champion spark plugs

Anonymous-0 · Nov 8, 2012

My neighbour has a JD1010 tractor that I did a tuneup on last fall. He called a couple weeks ago said he is having a hard time to get it started and it it is running a little rough.Went to look at it on sunday morning to see what was up.Checked gas flow ,good checked fuel bowl clean checked spark at # 1 cylinder good blue spark. checked points nice and clean. it would fire once in a while but no start.check spark in other cylinders with #1 plug,good spark at all four wires.checked out the other plugs and 3 of the 4 had no spark (WTF) double checked them on other wires and still no spark..he bought new plugs and put them in and he called last night and says it runs like a champ.He said he took it to the bush to get some wood and found out he had a flat tire on his trailer.He said it was getting harder to start and ran a bit rougher until it didn't start anymore Never heard of 3 plugs failing like that before in a short time,I'm sure he hasn't put 50 hours since they went in.

Gerry....WI · Nov 8, 2012

Won't use the "C-word" in my shop

Anonymous-0 · Nov 8, 2012

cross reference to Autolite and try them....... Been a wonder drug on a couple of things I used them on...... Even run better than bosch in the old german VW's....

Mike M · Nov 8, 2012

While I have used champions and they worked fine,you can hardly sell them to farmers. I try to run autolites in my tractors and have good luck so far too.

oldtanker · Nov 8, 2012

Well you done opened that ole can o' worms up.

I will not use Champion plugs. Never have had as good of service out of them as other plugs. Dad had an AC CA. He always used Champion and always kept an extra set on hand. I came home on leave and he ask me to put new plugs in it. I ran into town and got a different brand and put them in without telling him. He found out the hard way that his Champoins just were not lasting. He was getting about 50 hours out of a set. Not good on a tractor that was used daily on the farm.

Now I know someone is going to jump in here and say that Champions are made buy so and so and that those plugs have a good reputation. Well just because it's made by the same company don't mean it's made to the same standards or even with the same materials.

Rick

Billy Shafer · Nov 8, 2012

I had eight fail in a week on differant equipment. Haven't used them since then. I use Autolight or NGK.

souNdguy · Nov 8, 2012

i'm not big on champs either.. most around here use autolites...

still.. as long as the insulator is not cracked and she's not shrted.. i get good results on all brands except platniums.. in using an abrasive cleaner they are less than 10$ at harbor freight and use black beauty cleaner media,

I have not bought a plug in a few years.. I celan mine. after a few blasts of cleaner.. brush them and then use some brake clener spray to clean the electrocde and insultator area perfectly.. get al the abrasive and dust out.. bad for the engine1

do not use a wire brush.. it leaves metalic streaks and particles onthe ceramic insulator near the electrode.

file the center conductor and bent tab sothey have square edges. spark jumps easier from that than a rounded edge. remove andy flakes or burs from squaring the center pin. even file the side of the tab to get that flat edge.,

lastly.. rememebr to cleann the threads up and save the cursh washer.. repalce if you have extra.. otherwise reuse.. do get all the debris out of the threads. add a micro coating ov something like nickle neverseige to the threads.. helps on removal. pack back in theor oem boxes ont he shelf in a ziplock to keep dust out for we=hen you need them.

I have a whol;e rack of cleaned plugs waiting to swap in like that.

saves big $$ over the years seeings as the price of plugs is going up

Dick2 · Nov 8, 2012

We quit using Autolite plugs at least 50 years ago and Champion about 30 years ago. Now I only use NGK plugs.

Morgan Flowers · Nov 8, 2012

(quoted from post at 15:39:20 11/08/12) My neighbour has a JD1010 tractor that I did a tuneup on last fall. He called a couple weeks ago said he is having a hard time to get it started and it it is running a little rough.Went to look at it on sunday morning to see what was up.Checked gas flow ,good checked fuel bowl clean checked spark at # 1 cylinder good blue spark. checked points nice and clean. it would fire once in a while but no start.check spark in other cylinders with #1 plug,good spark at all four wires.checked out the other plugs and 3 of the 4 had no spark (WTF) double checked them on other wires and still no spark..he bought new plugs and put them in and he called last night and says it runs like a champ.He said he took it to the bush to get some wood and found out he had a flat tire on his trailer.He said it was getting harder to start and ran a bit rougher until it didn't start anymore Never heard of 3 plugs failing like that before in a short time,I'm sure he hasn't put 50 hours since they went in.

