Deisel acting strangely

rocko · Dec 22, 2012

Post this on Oliver forum, figured to try here also.I've been searching archives for some thing simalar to my problem with no success. First this is a 1550, indirect injection diesel and this problem has just started recently say over the last 2-3 wks progressively becoming worse. I park it in a heated shop, temp kept just about 5 degrees above 0 . When I first start it and it starts easily with about 10 sec preheat, it smokes alot with white to blueish coulor and is unresponsive to throtle, won't rev up. After I start it I move it out of shop and allow to warm up, as it warms up I will be able to increase revs but when I do there is a knock I hear in engine, no knock I can hear if left at low revs say 1000 RPM As It warms more I can increase revs say to 1500 with out hearing knock. After running say 20 min to half hour smoking has cleared up and can increase revs to 1900 to 2000 with out hearing knock. Haven't done any investigating at this point. Seems to me to be a fuel problem either pump or injectors, possibley valves. From archives figuring to go out pull exhaust manifold and see which cylinder(s) are smoking when its cold. May have to wait for it to cool as just finished feeding. Any other sugjestion as to where to start looking would be apprieciated as I use this tractor every day for feeding and can't aford for it to go down completely. Thanks Rocko.

wilson ind · Dec 22, 2012

5 degrees above o is still 27 degrees below freezing which is 32 unless you are using centegrate!!!

rocko · Dec 22, 2012

(quoted from post at 10:10:22 12/22/12) 5 degrees above o is still 27 degrees below freezing which is 32 unless you are using centegrate!!!

Yes talking centigrate, Im in Canada, and outside my shop right now it is - 15 centigrate, not sure what that translates into in farenheit. Rocko.

El Toro · Dec 22, 2012

That converts to 5 °F. Hal

IaGary · Dec 22, 2012

-15 C is about 0 F give or take a few degrees.

Sounds like a timing issue to me.

Gary

ss55 · Dec 22, 2012

Temperature in degrees F = degrees C times 9/5 plus 32.

Temperature in degrees C = degrees F times 5/9 minus 32.

+5C X 9/5 +32 = 9 +32 = +41 F

-15C X 9/5 +32 = -27 +32 = +5F

0C = +32F, freezing water

100C = +212F, boiling water

-40C = -40F, way too cold for me.

jddriver · Dec 22, 2012

sounds like fuel trying to gel up and incomplete combustion

Aaron SEIA · Dec 22, 2012

Sounds like you need new fuel filters and some Diesel 911 to me. I think it's gelling. Also need to find some straight #1 diesel to put in.
AaronSEIA

flying belgian · Dec 22, 2012

I gotta agree with Asron. I think it is the
filters.

guido · Dec 22, 2012

Hello Rocko,
You just have a cold induced problem for the most part.
White smoke and blue smoke at start up is mostly normal. Once the fuel heat up it seems to get going pretty good. Most of your symptoms would go away, if you only heated the engine with a plug in block heater. You don't see any major problems with you diesel.............. JUST COLD!
Guido.

buickanddeere · Dec 22, 2012

Plug in the block heater .You are not saving any money letting a cold engine incompletely burn fuel for 20-30 minutes before using the machine. Not to mention the extra stress on the electrical components . Extra cylinder wall and ring wear too.
Has some goof been hammering this engine with ether?

Tramway Guy · Dec 22, 2012

Try preheating it a little more. Also try hitting the heat when it's running to see if it helps any. If it does get better, then it is simply just 'cold'. If it doesn't get better, I would go along with the fuel or filter problem...

rocko · Dec 22, 2012

Thanks for your reply's. First I did break fuel line at pump not a gelling issue my opinion judging by rate of flow. Then I pulled exhaust manifold, engine hadn't cooled completely yet so fired up with no preheat, thats LOUD inside shop. Smoking bad from back 4 cyl nothing from 1 or 2, moved out and left run as warmed 6 cleared up while later 3 clear up then 5. 4 sorta clear but not completely. Pulled back in shop and shut off 4 had wisp of smoke for some time after shut off. UNburnt fuel?? Came in and looked in archives again then read further posts. Went back to shop and turned up heat, plugged in block heater and will see if cold engine is problem. I hope you are right though shop is always kept at that temp if not working out there, been this cold previously and didn't notice problem then. As I said thanks for your reply's, even enjoyed the lesson on Celsius to Farenheit conversion. B&D I'll give you the benifit of the doubt and figure your also trying to be helpfull though not sure where you got your Comunication skills. Not sure what idiot you were refering to but no shes never seen ether since she was rebuilt 2 yrs ago. THANKS again all. Rocko.

old harv · Dec 22, 2012

Plus 5 C is not very cold. (41 F). Just a wild guess, but do you use a fuel conditioner to compensate for the lack of sulfer in diesel they make these days? I use a lucas fuel conditioner, but I think 2 cycle oil works well to. It lubricates the fuel system the way the sulfer used to. I use about 1/2 cup per 20 gallons. However, I have seen older diesels that made a lot of smoke and noise at that temp, but that was normal for them. If your tractor just started doing this, something is wrong.

