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| Nancy Howell
11-15-2012 12:52:50
144.162.48.145
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Sad statistic - a police officer dies in the line of duty somewhere in the US every 54 hours.Never realized it was that bad.
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| Bret4207
11-17-2012 04:55:49
64.19.90.196
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| And your point is? When is the last time a Miss. Senator or Representative got drunk, crashed a car, left his passenger to drown and never even apologized for it but got reelected for 40 some years till he died? Whens the last time a Miss. Sen or Rep went to VN, got some very, very questionable medals, came back and protested the war by throwing someone else's medals over the WH wall, changed his name so his initials would be "JFK", made liberal use of Botox, and then campaigned for President on his honesty? I'm glad the people of Mass have good teeth, but that doesn't explain their choices in political representation, especially since so much of our fight for freedom from oppressive rule from Britain occurred in Mass.
That was my point.
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| American
11-16-2012 15:28:45
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| | Just one more fact.... Mississippi gets back $1.84 for every tax dollar their citizens send to the federal government. Massachusetts gets back $.79 for every dollar in taxes they pay to the federal government. Yep, someone is retarded here...maybe both..but for different reasons.
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| American
11-16-2012 15:21:43
98.19.145.157
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| | As Joe Friday used to say.."Just the facts Maam....just the facts." Is there a message here? who should we follow as our leader? STATE RANKINGS AND VOTING PATTERN
MS Mississippi versus MA Massachusetts
Obesity Highest % obese MS #1 - MA #48
Smokers Highest % smokers MS #7 - MA #48
Highest % adults with tooth loss MS #4 MA #45
Lowest % college graduates in population MS #5 MA #50
Highest % high school drop-outs MS#1 MA#26
Highest Illegitamacy/teen pregnancy rate MS#1 MA#41
Lowest median Income MS#1 MA # 47
Voting Color Mississippi "R" red since 1980
Massachusetts "D" blue since 1988
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| Bret4207
11-16-2012 14:55:08
64.19.90.196
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| Agreed on Mitt, not bad at all. It's the Kennedys, Kerrys, Barney Franks etc, that make ya wonder.
This post was edited by Bret4207 at 14:55:27 11/16/12.
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| NEBeef
11-16-2012 13:19:24
24.181.236.108
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| my son is a police officer in the state of MA, and I also can't believe the attitude of some people here. Yes there's good cops and bad cops, like every other profession. And while it may not be the most dangerous job by the statistics, how many other jobs are there where people are deliberately wanting to do you harm?
As for MA electing retards, I think you're being a little hard on Mitt, aren't you? :)
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| Bret4207
11-16-2012 13:07:39
64.19.90.196
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Re: Sad in reply to Billy NY, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see
Walt, I never complained about the danger, in fact I never knew anyone that did. But every time some one started talking about fishing or logging or whatever being so much more dangerous, I would just note that there has never been a recorded instance of a fisherman going to help an abused fish and arresting the fishes husband only to have Mrs. Fish turn on the fisherman and stab him or shoot him.
Sometimes you have to compare apples to apples instead of comparing apples to milk jugs.
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| Bret4207
11-16-2012 13:03:59
64.19.90.196
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Re: Sad in reply to Tom in TN, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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I was a cop for 23 years, I was never in favor of gun control, in fact I ran an anti gun control website for some time. I can think of exactly one person on my job I knew out of about 125-150 people I knew well enough to talk about it with that was anti-gun. All the rest were either pro gun or at least pro Constitution.
Maybe your problem is living in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts. BTW- I took specialty training at your SP Academy in Braintree, real good guys, nice local folks too. Never figured out why the state elects so many retards.
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| rick kr
11-16-2012 09:15:48
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| Question? How do I rank? I fly, in a helicopter which is supposedly more dangerous than an airplane, number 3 on the list. I farm, number 7 on the list. And I drive metro Detroit every day for my job that pays. I guess I am a little safer now that they have arrested the I-96 shooter.
Rick
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| Edd in KY
11-16-2012 08:51:46
98.19.145.157
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| | This is the umpteenth time I have seen the real statistic: 4.Refuse and recyclable material collectors most dangerous government job? Garbage collector.
