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BANDITFARMER

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This one makes me mad every time I have to get some. Just Got a letter from the company I buy from that states that they will be adding a new fee to there list, I now have to pay for the safty training for there employees as well as new transtortation fees. If that is not bad enough they now go buy your credit score to set the price you pay even if you pay cash or check at delivery. I can not own my own tank and have them fill it you have to use there tank and pay a rental and maintance fee, Go 75 miles north of me and you can own your own tank and have anyone fill it. What a racket! They act like I should pay for everything in there company so they can make pure proffit! The company I had before sent me a bill that had a "New equipment fee" I called to find out what it was and was told its for new trucks and tanks and building repairs! I told them to come get there tank WE ARE DONE! They once missed me for a delivery the day they were on the route(called in and set up the week before) and I didnt have enough to go another week and wanted me to pay $55 more for a special delivery fee. I told them you made the mistake and now you want me to pay for it, No Way! They buought it and didnt charge me the fee. There is a cost to be in business to sell a product just dont expect me to pay for it all. Bandit
 
Well, the mandated fees you can"t help. Blame those on your governor/legistlature/burecrats. Poorly managed company is another matter. Sounds you may have to call around and find another company. Around here there are a number of suppliers to choose from. Price competition is also a factor.
 
The propane supplier I use, Northwest Energy - Michigan, was just bought out by Inergy or something like that. I received a new fee sheet just as you state, fees are almost tripled from before.

I am going to talk to them on Monday. I had planned to set a big tank to replace 2 smaller ones. May have to rethink my plan.

Rick
 
Pure crapp! Where are you located? Hope that never happens here. Just priced L P G this week ,$ 1.64 a gal. in central OK. My tank.clint
 
My friend just went thru that with Northworst. He buys 20,000 gal at a time and prepays for it. They started jacking him around on price and delivery fees. The straw that broke the camels back is when they charged him for a load never brought! He caught them dead to right,and called them on the carpet. There standard response NOT US. We switched to Corrigan and told him right off the bat No loyalty ,treat us good and well buy if not somebody else will. This is also in Mi.
 
My fill last week was $3.49. I am in southern Indiana. I talked to a friend and he showed his last bill from 1 week earlier with a different supplier and his is $1.89. There is no way they can justify that much difference, both local. I have been with them over 38 years and my friend has been with his supplier for over 16 years.
 
the "fees" might not be mandated by the government, some operators find it easy to quote you a low price/gallon and then add fees to make their money. It's business if you let the vendor abuse you they will. Some of it is legacy from the propane supplier owning the equipment and building the ownership and maintenance into the price of fuel, well it becomes easier to abuse the customer.

How to stop it? Own your own equipment have enough friends living close buy that between yourselves you can take a whole truckload from some other vendor. If the local guys conspire to keep prices unnaturally high call around and find someone willing to bring in a full truck load that you ad-hoc Co-Op will buy for cash.

If you're lucky maybe you can find a Farmer or poultry grower that buys mass quantities of LP and CO-OP with them on their purchases.

Maybe you acquire several large tanks and put them in battery and buy off season.
 
I just had some of my 1.79 prepaid delivered. I asked what the current cash price was and it was 1.79 too. They said it would be going up as winter set in but they have had my money for 6 months. It "s a gamble either way but prepaid has usually saved me money. I own my tank and am in south central Indiana. You should shop around for a better price.
 
I don't use propane, but the 3 ag coops I deal with it is a big portion of their fuel divisions.

At meetings and so forth, I get the impression they bend over backwards to work with the farm customers, and make things a little tougher for the homeowner customers. Again from the meetings, I get the impression farmers buy in volume, are easier to schedule fillups and deal with monthly billing along with the rest of the farm stuff.

Homeowners they have a different price for, and seems they have more hassle with and that hassle costs the coop more time and money.

So that could be some of it.

But, man, I'd be upset & disappointed if I got the phantom fees and goofs you all are getting. Not right.

Years ago my fuel coop had independent drivers for the gas/diesel/heating fuel, they collected the money, and paid the coop, driver owned his own truck, that kinda deal.

All of a sudden that all changed, coop bought out the trucks, and drivers were hired drivers. Came to find out, one of the newer drivers had figured a way to skim fuel off the deliveries, was cheating customers. So the coop changes systems pretty quick. Didn't affect me so I don't know the details, but was a deal.

--->Paul
 
I own my own tank, bought last tankful at $1.25, no fees if over 300 gallons per delivery.

Find another supplier.
 
Received a letter from my propane supplier a few months ago notifing me that they are adding a surcharge to the next fill because I "don't use enough propane". Just purchased a 500 gal tank. Can wait until I get another letter or a surcharge. We will continue to conserve energy in any way we can.
 
FYI,Inergy is based in Kansas City,and has bought out over 100 small Propane Suppliers since 1996,they charge as much as the traffic will bear!!I changed suppliers twice because Inergy bought out the supplier I had!!!
 
Is there a federal law limiting the age of a tank? My 1,000 gal tank has a mfg date of 1949 on it. When they came out to "inspect" and replace my regulators that were over five years old, they also wanted to convince me that my tank was too old to fill.
Anybody know anything about this?
 
Where do you look to buy your own propane tank? Unless someone has an extra one sitting around not being used,you pretty much are stuck with a propane company tank.
I don"t know of any used propane tank dealers in our neck of the woods. I"d like to buy my own tank,..just don"t know of any out here locally for sale. I guess I"ll have to look harder and maybe spot one not being used and buy from a private owner.
 
