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| 4020
10-17-2012 18:34:08
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     We were digging up tree roots with the loader where some dozing had been done. We broke the block in front of where it bolts to the transmission housing. It broke all the way around - the crack goes from between the starter and the block clear over the top behind the cylinders, down past the injection pump, clear down to the pan on both sides. We used a tire marker to mark the cracks, but it is not showing up very well. We put a chain and binder underneath to help keep it from collapsing in the middle. I think the crankshaft is the only thing holding it together. This happened back in the spring, and since it rained today we got around to getting the loader off. It still starts up and runs fine, but leaks engine oil all over the floor now!
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| John B.
10-18-2012 10:16:50
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| I sure wouldn't run it. You'll do the transmission in too with a misalignment like that!!
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| Billy NY
10-18-2012 09:27:35
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| | Mistake I am sure, for whatever reason, can't add to the below, ... WOW.... show some photos of one of these like that here, again, kind of a costly mishap, hopefully you can salvage or repair, as thats where its at. Its not so hard to get into a situation like that, my long time farmer/friend has a relatively mechanically sound, 3150JD FWA, with a loader and one of its jobs is to gather up larger rocks in fields after tillage, push back brush/trees, I did a ton of this with it. I recall one afternoon, he says and points to this rather large rock, keep hitting it every year, etc. etc, see if you can get an edge on it, I try 1/2 a dozen ways, no leverage, and no sense in increasing any impact or break out by horsing it, I was really afraid of something like what you have in the photos, I said I'm not going any further with it, besides, the guy who is bringing in clean fill left a '02 450 JD dozer on site, no key but said absolutely go ahead, grade off what we brought in, use it while its here, very nice fellow, so I came in the next day on a Sat morning, had a key, greased/fueled er up, and went after that big ole rock, I had it out in 5 minutes, on the surface, it was almost as big as the dozer! backfilled the hole, graded, and pushed off the rest while I was there. Could have fought all day with that 3150 too. I watched him fool with a big ole stump, back end off the ground, helping a neighbor along a field we used, whom we know, 3150 won that battle, but he scared the crap out of me and the neighbor, whom promptly tipped him a $100 bill. He's cognizant of not abusing equipment, but sometimes you, the tractor and that stump get carried away. I just am amazed at the power of modern hydraulics, that little 450 lifted a fresh cut 36" dia. x 120' (top not cut off yet) oak, I slung it on one side, lifted it with the blade and towed it up a small incline, it would not pull it from the drawbar, dug in, tracks spun but that 6 way blade had no issue with lifting it from the heavy end. Having access to this kind of equipment is not always possible for most, but it sure helps you draw the line when you know you are outclassed but still trying anyway, usually never worth it, hopefully you'll get 'er repaired and show us the photos here.
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| eldo case
10-18-2012 07:13:45
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| This is one of the problems of a loader that don't have a frame that goes to the rear axle. It put too much strain on the tractor. Seen this before.
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| buickanddeere
10-18-2012 07:13:23
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to John T, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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Then sir you you have a habit of looking at life and challenges from the arse end instead of head on.
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| jammison
10-18-2012 07:09:43
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to MisterT, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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The way I figure it: if it broke, it wasn't built strong enough....so, now build it back stronger. Repeat if necessary until you can't break it!
P.S. If you came to this forum, you must have been looking to get beat, slapped, kicked & ridiculed. More of that than anything else, here. :evil:
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| buickanddeere
10-18-2012 07:04:08
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| There is something to be said for using the right tool for the job. As previously said a 4020 is not the right tool to be used with duals and a heavy loader .
No whinny relies either about " it"s all we had to work with"
Has the tractor been previously split and bolted back together without using a torque wrench. Odds are stress was set up between adjacent fasteners due to uneven loading. The cracking started at the most stressed point and spread.