More garbage men die collecting your trash than policemen keeping you safe. But,did you ever see a 5 mile long tribute parade with bagpipes and flags at half mast for a fallen refuse worker? Just depends on who wants to use the data for a publicity campaign. Here in Lexington 37% of the police force retires early on disability...national average is 6%. Does that smell fishY?
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| KReevesTx
11-16-2012 06:48:21
174.229.192.91
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| I truly can't believe the disrespect and lack of gratitude for police officers show in some of your posts. There are some bad cops I'm well aware BUT I would say that there are far more really good men on the job. True enough these men chose this career but still deserve a pat on the back for the danger they face daily and sacrifices they and their family make throughout a career. They are not the enemy. I never knew a cop that was FOR gun control. I never knew a cop who didn't believe in the rights and protections guaranteed us by the Constitution. I know there are some bad apples but come on guys. Sorry for the rant. K Reeves, on the job 21 yrs in Texas
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| MarkB_MI
11-16-2012 04:07:35
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| | The numbers on this site seem to be as good as any. Works about to about one LEO death every three days. Roughly forty percent were vehicle fatalities, with a similar number of shootings; the remainder being "other causes". Statistically, law enforcement is a relatively safe profession, here are the 10 deadliest jobs: 1.Fishers and related fishing workers
2.Logging workers
3.Aircraft pilot and flight engineers
4.Refuse and recyclable material collectors
5.Roofers
6.Structural iron and steel workers
7.Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers
8.Drivers/sales workers and truck drivers
9.Electrical power-line installers and repairers
10.Taxi drivers and chauffeurs
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| dbernie
11-15-2012 19:40:09
70.194.73.178
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| My thoughts for what they're worth--
I had the Nads to join up for Desert Storm,
But aint got the Gonads to be a cop.
First guy reached for his driver's license
I'd blow away by mistake.
There's tough jobs, farming is at the top for danger,
but I, personally, couldn't be a cop, and I appreciate their service.
They got politics pressure from the top and street pressure from the bottom.
Don't know how those Gentlemen can do that job.
That's just me thinkin, tho.
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| wisbaker
11-15-2012 19:19:37
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| I used to have respect for the police, but then I took a job with the county and had to put up with their unionized crybaby tactics and leadership that kisses their overpaid unionized backsides to get their endorsement so he can get re-elected. The cop mantra if you want something lie, if challenged pull out your big union card and poop all over the person that challenged you and don't worry your cop buddies will lie to cover your back side. It's no wonder our county leads the state and nation for unsolved murders per capita. Someone drives across the law center law, tearing it all to heck, in front of a video camera and they can't solve it. Why- it hould be easy was a black Crown Vic with official tags, there is only 22 of those in the county, all owned by the same organization. Gee wonder who drives those? They're almost as bad as the USAF SPS (Security Police Squadron, A.K.A the stupid people squadron) don't get me going about the stuff they'd try to pull on me. Although it was fun when I had a special logistics missions to support and our out of town guests would make it clear that 1- the SPS is going to follow the rules and 2- deadly force was authorized and they had no qualms about shooting any SPs that were out of line. and 3- Anytime they have had to fire on a SP we usually got new cop and CSG commanders within 24 hours. It's precious to see the look on their little SP faces when they're looking down the barrel of a Gau-5 and told to drop their weapon and move away from the truck. It really messes with them when they find out they're not in control. It's even funnier when we find out the shift commanders that attended mission pre-brief weren't the ones scheduled to work the mission.
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| LAA
11-15-2012 18:33:25
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| That number does not sound right, even if it is they count heart attacks and choking to death or any type of death on duty same as being shot. Most police are not going anywhere near a dangerous situation if they know about it. Sounds like a money raising tactic to me.
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| Thesmoothedeere
11-15-2012 18:31:20
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| In our small town the only thing hitting them is too much Tim Hortons coffee. See em there everyday.
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| cooter143
11-15-2012 18:29:20
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| Here"s the math:
5yr avg = 167.8 officer killed in the line of duty each year.