Anonymous-0 · Dec 22, 2012

Temp has nothing to do with it, thats not even close to being cold, those who say it does gots rocks in their head! you have something else wrong. I have been starting deisels in cold weather for many years.

buickanddeere · Dec 22, 2012

What kind of service did the injectors receive? Sounds suspiciously of worn tips and lower than spec spray pressure.
I re-checked the dictionary. There are clear distinctions between goof and idiot.
What part of Canada?

John B. · Dec 22, 2012

Disconnect all your glow plugs and check each one individually with a test lite or ohm meter. Glow plugs can test good but be bad. They may not heat up in the correct spot of their tip. Our old IH 560 diesel did that for years. We never had any problem with it. It was my dad's main tractor! We did have a block heater on the side of the engine that heated the coolant. Heating the coolant is best. It gets in the head where combustion takes place.

johndeereman · Dec 22, 2012

I'm having a similar problem with my 02 f250 power stroke if I plug it in works fine but if not it runs rough till warmed up. I'm in Pennsylvania this all started shortly after hurricane sand come through I blamed it on the fuel since all refineries and such on the east coast shut down and obviously they have to get it somewhere else. Just my thought

SDE · Dec 22, 2012

Could you be having problems with water in your fuel due to condensation caused by moving in and out of a heated area?
SDE

Pete in MD · Dec 22, 2012

ss55,
Probably just a typo error but, Temperature in degrees C = degrees F minus 32, times 5/9

Don-Wi · Dec 22, 2012

John B- Olivers only have 1 heater in the intake, not actual glow plugs. If it works, it works. If not, it doesn't. I would lean towards the fuel filters if it's been 2 years since they've been replaced. Could be gelling, and as it warms up the gelling goes away until it gets cold again. Try some additive.

Donovan from Wisconsin

rocko · Dec 23, 2012

B&D, the fuel delivery side got no attention when rebuild was done. Not that I didn't think it needed it but due to funds and time issues. Your point on worn injectors tips is very possible as this tractor has 7600 or so hrs. I only know its history for the last 800. Also thinking possibely fuel cells as this is indirect injection though from what I've read problems with these is rare. I was thinking to switch a couple injectors and see if the "smoke" when cool moves with them. Not sure if its related but on injector pump there is a small cover over a sight glass used in setting timing. I'd have to read more to tell you exactly how but point is that when I removed cover fuel ran out which I dont think its supposed to. Glass seems intact but seals gone. Metal cover seals it but was thinking it could maybe suck air here??? Probably should have been looking into replacement or reconditioning of injectors long ago but I am where I am. Any input aprieciated. Rocko BTW Alberta and I got pretty thick skin. Used to being $h!t on by you "EASTERN SCUM".

buickanddeere · Dec 23, 2012

(quoted from post at 11:13:21 12/23/12) B&D, the fuel delivery side got no attention when rebuild was done. Not that I didn't think it needed it but due to funds and time issues. Your point on worn injectors tips is very possible as this tractor has 7600 or so hrs. I only know its history for the last 800. Also thinking possibely fuel cells as this is indirect injection though from what I've read problems with these is rare. I was thinking to switch a couple injectors and see if the "smoke" when cool moves with them. Not sure if its related but on injector pump there is a small cover over a sight glass used in setting timing. I'd have to read more to tell you exactly how but point is that when I removed cover fuel ran out which I dont think its supposed to. Glass seems intact but seals gone. Metal cover seals it but was thinking it could maybe suck air here??? Probably should have been looking into replacement or reconditioning of injectors long ago but I am where I am. Any input aprieciated. Rocko BTW Alberta and I got pretty thick skin. Used to being $h!t on by you "EASTERN SCUM".

Don't blame me for the federal Liberals out of Quebec running the country for 30+ years and running their agenda. No treat for Ontario either unless you were in Toronto, Ottawa and a few eastern counties.
Consider yourself lucky to have the current Federal Government even though the Government Agencies and civil employees are loyal to French Quebec.
Try rural Omtario? No provincial seats what so ever held by the abundant government. Province entirely represented by the cities. Provincial funding , grants, programs and business has been canceled as punishment. Even solar power and payments of lottery money to the horse tracks have been cut.
So blame Montreal, Quebec City , Hull and Ottawa for your problems.
Why did you IP address trace to Woodstock Ontario?

rocko · Dec 23, 2012

No big deal B&D, I was just kidding you, we don't really hate all a you out there. We got goof's and idiots out this way also. Our current Prov Gov although they call them selfs P.C.s are about as RED and left leaning as could be. Woodstock???? Got no idea, South east Alberta RED NECK RANCHING country. Rocko

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