Feeding a few pigs to butcher question

Im wanting to get a few pigs this spring to raise and butcher. I figured I would just get the feed from the local owned feed mill. But my dad is a janitor at the middle school in town and said he could bring me a couple of 5 gallon buckets of food that the kids didnt eat at lunch everyday. Can I feed that to them without jeopardizing their health or the taste of their meat? Maybe feed and the leftovers both? Thanks for your honest input. Im sure I will have more questions!
 
From what I've heard garbage should be boiled before feeding, especially if there is any pork in it. I had the feed mill mix me hog feed it was cheaper and worked great. I let mine root as well.
 
You can feed them fresh slop and it won't hurt them or you when you eat the meat but, if you have always been used to corn fed pork the meat will definitly be different, also the rate of gain and dressing percentage will be negatively affected. I know people who still pick up the slop daily from the local schools, hospital and jail but they feed the breeding sows the slop and the market hogs are corn fed.
 
Im doing this as a hobby more or less! I raised a couple calves this last year and really enjoyed it. Im gonna get a couple more this spring but wanna try pigs also. I have always had pork from the store so I guess Im used to the corn fed pork flavor.
 
Used to be, in some States, feeding uncooked garbage to hogs was illegal. For good (health) reasons.
 
I would feed them ground feed free choice and you can throw in the other slop as well. They will just eat what they like more. The feed will provide a balanced diet for them, the rest is dessert!
 
Pork seems to take on the flavor of what ever they eat. I had a
friend that fed Carp fish to their pigs. When they cooked the bacon
the house smelled like fish and the bacon tasted like fish. I would
stick to corn for the feeder pigs if you want good tasting pork.

PS if you want a real treat feed them apples
 
It is illegal. The school cafeteria could be shut down for this violation and you could be fined.

I could give you the details but it is easier to just look it up. You end up having more money invested than what it is worth if you wanted to go the route of using cafeteria food.
 
Get the grain from the co-op and forget the garbage. It will cost a little more but you will be much happier with the results. Don't forget to worm them a couple of times too as they grow. I use to just get the small packets from TSC and add to their feed.
Thats just my honest opinion.
 
I just did a quick search and found this (Although it pertains to the the northeast part of the US)....

Here is the link:
http://www.farmingmagazine.com/article-4178.aspx

Farming Magazine - October, 2009
COLUMNS
Small Livestock: Feeding Food Waste to Swine
By Diane Wells

Back in the spring of this year, a farmer a couple of towns over from me made headlines. Teachers and parents at the school he had been collecting cafeteria scraps from for 30 years had decided to start a composting program, and his source of free pig food was about to dry up. A battle over the scraps ensued, but before an agreement could be reached, Vermont’s assistant state veterinarian, Dr. Michael Wood, weighed in and informed everyone that Vermont statute prohibits the school from supplying food waste to farmers who intend to dump it in their pig’s trough. Because the composting program would not start until the fall, the food scraps were tossed in the dumpster for the remainder of the school year. Meanwhile, the farmer slaughtered his pig.

You can imagine the stir this created.

What the newspaper articles failed to explain was why this practice of feeding cafeteria garbage to swine is no longer allowed in Vermont. Kitchen and plate waste often includes meat scraps, and the concern is those scraps, or any foods that come in contact with those scraps, can be disease carriers. This concern is not unfounded. In 2001, the United Kingdom experienced one of the worst outbreaks of foot and mouth disease in its history. The origin of the outbreak? A pig finishing unit on a farm licensed to feed processed waste food. It is not known whether the pigs consumed unprocessed or incorrectly processed food waste, or if the food waste was processed according to regulation and the virus managed to survive. Regardless, the virus made its way onto the farm and into the pigs via the waste. Between loads of live, contaminated pigs leaving the farm for slaughter and the virus’ airborne movement to an adjacent sheep farm, the disease spread. Before all was said and done, more than 2,000 cases of FMD were confirmed and over 6 million animals were culled to stop its spread.

African swine fever, brucellosis, foot and mouth disease, hog cholera, pseudorabies and swine vesicular disease can be transmitted to pigs via infected food waste. A number of pathogens can also be transmitted (campylobacter, salmonella, toxoplasma and trichinella) along with intestinal parasites such as roundworms and tapeworms. In recognition of this, the 1980 Swine Health Protection Act was written, which stipulates garbage must undergo a heat-treatment before it is fed to swine, and the person operating the garbage treatment facility must be licensed. Garbage is defined as “all waste material derived in whole or in part from the meat of any animal (including fish and poultry) or other animal material, and other refuse of any character whatsoever that has been associated with any such material, resulting from the handling, preparation, cooking or consumption of food.” The term “garbage” does not include ordinary household waste fed to swine on the premises where the household is located. Those types of situations are exempt from the heat-treatment requirement.