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| Texasmark1
10-18-2012 06:21:06
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| | All due respect sir, but there is a limit to the ability of equipment. Looks like this gal is more than justified in yielding. Sorry for your loss. Mark
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| RMinVa
10-18-2012 04:42:25
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| | Got a neighbor that rented the farm that joins mine that had pretty much the same thing happen. His was a new JD 2 days old. It broke in the transmission housing at his feet. He was very luck it didn't pin him between the steering wheel and seat. I went up and looked at it and decided right there I'd never buy a mid mount loader. I'm sure it can happen to any tractor but just seems like a lot can go wrong with a mid mount doing heavy work. I've had 3 new loaders and all had the bracing that goes to the rear axle. I have one now that I run a 80" root grapple on and the grapple weighs over 700 pounds. I move large logs for fire wood with the grapple. I wouldn't think of picking up a 2 ton log with a mid mount after what I saw with my neighbors. When you get it back going again you might want to look at bracing to the rear axle if you're going to do heavy work. Sorry that happened to you.
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| larryanderson
10-18-2012 04:39:57
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| Things happen and as long as no one gets hurt most things can be fixed.We had our 9770 combine fall thru a bridge this fall.It showed up on the internet. If I had a picture I would post it.It took a 60 ton crane to lift around the duals to pick it up so we could get it on other side.Thought there wasnt much damage but found out feeder house was sprung so that cost $30K .We had insurance plus rental insurance so we were going the next day.
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| George Marsh
10-18-2012 04:21:37
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| 4020,
When I was a kid, in the 1950-60, we had an IH H with a loader that we used for everything. Loading logs, removing silage from pit silo, loading manure. Cracked the Farmall in half, like yours, around the bell housing. Dad split the tractor and brazed it back together. Guess this is still the risk one takes when adding a loader to a tractor instead of buying a backhoe. My backhoe has power steering, 2 way hydraulics, roll cage. I wonder why we thought our add on loader was so neat with slow hydraulics, arm strong steering and a trip bucket. George
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| Traditional Farmer
10-18-2012 02:20:43
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| Cracks that show up can be years in the making sometimes and just happens to crack that last bit at some point in time.A casting flaw could have even been the root cause that showed up after many years of use.
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| sideconsole4020guy
10-17-2012 21:31:52
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| I agree that he wasnt looking for a shoulder to cry on, and if he was I wouldnt come to here to get it. I was tought at a young age to take care of your equipment never abuse it, I would have compassion if it was broke in half from getting hit on the road or something but as i said before some one was there and could of pushed in the clutch and stopped it. All my tractors are like part of the family and i can assure you I dont beat family so I would never abuse my tractors, they are an extension of my body, I take care of them and they never let me down, plain and simple.
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| 4020
10-17-2012 21:47:39
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to sideconsole4020guy, 10-17-2012 21:31:52
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| If you are so smart, lets hear how many hours you have on your stuff. My stuff didnt get high houred by miss treating it. we have three combines , one has over 7,000 hrs. one with over 5,000 one with near 5,000 hrs. do I need to start down the list of tractors, hrs. Wait untell you hear about the run away 4520. Thats another story. By the way this is a working farm unlike yours.
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| sideconsole4020guy
10-18-2012 04:28:27
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 21:47:39
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| well 4020 #1 has 11,300 hrs, 4020 #2 has 11,500 and 4020 #3 has 6,200 all bought used. Oh and since I dont farm full time doesnt mean my stuff doesnt get used huh? My dad put 8500 hrs on the 1st 4020, it was the main tractor on our farm. There is absolutely no reason for the abuse. We use all old equipment and we use it and dont abuse it.
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| yugoandbelarus
10-18-2012 06:19:42
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to sideconsole4020guy, 10-18-2012 04:28:27
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| Poor little 4020's, 90+ hp tractor trapped in an 80
hp body.
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| oldtanker
10-17-2012 21:59:16
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 21:47:39
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????? Hope that wan't directed at me. All of my tractors are older, newest is a 1976 TLB that was used hard before I got it. I got that a couple of years ago when I knew that I was going to be farming the place instead of renting it out.
Rick
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| SD Pete
10-17-2012 21:25:47
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| Stuff happens!
