieved is scientifically very different. The benefits are also very different, with roundup ready strains a perfect example. No amount of selective breeding would have achieved the same trait, as it is a trait not native to the genome of corn, or any of the other RR crops.
 
So where do I find those elusive independent studies, not conducted by anyone with an agenda? Far too often companies have produced things that later proved to be dangerous while claiming the product to be safe. So to me schools still out on GMO's. I'm not going to claim they are good nor bad right now. Just not enough info.


Rick
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School is still out for us on the use of GMO seeds, so we don't use them. Actually there aren't that many GMO vegetable seeds out there yet, but we have customers that believe hybrids are GMO....and any bi-color corn is GMO.....
 
I like this posting from the website of a local CSA....can you spot any inaccuracies??



According to Wikipedia, "a genetically modified organism (GMO) is an organism whose genetic material has been altered using genetic engineering techniques. These techniques,
generally known as recombinant DNA technology, use DNA molecules from different sources, which are combined into one molecule to create a new set of genes. This DNA is then transferred into an organism, giving it modified or novel genes. Genetic modification involves the insertion or deletion of genes. When genes are inserted, they usually come from a different species, which is a form of horizontal gene transfer. To do this it requires attaching the genes to a virus or just physically inserting the extra DNA into the nucleus of the intended host with a very small syringe, or with very small particles fired from a gene gun. The viruses typically used to complete this transfer are E.coli and Samonella."

Why these viruses? These viruses are used because they are the only ones that can penetrate the cell wall to allow for modification that wouldn't generally happen in nature. Some of the so-called benefits of genetically modified foods is that they are resistance to disease, pests and chemical compounds. This sounds good in theory but the repercussions of this scientific engineering is a fruit that will no longer produces after it's own kind and before long will not produce at all. The effort to make plants resistant to Round-Up and a few bug bites is food that will no longer reproduce. GMO foods are essentially sterilization of nature. If we consume nature it could be assumed we would be subject to the same outcome. A general rule of thumb to live by: If the bugs try eat it then it's safe, but if they don't then it's probably not!

In effort to preserve our food and our health, Blank Farm vows to use only non-GMO, heirloom seeds that are organically grown. By planting real food we can achieve real health.
 
People like that give those with legitimate concerns a bad name. About like folks claiming to plant GMO corn to charitibly feed the hungry, starving masses.
 
Google "Percy Schmeiser vs. Monsanto" so you can understand that I'm not a wacko hippy.
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LOL. Ol Percy went from non GMO to over 90% GMO crop in one season and somehow pollen drift in a plant not really known for pollen drift was the cause?
There are some very good reasons Percy lost his case.
 
The close minded anti-GMO crowd won't listen to fact based information. They prefer to use words and phrases like "we think", and "in our opinion", etc, rather than deal with reality. Fact of the matter is, in the 2 decades since GMO's have become a reality, NO ONE has found any REAL evidence where they harm ANYONE.

These people rely on rumors and misconception. They attempt to paint scientist's involved in GMO research as evil mad scientist's. And yhey spread everything from little white lies to out and out nonsense fabrications as their evidence. That's because they have NO proof to back up their fear mongering case. With the billions and billions of dollars spent, with all the anti GMO groups, with all the countries who've bought into the lies, someone somewhere would have found even a shred of proof to their fear based propaganda by now if there were any such proof. Yet all they have is more rumors and more innuendo.

Ignorance breeds fear. Fear causes irrational behavior. Irrational behavior results in stunted developement. Stunted developement sends us back into the cave to await the discovery of fire.
 
The CDC has done, and is still doing further studies on GMO's. They receive NO funding from companies producing GMO's, Take no funding from ANTI-GMO organizations, and do their own unbiased, independent testing.

Their findings so far? GMO's are SAFER than non GMO crops, and FAR safer than organically grown, open polinated crops.