The heat-treatment involves heating the waste to boiling (212 degrees Fahrenheit) or higher and holding it for at least 30 minutes. The boiling waste must also be agitated for those 30 minutes to ensure all food materials do indeed reach disease-killing temperatures. Industrially processed products, such as pet foods or foods canned for human consumption that contain meat or refuse that has had contact with meat, must also be treated. But, if a product was processed to prevent spoilage or add shelf stability (i.e., cooked to a temperature of 167 degrees Fahrenheit for at least 30 minutes or undergone an equivalent level of processing that inactivates disease organisms), it does not have to undergo further treatment. And, certain other foods are exempt from the treatment and license requirements: bakery waste, candy waste, pasteurized dairy products, rendered products, fruit and vegetables, eggs, fish from the Atlantic Ocean within 200 miles of the continental United States or Canada, and fish from inland waters of the United States or Canada that do not flow into the Pacific Ocean. In theory, these products do not contain contaminated meat, nor have they had contact with contaminated meat.

These are the federal regulations, but a number of states have imposed more stringent laws that take precedent. Many agricultural leaders, researchers and veterinarians argue feeding garbage, even heat-treated garbage, to swine is risky and a threat to this country’s livestock industry. The 2001 FMD outbreak in the UK supports this argument. In all, there are 21 states that have made it illegal to feed garbage, treated or untreated, to swine or supply it to others with the intention of feeding it to swine. In the Northeast, New York has held this position since 1975; Vermont since 2002. Again, these rules apply to commercial farms. They do not apply to swine on your farm that you are feeding your household waste to and that you and others in your household intend to consume. Other Northeastern states (Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Pennsylvania) permit the feeding of garbage to swine as long as it has been heat-treated and the person feeding the treated garbage is licensed.

In 2007, there were 2,722 licensed garbage feeders in the United States. It’s estimated they fed 293,330 tons of food waste to swine that ended up representing .12 percent of that year’s total swine market. It will be interesting to watch these numbers over the coming years, as the human population increases, more food composting programs take hold and energy costs continue to rise. One thing is for certain, we need to make sure this waste goes somewhere other than the dumpster. In this country, about one-fourth of the food produced for human consumption is thrown away and it’s costing us about $1 billion a year to dispose of it.
 
The cheapest way to feed them is to go to a consignment sale, or wherever, and buy an old hog feeder. They go for scrap price so maybe $25 will buy one. Then feed them ground feed through the feeder and have it adjusted down so they aren't rooting feed out on the ground. A feed store should help you with the ration. Jim
 
What I do with mine is in a small pasture is start them on a medicated pig starter ration. Once they get to about 100 lbs I go over to a grower/finisher and carcked corn. The meat is fantastic! I raise 20-40 a year both for us and for sale. Been doing this about 5 years.

Rick
 
Just goes to show you how the gov thinks and how and where people have learned to throw away any thing even if it is good enough to be used by most any body else who would use it. Throw it away they can always make more
 
OLD- Here are the USDA reasons for not using 'waste' food...

"Swine Health Protection Act

The Swine Health Protection Act (SHPA) regulates food waste containing any meat products fed to swine. Compliance with this act ensures that all food waste fed to swine is properly treated to kill disease organisms. Raw meat may transmit numerous infectious or communicable diseases to swine. Raw meat can transmit exotic animal diseases such as foot-and-mouth disease, African swine fever, classical swine fever, and swine vesicular disease. In accordance with the SHPA and Federal regulations, food waste containing meat may only be fed to swine if it has been treated to kill disease organisms. The links below contain information on the SHPA, regulations, participating states, cooking standards and licensing procedures.
•Swine Health Protection Code of Federal Regulations
•Swine Hhealth Protection Act Garbage Feeding Final Rule
•Interim Rule on Processed Products - April 3, 2009 (pdf 72kb)
•Swine Health Protection Act State Permit / Prohibit Status Map"

BTW, here is a link the the USDA website:

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/animal_dis_spec/swine/
 
Illegal to feed garbage ? That may very well be true - I do not
know.

I do know swine will by nature, eat their own excrement.

How in the world, could garbage be less healthy than feces ?

Just sayin....

In case you were wondering, I am planning on pork sausage
and eggs for breakfast Saturday morning.
 