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| 4020
10-17-2012 21:35:17
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to SD Pete, 10-17-2012 21:25:47
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| SDPete When Aaron called to tell me what happened I was about sick. After a moment or two I called him back and told him stuff happens only I didnt use the word stuff. He was sicker than I was about it.
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| SD Pete
10-18-2012 06:21:00
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 21:35:17
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| Stuff makes it thru the potty filter.
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| Chuck (CA)
10-17-2012 20:56:13
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| | A few years ago, I cracked the rear end housing on my New Holland.. (Long story, you can look it up in the archives if you want.) Anyway, I got a lead on this company and contacted them.. 2 1/2 years later, no leaks, possibly stronger than new and has taken a lot of abuse since than. And my son and I did it ourselves! HTH,
Chuck
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| sideconsole4020guy
10-17-2012 21:14:48
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to Chuck (CA), 10-17-2012 20:56:13
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| I looked at that lock&stitch that is some amazing stuff
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| 4020
10-17-2012 21:06:43
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to Chuck (CA), 10-17-2012 20:56:13
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| Yes I know what you are talking about. We will know more about the block when we split the tractor. The crack did not go back to gether so one main is out of line at least. we will keep you posted as we get time to work on it.
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| farmer boy
10-17-2012 20:38:59
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| I have done stuff like this with loaders before. You really have to use the tractor within it's limits. If it doesn't move it the first time, it isn't going to move it so leave it alone. I don't think the duals helped you out here. There's alot of weight back there. One thing that I don't get though. Our current loader tractor (25+ years newer) has a complete subframe that likely would have helped here. Why don't more manufacturers use this? It's the front part of the subframe that gets in the way, the rear part is out of the way and can only do good.
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| RodInNS
10-17-2012 20:30:28
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| That'll happen when you don't have a subframe...
Find a block or used engine, repair it and move on. Just don't do any more dozing with the 100 series loader...Rod
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| bill mart
10-17-2012 20:28:28
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| The lack of compassion in the comments is overwhelming! Bill
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| oldtanker
10-17-2012 21:23:58
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to bill mart, 10-17-2012 20:28:28
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Bill the thing is the tractor was ask to do something that should have been left to other equipement. I'm sure he knows it. I don't think he was looking for a shoulder to cry on. Sorry I'm not a very compassionate person when you do something like that. Never have been, never will be. I done stupid things myself, last time was in 73......, very often sharing my stories with others hoping that they will not make the same error.
Rick
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| sideconsole4020guy
10-17-2012 20:31:44
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to bill mart, 10-17-2012 20:28:28
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| I cant feel sorry about that, I guess it is a mechanic thing, the tractor didnt hurt its self,
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| 4020
10-17-2012 20:55:50
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to sideconsole4020guy, 10-17-2012 20:31:44
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| you know that old tractor is like family, it has over 13,000 hrs. one side of the hood has the paint chiped from the boys cleaning mud and ice off with a hammer, They were so proud when they told me they cleaned it off. so it will probley never be repainted. when i see the little rust spots I remember how the boys tryed to do a good job.
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| sideconsole4020guy
10-17-2012 20:01:51
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| funny I do not see the decals CAT and D8 on the side, so its not a dozer, that is just savage treatment, I could never treat a tractor like that
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| Dalet
10-17-2012 19:21:36
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| You will make bigger mistakes in life. I have. Use the right tool for the job next time and move on. My 1020 and my skidloader don't have enough power to destroy themselves luckily. I would have said the duals did you in though.
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| 4020
10-17-2012 19:28:46
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to Dalet, 10-17-2012 19:21:36
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| yes radial in side tires, good duels, 10 cast wheel weights, 16 foot mounted feild cultuvator, and a rebuilt loader bucket, see cutting edge.
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| dale kisner
10-17-2012 19:12:35
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| Looks like the dozer operator should of done more dozing!! I am with Rick but if you already had a dozer there what made you think you could rip the roots out with a tractor! When did you stop abusing the tractor? Obviously after it looks like it does now! Sorry I can feel sorry for someone who abuses equipment like that! A expensive lesson but I hope you learned something the hard way!