8760/167.8= An officer killed every 52.2 days
Doesn"t sound like a lot until it hits close to home and you see three young kids being raised without their daddy. They willingly choose to confront the evil in our culture and often pay the price. It"s easy to stereotype and demean something you don"t understand. Hold your judgement until you"ve ridden along and seen up close what kind of trash and real danger they encounter at work, then often are sued and charged for doing their jobs. I"d choose a tractor over that any day. All of you who have such a disregard for cops, who are you going to call when the evil out there shows up at your house?
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| Nancy Howell
11-16-2012 06:45:41
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Re: Sad in reply to cooter143, 11-15-2012 18:29:20
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| If the 5 yr average is 167.8 per year, then 365.25/167.8 = an officer killed every 2.18 days.
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| 03
11-15-2012 18:13:00
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| Theres about 800,000 police in the U.S.
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| MF Poor
11-15-2012 17:58:07
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| | We just had a deputy Sheriff gunned down day before yesterday a few miles south of here. Family of shooter on TV today telling what a wonderful kind misunderstood guy he was. IMHO he isn't misunderstood. He's a murderer, plain and simple. If I was a police officer, he would have had a car door slammed on his head a few dozen times as he was being arrested. Like 'em or not, these officers stick their necks on the line every time they put on a badge, and they usually do it with little thanks, low pay, and with the risk of being shot/sued/spit on/critisized/ect, every day.
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| JerryS
11-15-2012 17:09:07
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| I agree with others that police are not even in the running for Most Hazardous Professions. I appreciate that there is certainly an element of danger in what they do, but not to the extent they want us to believe. I get a bit annoyed every year when the city and parish law enforcement agencies here hold their joint annual “Memorial Service” for fallen officers. They have to go all the way back to the 1880s to be able to put together a list of about 25 names. Several of those were struck by motorists while writing tickets.
But they pull out all the stops for this service: the bagpipes, the slow roll call, the echoing buglers, the bloused boots, the white gloves, the volleys from the M-1 rifles. Gotta keep the perception going, because tax renewal comes around every few years.
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| Bob Huntress
11-15-2012 16:21:16
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| In the city of Jackson, TN it was on the radio a couple years back that a police officer is killed in the line of duty every 100 years, on average.
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| Bob Bancroft
11-15-2012 15:11:47
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| Here in a liberal bastion of the northeast- Ithaca(Cornell and Ithaca college) a young officer was recently chasing a no good on foot after a car chase. Crook turned and shot officer, I believe in the shoulder, just off the edge of his protective vest. Officer suffered loss of blood, collapsed lung, and stroke symptoms. Hopefully he will regain all his functions. The community did turn out for him.
A few years ago a known criminal was shot and killed by an officer when the crook threatened another officer with a vehicle. The color mix was the same as this last incident. But back then you would have thought someone had shot the pope! The whole city was stirred up for weeks. Later there was a mysterious fire at one of the officers houses. That could have turned out very serious. As far as I know that remains unsolved.
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| thurlow
11-15-2012 14:58:22
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| I'm not for anyone dying 'before their time', but I don't have a lot of respect for the po-leece; in the nearest big city, one of 'em was shot last week and may not survive. They were serving a search warrant where they bust in someone's door (had a warrant to search for drugs and found a small quantity). There were 2 large dogs inside the house that "acted aggressive"; (seems to me that the dogs had every RIGHT to act aggressive). Policeman decided he'd just shoot 'em; shot one of his fellow officers in the back, instead. They've killed 2 citizens with their police cars......on non-emergency calls......running nearly 100 mph on city streets without lights/sirens in the near past. They weren't even slapped on the wrists; if you'd done that, you'd...rightly....be in the pen. They're held to a different/LESSER standard than the public they're sworn to protect/serve. In the same city, they've averaged arresting one officer every 3 weeks on felony charges this year.
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| Tony in Mass.
11-15-2012 14:35:07
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| A few months ago a local cop up here was killed by a New York City police officer, who then killed himself... with his city owned pistol. So there are 2 stats for more gun control right?
Never met a cop who didn't want more gun control. Crime control would put them out of a job, can't push for that huh?
That was the first Springfield cop killed since 1987. Several shot each other in the leg, foot, butt, the mad rush in a drug bust or a dark alley mix up... and those stats count against citizen's gun rights too.
One around here got run over by a dump truck on overtime traffic detail work, another drove off a road on county property and died, no more was said about it. Are these guys counted toward more gun control too? I bet they will be...