And the real kicker? NO...NONE....ZERO...anti-GMO funded testing has been able to provide even a shred of REAL evidence where GMO's cause harm. They insinuate "potential problems", but haven't been able to provide conclusive evidence. Their only argument has been correlations....(an example of a correlation....The US economy began to faulter about the time Justin Beiber recorded his first album. THEREFORE, Justin Beiber is the cause of the US economies current condition. You see how ridiculous THAT appears? Well...That's the same principal anti GMO propaganda relies on)

Again, if there was REAL PROOF, that would be front page news. The anti GMO crowd is well funded and very loud. They would plaster facts across every meadia outlet on earth if the only had proof.
 
This is one of those topics, facts don't need to get in the way.....

One part of your question, we already have labeling. If you care about it, buy organic products, or there are several private labels 'natural' in the name that self-certify they are gmo free.

Requiring labels beyond that is silly, as the labels are already there.

Paul
 
The irony of all of this is that glyphosate is one of the safest, smallest residual herbicides that we've ever had. That probably owes largely to the fact that since it is such a broad spectrum... it's a very simple basic product. As far as it's usage goes... if used correctly it is just another tool to control weeds that gives another mode of action that should help to reduce resistance. Atrizine is perhaps one of the most widely used herbicides at one time and a large number of weeds have developed a certain amount of resistance to it.... and overall it's a more potent, dangerous and longer lasting chemical in the soil than glyphosate.
I often laugh when I wonder... do the vegans really know what gets sprayed on their lettice and carrots vs what is used on corn... I'd sooner eat the corn.

Rod
 
Well, we have not used any GMO crops on our farm yet. I am thinking of doing one year of roundup ready corn and do a weed burn down. I have began to see fields that have been nothing but roundup the last few years are having more and more ragweed problems. My plan is do do roundup every few years and more conventional systems the other years and yes even some cultivating.

I am in favor of the locally grown systems, we do get a few items from the local farmers market, but our farmers markets are usually 6-12 stands and they are people I know and trust. We are also getting into more of processing our own animals we raise. We are also expanding our garden. I dont buy much of anything at Walmart. We have a small local general store that has everything from hardware to groceries and most things in between. I buy most of my items there. I believe we need guns for hunting and protection. I dont think we need assault rifles. I bet dynamite is fun too but you cant buy that legally for personal use.
I understand that farming has to go this way, but Im wishing the country would be dotted with small farms. The small towns were full of buisnesses, there was demand for American built products such as tractors and other farm implements. With the decline of small farms we are seeing the decline of small town buisnesses and city factory jobs.
I do believe the world is moving too fast and we need to sit back and not think we can but think if we should. So I guess I am ignorant.
Jim
 
Well as you can see its the same crowd that thinks its fine to poison their farmland year after year that also embrace GMO crops and the same bunch that needs a Gov't handout every year to stay in farming.When the Gov't runs out of $$$ it'll all take care of itself.
 
I do not, and probably never will, consider a federal agency an unbiased source of data. If nothing else, whoever pays the most taxes, earns the most loyalty from uncle sam.

In what way are non-GMO crops more dangerous that GMO? Do you actually have a problem with folks that choose to farm without GMOs? In a profit based world, there are quite a few organic farmers who found a niche market and are making a good living at it. Nothing wrong with that, is there?
 
And it's the same person who relies on lies and disinformation, using terms that don't apply (ie "poison") to defend their inability to grasp technology. Forrest Gump was right.
 
So what you're saying is, you don't agree with any agency, no matter how unbiased, when it doesn't agree with your unfounded opinions. It's one thing to be misinformed, another thing entirely to be DELIBERATELY misinformed.
 
Facts? When did the anti GMO crowd ever consider facts as a valid point in their arguments? They don't have a single "fact" that confirms their opinion. They have all sorts of lies and misconceptions, but they're a little short on facts. Some are down right pathological liars.
 
Numbers don't lie. GMO crops have proven to cause a much lower incidence of food born illness. They limit or eliminate disease within the plant species, resulting in less harm to crops in surrounding areas.

Non GMO crops are still FAR safer (statistically) than organic crop's, which are responsible for the vast majority of food bourne ilnness'.

"Crop safety", as I'm referring to it, has NOTHING to do with profit/loss. Long story short, I couldn't possibly care any less just how many people raise organic crops. It's just more uncompetitive acres I have to compete against.
 
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