Allis chalmers B

Did Allis Chalmers B ever come with a 3-point hitch. My brother has a parts tractor that he is going to sell the 3-point off, & was wondering if it is orginal or aftermarket. Thanks.

to my knowledge the "b" didnt ever come with a three point.and if i remember correctly no hydraulics at all. the model "C" i think was the first with hydraulics.which was the same basic size tractor as the b model.its been years since i ran allis tractors,but i dont recall seeing a "b with hydraulics. my b certainly didnt,but it was a early model with no starter or anything.If it is indeed a b and not a c i would guess aftermarket.

The later 'b's had a hydralic lift of sorts.That could have had a 3 point added later.(aftermarket,shopmade,etc.)

Check in the ads from 10-16.

Doesn"t say it was stock, just that it has it.

https://photos.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/photoads/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db_id=493716&exact_match=on&photo_size=lrg&query=retrieval
AC B with 3 pt

Never a 3 point. Maybe a lift ran by a high pressure pump in the PTO unit that ran on the transmission fluid. Single action, rams about 3/4 inch diameter. Like said, Mine (number 809) did not have starter and of course, no lift. C had wider rear wheel spacing and narrow front end. I not sure of all ways front end, but sure of wider rear end.

Looking at that ad, I think it is a C. On the B, the draw bar would be hooked right at the wheel casting. All so the wider tires indicate a C.

KennyP who had both.

I don't think AC offered a 3 point on anything until sometime during the production on the D 10,12,14,15,17,19,21 series tractors. They had thier own htich system before that called a snap coupler. The die hards still claim that the snap coupler was the best thing sense sliced bread but if not maintained could be a man killer.

Rick

No there was never a factory 3 point for the B or the C. Many farmer made and aftermarket one and all. The B and C did have hyds and a type of lift system for plows etc but not a 3 point

A couple of thoughts, yes there was no 3 point offered on the B, C, CA,W's and earliest D Series. No, B had hydraulics, from the start, it was optional, and some farmers still had mechanical p/u horse drawn machinery to use up, before they modernized. The early A-C hyd system was a low volume( <4 gpm), High pressure system (3500 psi). If you hook up a non A-C low pressure cyl, tha A-C pump can blow the top off it! AC snap coupler system WAS better, back up, click the eye into the coupler, reach back, click each lift arm into the latches, total time elapsed less than 3 minutes! The early pin hitch system was the mankiller, as it had the type of lift latches, that would hang on, if the plow pin fell out, then the plow would rotate on the lift arm latches, and knock you in the back of the head! Quick way to go, compared to trying to hitch up a heavy 3 point implement, settled into the mud!!

Never offered as factory, but there are a number of vendors still offering AFTERMARKET 3pt hitches for these tractors, and many homemade 3pt hitches.

(quoted from post at 10:08:12 10/18/12) A couple of thoughts, yes there was no 3 point offered on the B, C, CA,W's and earliest D Series. No, B had hydraulics, from the start, it was optional, and some farmers still had mechanical p/u horse drawn machinery to use up, before they modernized. The early A-C hyd system was a low volume( &lt;4 gpm), High pressure system (3500 psi). If you hook up a non A-C low pressure cyl, tha A-C pump can blow the top off it! AC snap coupler system WAS better, back up, click the eye into the coupler, reach back, click each lift arm into the latches, total time elapsed less than 3 minutes! The early pin hitch system was the mankiller, as it had the type of lift latches, that would hang on, if the plow pin fell out, then the plow would rotate on the lift arm latches, and knock you in the back of the head! Quick way to go, compared to trying to hitch up a heavy 3 point implement, settled into the mud!!

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Actually Dave the Snap Coupler system killed/injured far more people than the pin system. Farmers of the day were really good mechanics and knew how to care for a horse but were not good to tractors. The spring loaded Snap part of the coupler had to be well maintained to be safe or it could and did fail resulting in the implement kicking up and bashing someone in the back or head. 2 reasons the Snap coupler failed was the safety concerns and proprietary implements. IH's Fast Hitch failed too. Because farmers were not going to be told what brand of implements to buy. Had both AC and IH released the patents on those systems and had AC fixed the farmer neglect issue both may have survived. Just cause it was easy didn't make it better.

I grew up with a father who believed in doing repairs right. When we moved into farm country when I was 16 I was shocked at how much cobbled up stuff farmers were doing. Dad's teachings on the farm is OK, a farmer fix as a temporary thing to get the equipment home was OK as long as you got it home and then fixed it right. I worked for one guy who had a very nice for the day welder yet his disk was tied together with barbed wire cause he had never learned to use the welder. I was supposed to do field work and help with milking. Once he found out I could fix things right I spent 2 months of doing nothing but fixing his farmer repairs. And he was typical of the area farmers. I didn't learn that some farmers could and did fix things right for almost 2 years. The guy I was working for then had the dealer out any time there was a problem.

Rick

I blame the demise of the snap coupler, mainly because of the
increase in population of lawyers, and stupid people!

I'm not sure how much reading you've done. But the IH fast hitch didn't fail. It was so good that John Deere wanted to buy the patent and IH wouldn't let them. So actually IH made the world go to 3pt. IH cut their own throat sort of speak.

Maybe I missed a few days, but until I got on this board a few years ago, I never heard of any incidents with the Snap-Coupler, or pin hitch plows coming over the top of the tractor and hitting the driver. Yes, I can see it happening with the pin hitch and the early cast iron, slip on, bolt on arm mounts. I would expect the spring loaded lift latches since then would eliminate those problems. But after growing up with them, and 50-60 years since, never having heard of those incidents......