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Ted in NE-OH 10-08-2012 17:59:32 173.189.169.175 Report to Moderator	I am writing an article for our local tractor club newsletter. I'd like to list some firsts by brand.I'll start. Allis Chalmers was the first to put rubber tires on a tractor. What are some more firsts. [Reply]   [No Email]
oldtanker 10-10-2012 19:34:01 66.228.255.239 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   I think AC was first with the feature that would automatically shift the transmission into neutral when going down hill with a load behind???? Just pulling yer chain. The only thing that really matters is that AC, IH and others went belly up while JD and Cat are still alive. The blame for the failures cover a wide range, from management to poor dealer networks to series of tractors with problems. Rick [Reply]  [No Email]
Jack a 10-11-2012 00:17:35 70.35.110.239 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to oldtanker, 10-10-2012 19:34:01   oldtanker said: (quoted from post at 19:34:01 10/10/12) I think AC was first with the feature that would automatically shift the transmission into neutral when going down hill with a load behind???? Just pulling yer chain. The only thing that really matters is that AC, IH and others went belly up while JD and Cat are still alive. The blame for the failures cover a wide range, from management to poor dealer networks to series of tractors with problems. Rick Allis had really good equipment especially by the 1970's-80's. The combines were king in the US and the 7000 series were nearly bullet proof excluding the 7080. Every company had lemons. Allis had the 7080 and the first N series to mention a couple. By 1981-82 with the Series 3 N's the problems were pretty much taken care of. Deere had the failed 8010/8020 the dogs known as the 5020/6030. The 8630/8640 and the first 3010/4010's. The first 6600/7700 combines were lemons the 9400 was no barn burner. IH had the TA for almost 3 decades and the 560 troubles. The 815/915 combines were lemons especially the high profile ones. Ford had the 6000 and the select-o-speed and their nightmare Ford combines. Should we talk Massey? They are one of the largest tractor producers in the world today but had plenty of lemons. Allis stuck all their profits, of which 95% came from the ag division, back into losing divisions like ship engine building and hydro dams. For example they had built 4 large engines standing 20 feet tall for the Navy back in 1980 that got cancelled by Carter. They should have sold off divisions lkie that long before but the old managemet was very loyal to what built Allis in the first place and that was things like flour mills, rock crushers, hydro dams, and the list goes on. There are books written about the demise of Allis, once one of the largest manufacturers in the world. This post was edited by Jack a at 00:20:46 10/11/12. [Reply]  [No Email]
popcorn 10-09-2012 19:19:00 216.8.175.3 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   Allis chalmers first electric tractor [Reply]  [No Email]
Will Herring 10-09-2012 15:45:03 50.103.227.28 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Adirondack case guy, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see I seem to recall one of my Allis Chalmers history books (that comes up as recent as 1984 or so) actually has a small blurb and maybe even a photo of the WD prototype with the 5th gear in it. It stuck out as something of interest when I read through it a few years ago. Also, the power shift wheels are a very neat feature. [Reply]  [No Email]
Harold H 10-09-2012 14:10:02 12.23.230.67 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   The Farmall was the first true row crop tractor. Harold H [Reply]  [No Email]
Bill(Wis) 10-09-2012 09:15:12 184.75.123.14 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   GARRETT: First steam powered "Traction Engine" - 1868. CHARTER GASOLINE ENGINE COMPANY: First gasoline powered "Traction Engine" - 1889. FROELICH: First SUCCESSFUL gasoline powered "Traction Engine"-1892. HART PARR: Erection of first factory dedicated exclusively for the production of farm gas Traction Engines. HART PARR: First manufacturer of Traction Engines to refer to them as "Tractors" thus coining the term "Tractor" forever more. [Reply]  [No Email]
Ted in NE-OH 10-09-2012 08:30:50 173.189.169.175 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   Thanks guys, this will make a good article , keep it going! [Reply]  [No Email]
neb farmer 10-09-2012 08:00:14 166.181.3.248 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   John deere had the most powerful row crop in 1963 not allis [Reply]  [No Email]