(quoted from post at 22:50:17 12/13/12) Where do you look to buy your own propane tank? Unless someone has an extra one sitting around not being used,you pretty much are stuck with a propane company tank.
I don"t know of any used propane tank dealers in our neck of the woods. I"d like to buy my own tank,..just don"t know of any out here locally for sale. I guess I"ll have to look harder and maybe spot one not being used and buy from a private owner.
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You could put a want ad on Craigs List. I've seen a couple for sale through the years.
 
Just remember, those training fees, surcharges, increased land and school taxes, increased wages for employees, INCREASED HEALTH CARE FEES- it all get's passed on tot he consumer. The company you propane dealer buys from passes their costs onto your dealer, etc. So every time you applaud another grant or entitlement or program, your hitting yourself in the pocketbook.
 
I get hammered on my propane because we only use it to cook, and use under 100 gallons a year. My last delivery was $4.99/gallon. That is almost as much as it would cost me if I just went to town and bought grill tanks. We have been using the wood cook stove as much as possible since the weather turned cool,use it to heat the kitchen end of the house most of the time anyway, but making sure it is running at breakfast and supper now. I bet my spring delivery will be less than ten gallons, take that.

It would actually bother me less if they charged a separate delivery fee, even if the total was the same amount.
 
Propane around here is about a buck and a half a gallon, in your 5 gallon tank. Can't believe you're paying $4.99.
 
The propane people are about as bad as the fuel oil people now. Dad just got his fuel oil bill and about fliped, $3.96 a gallon for delivery + fuel ser charge on delivery + Safty and Has-Mat fee and a few more. What a joke! Its even worse for farm diesel, Have one place to go (15 miles away) and get it from on Tuesday and Thursday from 8 to noon only and you can only get 100 gallon per truck per DOT. A local company started buying up bulk plants and small fuel suppliers a few years ago and most of the time closing them up. They will bring farm diesel to you as long as its 150 gallon or more at $60 a load (plus other fees and fuel cost)for 150 gallon to a truck load. I think there trying to have a Monopoly around hear. They got you no matter what. Bandit
 
That is hard to belive considering how far north you are. Here in my little 25,000 county there are three sellers of propane tanks. We have three one thousand gal tanks here on the farm. Two for the shops and one for house. Summer fill was $ 1.23 cents gallon. Another reason for me liking living in Tennessee.
 
We had trouble with the company Brad K mentioned.....We were on level pay one winter, the next we payed as we went and used half the lp some how. Then they sent a new driver who filled the tank on a cold day before a 40 degree warm up the next. The relief valve blew and we lost 500 gallon. They thought I was going to pay for the lost fuel and the refill...I didn't. Then when we bought the farm where we now live I told them to come get the tank and pump out what was in it and refund me the difference. Took 3 months to get a check, I called in and asked to talk to the supervisor 3 times, was told "I'm sorry he's out of the office". The 4th time I asked "where is he, out playing golf with my money?" He came on the line real quick and the check came 3 days later.The tank came with the farm where we live now and a local supplier fills it, 200 gallon minimum but no bs charges and they deliver within 24 hours.
 
Buy your own tank and then call around see who is cheapest on their fuel. I know that southern Ohio is terrible on Propane prices compared to what I give here. My wife has family that lives in Winchester. They have all switched over to Winchester Ag. Service. They will fill your tank for 30-40% less than what Blue Flame/Ferrell gas will.

Here are some suppliers listed for your area. These all are within 17 miles of Blanchester. Surly one of them would not be chargeing you all the fees and would fill your own tank.

Suburban Propane 513) 722-7340

Blue Flame (937) 364-2612

Collett Propane (937) 382-1624

Southwest Landmark Inc (937) 382-1633

AmeriGas Propane (877) 413-1261

Tri-County Propane Inc (513) 583-1868
 
(quoted from post at 14:50:17 12/13/12) Where do you look to buy your own propane tank? Unless someone has an extra one sitting around not being used,you pretty much are stuck with a propane company tank.
I don"t know of any used propane tank dealers in our neck of the woods. I"d like to buy my own tank,..just don"t know of any out here locally for sale. I guess I"ll have to look harder and maybe spot one not being used and buy from a private owner.
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I was with Ferrell gas and switched for most of the reasons mentioned. I bought my tank (500 gallon) from the new supplier and paid $1200, installed, actually I think I should have shopped around for a better price on the tank. Remember, you will most likely need someone to install the new tank with new regulators and then leak test the system. This year I purchased gas from another supplier for $1.15 per gallon a savings of 50 cents per gallon.

I am simply amazed at the vast difference in propane dealers as to how they treat you and the prices they try to charge.
 
the only fee i paid for propane was the leak test .... other than that they fill the tank for the price of gas as long as its over 200 gal

we own the tank

paul
 
Here in NY a few years ago Suburban was tacking on lots of charges and got the attention of the local tv station which did some investigating. Between the bad air time and the AG's office they had to mail out a LOT of refunds.
 
".... convince me that my tank was too old to fill."
It could be possible. Some of the old tanks can not be fitted with a new pressure relief valve.
 
I looked into changing to propane from fuel oil a couple of weeks ago. I can buy a 500 gal tank, and put it in for about $1100. Propane is $1.38/gal. Fuel oil is $3.64/gal., guess what I'm going to do?
 
Thanks for the heads up. I will know more when I talk to them on Monday. Ferrelgas is another supplier around here, with their reputation, I bet staying with Inergy would be better.

Rick
 
If you're in an area that has Natural Gas you might want to check out the prices vs. propane. Here in Southern Nevada where we have a 60 inch Natural Gas pipeline, N.G. is a whole lot cheaper than Propane, but do you think we could get it here where I live (80 miles away) NO WAY, not in THIS lifetime!
 
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