More linemen and utility workers are killed across the country in a year's worth of storm damage, without public knowledge, nevermind outcry. Tell the rubber gun cop at the college to get a life...
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| Pickle
11-15-2012 14:16:48
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| We all have choices, don't they "chose" to do the job,
they can always chose something else.
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| Mike M
11-15-2012 13:35:13
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| | I'm not a math whiz but that seems to be like 162 a year. So the math doesn't add up. Usually these figures quoted don't add up. They just try and make it more dramaic this way. Wonder how it compares to people dieing falling down stairs ? Still a tragity either way and 1 is too many.
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| Walt Davies
11-15-2012 13:17:47
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| If you want to bring up unsafe jobs Nancy take a look at farming it was number five on the list just below Logging and Steel workers and don't forget Pizza delivery guys.
Police and firemen don't even make the top 25 list. But they cry a lot about how dangerous their job is. Well let them take up Farming and learn what a real dangerous job is.
Walt
OH! Forgot Fishing now thats a dangerous job.
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| IOWA NORTHEAST
11-15-2012 17:00:41
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Re: Sad in reply to Walt Davies, 11-15-2012 13:17:47
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| Sorry, I have a hard time thinking someone would make that remark....but never the less, use firemen will still cover your rear regardless how you think of us..... From a very devoted (crybaby ) / EMS / Fireman. By the way, we have several openings at any given time.
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| cooter143
11-15-2012 13:41:35
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Re: Sad in reply to Walt Davies, 11-15-2012 13:17:47
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| I"ve known plenty of police officers, but I"ve never heard one cry about having a dangerous job. The dangers associated with most jobs are due to neglect and disregard of safety. Almost all of the farm accidents I know of have been preventable, which is not the case with police officers. There is a difference between possibly being killed at your job, and being targeted and killed for simply doing your job. How about showing a little appreciation for those who willingly put themselves in that position for our sakes?
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| tomtirediron
11-15-2012 14:41:19
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Re: Sad in reply to cooter143, 11-15-2012 13:41:35
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| Not a big fan of the cops either, but have learned to respect them after seeing what they go through. I"ve grown to know several of our county force the last 11 years being a county employee also. You hit the nail on the head! Never seen a PTO shaft swear to kill you, a grain bin trying to figure out wher you live to light your house. Officers in this county have no back up close within several minutes and patrol alone. If you think you want a piece come-on up to the reservation on a Sat night. I know guys that have done 1:5 officer/ drunk unruly ratio with backup 20 minutes out. Fun, Fun
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| Uncle Ernie
11-15-2012 13:03:49
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 12:52:50
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| Nancy, Where did you come up with that number? I just searched it and found that 117 officers had been killed in 2009 which was the latest stat I could find right quick.
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| Nancy Howell
11-15-2012 13:20:38
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Re: Sad in reply to Uncle Ernie, 11-15-2012 13:03:49
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| I was speaking with one of the college police officers. He is a member of the website "Officer Down". According to that website, there have been 109 so far this year. #109 occurred yesterday in Kentucky.
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| Uncle Ernie
11-15-2012 13:37:39
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Re: Sad in reply to Nancy Howell, 11-15-2012 13:20:38
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| That would be a death once every 80.4 hours.(365X 24/ 109= 80.366)
Still way too many.
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| Billy Shafer
11-15-2012 14:12:02
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Re: Sad in reply to Uncle Ernie, 11-15-2012 13:37:39
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| lloyd in sc
11-15-2012 14:20:14
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Re: Sad in reply to Billy Shafer, 11-15-2012 14:12:02
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| depends on which "one"...
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| Two Dogs
11-15-2012 14:54:19
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Re: Sad in reply to lloyd in sc, 11-15-2012 14:20:14
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| This one would be a good start :) TDF
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| ShadetreeRet
11-15-2012 18:54:40
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Re: Sad in reply to Two Dogs, 11-15-2012 14:54:19
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| That boy's gonna grow up to be a farmer! Nothing like taking a good old country pee. He was just practicing, but did not have a tree to hide behind. $2500.00 ?! Heck, you can rob a bank and get off for less than that!
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