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| donjr
10-17-2012 19:10:34
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| Check Wengers in Pa., 1-800-451-5240. They'll probably have one and it won't be as bad as you think. Other than aggrivation....
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| 4020
10-17-2012 19:18:36
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to donjr, 10-17-2012 19:10:34
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| Thanks for the help,we have a low houred complete motor to put in it when we get the time it wont take that long to do.
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| oldtanker
10-17-2012 18:42:46
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to 4020, 10-17-2012 18:34:08
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| Not trying to be mean but that's what happens when you try to make a farm tractor do construction equipment work as far as loaders go. And I agree, OUCH! Wonder if a guy wouldn't be better of finding a running 4020 with tranny issues.
Rick
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| LOU from Wi.
10-17-2012 18:59:50
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to oldtanker, 10-17-2012 18:42:46
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| Rick. right you are. I had a fellow tell me on this site, "You have a tractor and a BobCat to use to do the digging and tree pushing"Well we DIdn"t take his advice. We finished re=building the O.C.46 and we did the work with that,plus we still have the dozer. Sure wouldn't want to face down the repair bill his tractor damage will cost him.He maw a costly MISTAKE!!!!!!! LOU.
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| 504
10-17-2012 19:12:08
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| Had a neighbor that put a dozer blade on his 1130 MF then hooked to a scraper to move dirt, he was saving money because he was hauling as much dirt as the the Cat that was building his lake. Calcium in all six tires,extra set of wheel weights and a crankshaft from a Cumminge hanging on the front, when the bull gear case broke.
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| LOU from Wi.
10-17-2012 19:03:52
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to LOU from Wi., 10-17-2012 18:59:50
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| NOT MAW, Should be MADE A COSTLY MISTAKE Sorry for incorrect wording. LOU.
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| JayinNY
10-17-2012 18:47:47
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| Amen!
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| Royse
10-17-2012 18:38:28
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| Ouch! That's gonna hurt!
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| David G
10-17-2012 18:38:00
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| That is not a cheap fix.
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| Old Jim
10-18-2012 02:57:20
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to David G, 10-17-2012 18:38:00
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| I have seen this type of thing many times. But it's usually with skid steers. Very easy to do with a 20 series Deere. But many basically all people over use their skid steers. And I'd bet most that replied to this have. And then it's blamed on the machine or bad parts.
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| toby
10-18-2012 04:13:34
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to Old Jim, 10-18-2012 02:57:20
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| I wish I had the perfect equipment for every job. I wish I could get up every morning with the knowledge of just how far I can push something. I wish I could baby all my tractors to the point that I washed and waxed them every night. I have broken blocks, bent loader buckets, turned over sprayers with 600 gallons of a 2-4-d solution and many other screw-ups in my 60 years on this earth. I hate it every time but in most cases it was something that needed to be done. I hate that you broke your tractor and I know you will repair and have her running before you know it. I also wonder what others do that never break things? Their winters must be spent watching the soaps on TV.
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| oldtanker
10-18-2012 06:50:48
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to toby, 10-18-2012 04:13:34
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It isn't that we don't break things. That's going to happen just through metal fatigue. But there is stuff that requires attention every year. This winter I've get several rollers with bad bearings in my baler. Bush Hog with a bad bottom seal in the gear box. Brakes and axle seals on one tractor. 5 or 6 new rock guards for the haybine. I got enough to keep me busy with having to feed critters, keep mom in laws stuff going, some wiring work on daughters house. Plus I have a new to me grinder mixer that needs going through before I need it in the spring........tell ya what, come do this stuff for me and I'll take a vacation!
Rick
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| sideconsole4020guy
10-18-2012 04:32:30
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Re: Pics of my 4020 broken in two :{ in reply to toby, 10-18-2012 04:13:34
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| Watching soaps really? no we spend our time doing livestock chores in the winter and moving snow. not fixing stupidity from the summer just so we can break it again this summer and fix it again next winter. My dad and grandpa tought me to treat stuff good and not abuse it. I work at a shop and I see what happens when people abuse there equipment and I see the expense that comes with the abuse and how it could have been avoided. Just saying
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