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Billy Shafer 01-03-2013 10:36:50 173.184.37.65 Report to Moderator	Sad to hear. Why do they always tell you if the person had a seat belt on or not. Seat belts are not the great life saving device everyone thinks they are. I was in a wreck years ago. Where if I had had a seat belt on.I would not be here. Read about a wreck one time when I was in west Texas. Four people in the car. The only one that lived. Was the one with no seat belt. [Reply]   [No Email]
jon f mn 01-03-2013 16:03:47 70.199.192.206 Report to Moderator	Re: rrlund, others - Mail carrier dies in reply to Billy Shafer, 01-03-2013 10:36:50   Yes you can die with a seat belt on, but the odds are better than without. Everyone knows someone that died from having a seat belt on, just as everyone knows of someone who died because they didn't have it on. Had a cousin who died, she was nine months pregnant and on the way home from a doctors visit to see if it was coming soon, she wasn't wearing a belt because it was uncomfortable. She went off the gravel road and rolled and fell partially out and was crushed. Probably would have had minor injuries if any had she worn her belt. [Reply]  [No Email]
buickanddeere 01-03-2013 15:28:54 216.183.133.196 Report to Moderator	Re: rrlund, others - Mail carrier dies in reply to Billy Shafer, 01-03-2013 10:36:50   With all the real world statistics from labratory tests and real world crashes. The odds are overwhelmingly in your favour to properly wear a seatbelt. I'll take that hard data over somebody's opinion on the Internet. [Reply]  [No Email]
showcrop 01-03-2013 16:12:06 75.67.231.80 Report to Moderator	Re: rrlund, others - Mail carrier dies in reply to buickanddeere, 01-03-2013 15:28:54   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see And then there are the people who say they won't wear a seat belt because if they go off the road and into water they won't be able to get out and they will drown. Feb. 22 2006 I went off the interstate went air born and did enough damage to each of the six sides individually to total my truck but I was uninjured thanks to the seat belt and Ford Super Duty. [Reply]  [No Email]
Seat belts 01-03-2013 15:45:32 198.53.25.107 Report to Moderator	Re: rrlund, others - Mail carrier dies in reply to buickanddeere, 01-03-2013 15:28:54   They should take all the seat belts out of airplanes and race cars... In a few very specific situations a sealbelt has contributed to a death but it's a very low percentage. [Reply]  [No Email]
Brian G. NY 01-03-2013 14:08:45 64.22.46.132 Report to Moderator	Re: rrlund, others - Mail carrier dies in reply to Billy Shafer, 01-03-2013 10:36:50   Well Billy, there may be some cases where not wearing a seat belt in a serious accident "might" be for the better, but I dare say not in most cases! My son wrecked his '72 Gran Torino Sport when he was 18 at an estimated speed in excess of 125 MPH. Over a guard rail, down a 50 ft embankment and upside down on a frozen (thank God) pond. He broke off the Hurst shifter with his hip which caused him to limp some but other than that, nothing but minor cuts and scratches. He was drinking but, because of the influence of his driver ed teacher, he still had presence of mind enough to fasten his seat belt. The good thing (he's 50 now) he never ever drank and drove since then! Just so you know I'm not BSin, check out these pics. Only one wheel was not bent! [Reply]  [No Email]
Josh in Pa 01-03-2013 14:41:43 184.214.199.126 Report to Moderator	Re: rrlund, others - Mail carrier dies in reply to Brian G. NY, 01-03-2013 14:08:45   When I was 16 I had a serious accident. Blew every window out of the car, buckled the roof down, and the floor up. Tore the front wheels off the car, and the hood came back through the windshield. I was wearing my seat belt and walked away. I am a believer that seat belts save lives. Josh [Reply]  [No Email]
Billy Shafer 01-03-2013 14:20:49 173.184.37.65 Report to Moderator	Re: rrlund, others - Mail carrier dies in reply to Brian G. NY, 01-03-2013 14:08:45   Brian I am not saying they are of no use. I am sure they do save lives. But just because you have one on. Doesn't mean you are going to walk away from every wreck. Glad your son made it out.Glad he can live to be a grumpy old man like the rest of us. But some people think they are some kind of magic shield. I went to a friend of mines brothers funeral in 1973. He had built a car that was equal to a NASCAR stocker. Tried to out run the cops one day. Hit a bridge poll at around 150.From what the cop estimated he was doing. At the funeral I heard people say. Don't know why he was killed. He had his seatbelt on. [Reply]  [No Email]
Leroy 01-03-2013 11:05:51 69.88.205.38 Report to Moderator	Re: rrlund, others - Mail carrier dies in reply to Billy Shafer, 01-03-2013 10:36:50   Here in Ohio even with the seat belt law there is an exmption for postal workers and newspaper delivery personel while on the route. I know because I drove a rual paper route for over 15+ years. I was in some scarry situations. One time wating at cross road to turn left because of oncomming traffic a semi was not paying attention and did not try to slow till too late. He did not hit me but just barley and in hitting his bracks so hard he killed the engine and jacknifed the outfit. When I could complete my turn he got the truck restarted and took off. One of the other drivers sister worked for a neighboring paper and a young patrolman gave here a belt ticket. they went direct to the judje that got a hold of the post comander that in turn got hard on the young officer that was not going acording to the law. [Reply]  [No Email]
RayP(MI) 01-03-2013 12:53:43 207.241.137.116 Report to Moderator	Re: rrlund, others - Mail carrier dies in reply to Leroy, 01-03-2013 11:05:51   Michigan (where this happend,) also has an exemption for rural mail carriers in their seatbelt law. [Reply]  [No Email]
Leroy 01-03-2013 10:55:12 69.88.205.38 Report to Moderator	Re: rrlund, others - Mail carrier dies in reply to Billy Shafer, 01-03-2013 10:36:50   They do that to fudge the numbers so people will not know the truth because if the people did they would revolt and then the belt companys could not make any money and then the polititions could not get a kickback so they would not vote fore the things. I had a step cousin driving here soon to be husbands truck (he was a cousin on the other side) fresh paved black road at night with no gravel shoulder or paint markings in a rain storm, hit the edge and rolled the truck, was thrown out and seat belt still completely intact and supposedly working as it should. It broke her neck leaving the marks plainly what had killed her. Sister that was not belted in survived with just a broken pelvis. She could tell them what happened, did not have to guess. When the boyfriend-owner of the truck had to sign the report at the site of the wreck it was in about the belt causing here broken neck. When it came time to sign the final typewritten report it was all removed, questioned about it and told it was against the law to put anything negative in a report. Now if that isn't fudging the safty figures then what is? [Reply]  [No Email]
TomH in PA 01-03-2013 15:08:50 67.235.10.94 Report to Moderator	Re: rrlund, others - Mail carrier dies in reply to Leroy, 01-03-2013 10:55:12   My own experience is that seatbelts probably saved the lives of two of my daughters. They were in a car when a tire went flat and the car veered off the road and hit a culvert - flipped and landed on the roof - would"ve broken both their necks if they hadn"t been belted in. [Reply]  [No Email]