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Erik Ks farmer 10-11-2012 17:37:33 199.241.240.16 Report to Moderator	The past couple months I have been picking up trash from around a pond in one of my rented pastures, this evening I was checking cattle on the same farm and found that someone had driven through my disced cornstalks that I had planned to no till beans into. This problem started last year when some friends of my younger brother started hunting/fishing on this farm. I also caught one of the boys and his dad shooting geese after dark one night last winter. I talked with the landholder who is an older gentlemen and a good friend of mine and we have agreed that all of these boys have lost their privilege to be on the farm since we don't know for sure who is leaving trash and vandalizing the fields. This has real gotten under my skin. Fathers be sure and teach your children to be responsible stewards of the land and game. [Reply]   [No Email]
fergienewbee 10-12-2012 04:45:25 99.181.147.115 Report to Moderator	Re: Irresponsible sportsman in reply to Erik Ks farmer, 10-11-2012 17:37:33   These guys aren't sportsmen--they're slobs and we have failed to police our ranks. I am grateful for all the landowners in Iowa, South Dakota and Kansas that have let me hunt for free. I treat other land as my own and pick up my spent cases, ask about boundaries, hazzards, like old wells, and offer something to show my appreciation, like Michigan apples or something from a bakery, etc. That said, I don't let anyone hunt my land just for the experiences others have dealt with, i.e give one guy permission and you have several others show up. A guy comes over once a week to run beagles with me. He asked about deer hunting for him and his brother. I turned him down because if aomething went wrong, I didn't want it to damage our beagle-running relationship. I did recently let his son and a buddy and their boys use the land to work with some young bird dogs under my friend's supervision. I was there too. One of the boys shot a rabbit and he told them I didn't give them permission to shoot rabbits only the birds they brought. I think it sunk in. It's too bad. Hunters have no one to blame but themselves. Larry [Reply]  [No Email]
Bret4207 10-12-2012 17:24:06 64.19.90.196 Report to Moderator	Re: Irresponsible sportsman in reply to fergienewbee, 10-12-2012 04:45:25   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Very well said Larry! Very well done! Your last line is the Gods honest truth, same for the fools that are harming our gun rights and probably lots of other things too. No one is perfect, but sometimes you have to take a stand and point out the obvious. [Reply]  [No Email]
wisbaker 10-11-2012 20:16:35 207.118.136.97 Report to Moderator	Re: Irresponsible sportsman in reply to Erik Ks farmer, 10-11-2012 17:37:33   Seems to me Michigan has implemented a pretty severe recreational trespass law, might want to research it and write your state representative to adopt something similar. If my understanding is correct if you're caught trespassing while hunting you lose your weapon and any right to hold a fish or game license a friend that has some land in Michigan was explaining that the penalties were enforced and prosecution wasn't that difficult. I personally think that if a landowner posts the land the act of posting it should eliminate any civil liability by the landowner to any trespasser and that anyone caught trespassing should lose any personal property they trespassed with including guns, fishing equipment, ATVs, boats and vehicles and upon conviction of trespass should be required to pay the landowner an amount equal to the yearly property taxes and restitution for any damages. [Reply]  [No Email]
jddriver 10-11-2012 19:59:53 107.202.177.36 Report to Moderator	Re: Irresponsible sportsman in reply to Erik Ks farmer, 10-11-2012 17:37:33   how do you no till in disked ground? [Reply]  [No Email]
PJH 10-11-2012 19:54:11 50.40.232.199 Report to Moderator	Re: Irresponsible sportsman in reply to Erik Ks farmer, 10-11-2012 17:37:33   When my two sons were about 10 - 12 years old, my friend invited them to fish in his pond. He had some nice catfish that he'd been feeding, and those fish would prit-near run up on the bank when you walked up to the water's edge. I explained to the boys that he'd only invited them and no one else. Something made me suspicious, and I slipped in to check on them. Sure enough - they'd brought along another kid - a good kid - but the extra kid hadn't been invited. I got all three boys and took them home. I told them that they'd violated our friend's trust and were to never go back to that pond again. Broke their hearts, but it was a lesson in respect that they use to this day. Kinda broke my heart too - I missed out on some nice catfish fillets. [Reply]  [No Email]
Royse 10-11-2012 19:08:59 69.36.49.151 Report to Moderator	Re: Irresponsible sportsman in reply to matthies, 10-11-2012 17:37:33   I threw one off of here and that was the last person outside the family allowed to hunt. The neighbor who owns the property behind mine leases his land for hunting. He was there when we moved here in 1970, so we have a mutual respect over the years. Anyway, this jackazz that was hunting on my land decided to shoot across the fence row between the properties. Not AT deer, he knew better than that, but to try to "scare the deer hoping they would run onto my property so he could get a shot". Talk about a wonderful conversation with your neighbor. Only good thing was that I caught him instead of hearing about it from the neighbor! [Reply]  [No Email]
Kansas4010 10-11-2012 18:49:21 204.10.232.70 Report to Moderator	Re: Irresponsible sportsman in reply to Erik Ks farmer, 10-11-2012 17:37:33   Yep wait till they get drunk and start shooting at anything that moves. I was in the pasture checking cattle a few years ago and came under fire. Afterwards I found empty bottles scattered everywhere. I have gotten to the point if I have to go down in the timber anymore I carry a gun of my own and I fully intend to return fire. [Reply]  [No Email]
rrlund 10-11-2012 18:26:03 207.241.137.116 Report to Moderator	Re: Irresponsible sportsman in reply to Erik Ks farmer, 10-11-2012 17:37:33   Tell me about it. The wife let the two sons of a friend of hers deer hunt on our land one time. One of'em went right up next to the neighbors where they were hunting,set up two big bulk apple boxes,one on the other for a blind,kicked some slats out of it and left them lay,then came here after dark b1tching to high heaven that the neighbors were out there hunting their own land. I snapped and told them to hit the road and not to come back. Then there were the guys I let goose hunt and they drove their truck and trailer right out across some ryegrass that was just starting to come up. [Reply]  [No Email]
Fitter Roger 10-11-2012 17:52:52 67.142.130.25 Report to Moderator	Re: Irresponsible sportsman in reply to Erik Ks farmer, 10-11-2012 17:37:33   For me it was the coyote hunter that ended all hunting by guest on my land. That hunter didn"t ask permission, just drove right in to get his dogs. The answer is now "NO" when anybody asks. One bad apple.......... [Reply]  [No Email]