I try to stay away from Autolite and Champion plugs. A few years back my grandpa had a tune up done on his 82 F150 300 I6. About a week later it was jumping and spitting and sputtering like it wouldn't make it up the mountain to town. Well after a couple weeks I told him he should try motorcraft plugs in it and see if that helped. It did and he hasn't replaced them since. That's probably been 10 years ago. He was replacing them often before and his mechanic probably charged him $200 just on carb rebuilds that it didn't need over the years. I will never use an autolite plug because of that and because of a John Deere 520 that I have had one go bad after a years. Put in an old plug that was in the toolbox on the tractor from probably 30 years ago (I think it was an AC brand) and never had another problem. Maybe i'm not the norm but that's my experience. I'm sure NGK's and Bosch are good as well. I use them in my farm equipment.

keh · Nov 8, 2012

A bad switch might give similar problems. I had an issue on a 2010 butit was wasting points.

KEH

Ron in NS · Nov 8, 2012

This will explain it.
spark plug factory in China

Anonymous-0 · Nov 8, 2012

I learned a long time ago that the best thing about a champion spark plug is that the go a long ways off when I threw them away.

tomNE · Nov 8, 2012

I don't use champions, if at all possible, and if i have to; i don't expect much from them. that way i'm not upset when they fail! AC's is the brand i use off the shelf. Accel yellowjackets if i have a choice!

big boy john · Nov 8, 2012

man i think that you gotta dip em in ur moonshine and stuffz to get it rollin real nice than you gotta see if it drives through water good ya know?

Dachshund · Nov 8, 2012

Champions make EXCELLENT fishing weights....

Autolite or NGK, if you want them to actually work....

bob15 · Nov 8, 2012

I guess I'm the minority, 'cause I will run nothing but Champions, except presently in my B, which as AC plugs. I tried NGK and have more issues than its worth and have considered them nothing more than junk. Autolites, never used them and probably never will. I have a stash of US-made champs to last a lifetime.

As for the original problem, it probably goes beyond the plugs. It could be running too rich and eventually the plugs were varnished over and would no longer work. Three plugs failing on a 4 cylinder engine, something else is definitely wrong.

bob

60 acre hillside · Nov 8, 2012

I know a lot of people have had trouble with them and believe them, I had a strange spark plug experience. In the military we had a lot of Clark forklifts with Chrysler engines. The parts man gave me a set of Blue Crown same heat range as a J-8 Champion. Same plugs we used in the Clarks. I put them in my WC Allis Chalmers and it would not start. I threw them away into a pothole. What was wrong???

Ray · Nov 8, 2012

I've had new champions out of the box that wouldn't fire.Seen them go bad from just setting in collector tractors.I've had pretty good luck with autolites.

Anonymous-0 · Nov 8, 2012

I have had a [Champion] new one[0 hours] that would not work, don't use them anymore, anything else but them.

morris roessler · Nov 8, 2012

ok .. i worked in apacking house for 30 years . started 4.30 am .d0ne at 12.30 . so i would be the monkey at the local garge the rest of the day.
Try this on for size . 6 0ut of 8 failed(champion) .. with the boss over there chowing you out because he thought you scwered everything up...well.40s ,50s 60s were the best there was,70s it was anybody guess if you got good one.after that ,I wont pay money for them not even if they gave me a 5 gal pale full for nothing. It would take to long to find a couple good ones. AC are good and AUTO LIGHT are the best... but usally cost a tiny bit more...this is just my experiance anyway

Todd Hovick · Nov 8, 2012

Machines are temermental my 1995 Poloaris XLT Snowmobile would only run on Champions, and my 97 XLT would only run on NGK's

MT RON · Nov 8, 2012

Put a set of Champions in my first car ,a 38 Chev.in 1955 & they were garbage then.I'm sure they were'nt made in China then.Also have'nt had any luck with Motor Craft.

Anonymous-0 · Nov 8, 2012

My first thought is he's probably still running on the tankful of gas from last fall.

Its not the plugs, its really the fuel. Well, that and short light trips to the woods where the plugs don't get hot enough to clean themselves.

MarkB_MI · Nov 9, 2012

Well, all three plugs didn't foul out at once. They fouled out over several weeks and he just ignored how rough it was running until he was running on a single cylinder.

Usually you can tell if the fouling is oil or gas. If the plugs fouled out from oil fouling, then I guess it's about time for a rebuild. Otherwise it must be getting too much gas.

RamblinMan · Nov 9, 2012

All it takes is dropping one on a hard surface whether it be at the plant or by the installer. Had a Farmall that wouldn"t run on a set of new Champions after removing old Champions that were firing. Had it happen with Auto Lite and NGK.

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