Eric in IL- Heck, my hogs eat coal like it's candy! LOL

Here is the link to the USDA regulation (all 947 pages)..

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2002-title9-vol1/pdf/CFR-2002-title9-vol1.pdf
 
Just so you know, garbage is NOT hog slop. Slop for hogs is made of wheat shorts-or some call it wheat middlings and water. Good shorts are arond 14-16% protein and very good feed. Mix at 3 gal. of shorts in a 5 gal. bucket,fill w/water & stir up. Cant be the whole ration, you still need to feed a ground feed or a fattener pellet for about half their diet, a lot of work but they will gain really fast. Also don't forget to worm them a time or 2.
 
Oh I do understand thing like that but I also know there is so much waste in this nation that it starts in D.C. and filters on down. Some regs are good but some are just plain out of hand which is the point I was trying to make
 
Just so you know, there are different terms used in various areas of the country, where I come from food refuse is ''slop'', what you describe is ''shorts'', as feeds, neither one beats corn, soybean meal and pasture in my opinion.
 
OLD- You have the right to believe whatever you want to. Myself, I will put more faith in science than someone who thinks it is Okay because my Grandpa, Dad and I did/do it. Just look up Louis Pasteur.

I have tried to show the Federal Guidelines to you and also gave a link to them.


Do you really feel that the chance of spreading "foot-and-mouth disease, African swine fever, classical swine fever, and swine vesicular disease." is worth saving a few bucks?

Let alone all other fines associated with them?
 
You missed my point. At this point it has nothing to do with the school food it has to do with just plain and simple waster from D.C. down. Ya they probably should not feed the waste food to the pigs but they also should not dump it in a dumpster and then haul it to a land fill along with cans and bottle and what ever else people want to throw away. Things like waste food and such should be used for things like compos and other such things that can turn it into something that can be used not just abused. At no point did I say it was good ok or any other thing about feeding it to hogs I was making a plead for the fact to much from D.C. on down is wasted and just plain and simple thrown away
 
Perfectly legal to feed hogs waste if its cooked and the regulations only apply to hogs that are being sold to the public the owners are free to feed anything they want if they butcher and eat the meat themsleves.
 
I can't stand the tasteless pork that's sold in grocery stores so I raise a few hogs and kill them myself.The way I raise them to killing weight is turn them loose in a 35 acre field thats well fenced and has various things growing in it like Persimmon and Oak trees so in the Fall they fatten up on Persimmons and Acorns and I supplement with some of my corn and pull turnips for them.Some trouble and work but the sausage,hams and other meat off these hogs are well worth it.
 
It's not illegal to feed pigs your OWN kitchen waste. It IS illegal to feed them kitchen waste from other sources without boiling it first.

Here's the LAW from 1980:


http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2002-title9-vol1/pdf/CFR-2002-title9-vol1-chapI-subchapL.pdf

The important bit is this:

"except that such term shall not
include waste from ordinary household
operations which is fed directly to
swine on the same premises where such
household is located."

You can feed your own kitchen waste to your hogs, but you CANNOT feed your neighbors kitchen waste to your hogs. You can buy expired food product from the grocery and feed them to your hogs BUT ONLY IF THEY ARE STILL PACKAGED FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. Any other waste, you will have to cook/boil according to the guidelines laid out in that federal law (SHPA).
 
> How in the world, could garbage be less healthy than feces ?

The reason for the law is to prevent parasite transmission.
 
Local word usage! In the military we oftentimes called all of the chow SLOP! The cooks were called SLOP SLINGERS. Oh, I was a slop slinger in Company Charlie.
 
Back when I was in ag school (early 70s), the nearby state mental institute had a farm that raised hogs, cattle and chickens for the residents. They fed the cooked garbage to the hogs but they were turned around and fed back to the residents so it was a closed loop. The school took over the farm and the garbage feeding ended, and soon after, the facility itself was closed. I often wondered what happened to some of the folks there, most were severely retarded and many physically handicapped too (some really, really bad... those sights we saw on a tour still haunt me today).
 
No, you're missing the point. Take a drive out west and eat a steak or pork chop that was fed open range. Then go to your local locker in the midwest and compare. There is no comparrison. If you want to eat fatty pork fed garbage, go ahead. There's a reason and Greg 1959 pointed it out.
 
You also missed by a mile. I did not ay the should feed the school waste to the pig in any of my statements learn to read before you jump on some one I was just pointing out there where things that could and should be done with things other then just dump it in a land fill when will you people learn how ro read I was FLAT out talking about the waste not the feeding of pig
 

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