Jack a 10-09-2012 11:30:39 129.176.151.11 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to neb farmer, 10-09-2012 08:00:14   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Nope, the 5010 wasn't offered as a row crop until later. Like 1966 or so or maybe whenever the 5020 was offered. I think it wasn't until the late 60's actually before Deere offered that large of a row crop. Late 5020 perhaps. [Reply]  [No Email]
Hendrik 10-09-2012 07:45:20 194.53.253.51 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   Heider was probably the first tractor with continuously variable transmission. A set of friction wheels was used; the entire engine was moved fore and aft to vary the speed. IIRC ;-) [Reply]  [No Email]
BDT in Minnesota 10-09-2012 07:38:46 66.87.7.57 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   who was the first to use an internal combustion engine, an enclosed gear train, a water pump for cooling, a radiator, a mounted loader, a tail lite, a road gear???/ heck,, I"m asking today,, This post was edited by BDT in Minnesota at 07:48:25 10/09/12. [Reply]  [No Email]
Tramway guy 10-09-2012 07:31:07 24.92.254.197 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   Sheppard would not have been first with direct start diesel, since the Oliver 80 had a diesel option in 1940. [Reply]  [No Email]
Dalet 10-09-2012 07:03:45 184.94.141.146 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   The roll-o-matic was invented by Adolph Ronning in Boyd, MN. He originally took it to IH since he had sold other patents on sileage choppers to them, but they weren't interested. He took it to Deere and the rest is history. Adolf was very smart, he invented the self propelled road grader also. This post was edited by Dalet at 07:06:03 10/09/12. [Reply]  [No Email]
Commercial Farmer 10-09-2012 05:43:38 184.9.44.169 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   All these firsts and not one by JD? [Reply]  [No Email]
rrlund 10-09-2012 06:19:13 207.241.137.116 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Commercial Farmer, 10-09-2012 05:43:38   Deere never stole a patent they didn't like. [Reply]  [No Email]
low budget 10-09-2012 06:15:40 70.100.203.104 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Commercial Farmer, 10-09-2012 05:43:38   Deere was first with factory power steering, rack and pinion axle adjustment,closed center hydraulics and roll over protection,to name a few. [Reply]  [No Email]
low budget 10-09-2012 17:00:11 74.36.63.60 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to low budget, 10-09-2012 06:15:40   Thought of a couple more. Deere had the first tractor to provide 4 sources of power: drawbar, belt pulley, PTO and power lift. (Model GP) Also first articulated 4 wheel drive with row crop capability (7020 and 7520) First to use an intercooler on turbo tractors (4620) [Reply]  [No Email]
Jack a 10-10-2012 04:35:46 129.176.151.11 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to low budget, 10-09-2012 17:00:11   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see I believe White's A4T-1400 and A4T 1600 (also produced as Oliver, MM, and Cockshutt models) came out in 1969 with row crop capability. A year or two before the 7020/7520. Also Massey-Harris produced a row crop articulated 4wd in 1930. [Reply]  [No Email]
Jack a 10-10-2012 04:50:32 129.176.151.11 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Jack a, 10-10-2012 04:35:46   Allis was involved in building the first Atom bomb. The first betatron x-ray machine in the US was built by Allis Allis invented the first multi v-belt drives Allis built the largest engines in the world in the 19th century and the largest in the world for the first half of the 20th century. These engines provided power for large cities. Allis had the largest milling machines and foundries in the world through most of the 20th century. Allis built the largest crawlers in the world when they introduced the HD19, then the HD20, HD21, then the monster HD41. Allis was building turbochargers during WWII for B17 Flying Fortresses and P51 Mustangs. [Reply]  [No Email]
low budget 10-10-2012 18:59:49 74.46.14.109 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Jack a, 10-10-2012 04:50:32   Jack a, I have no problem being corrected but the original poster asked about tractor firsts. Many things such as turbos were used in construction and military equipment long before they made it to farm tractors. I was wrong about Deere having the first 4wd articulated row crop, I had forgotten the Olivers were actualy a couple of years older. I was aware of the Massey Harris of the 30s but it was not articulated or even considered successful for that matter. Someone else mentioned the Allis WD having closed center hyd, I knew they were unusual in being high pressure and low volume but I thought they were an open center pump with an unload valve. We had an early D17 with the same system. Ours had an auxilary valve to run an ordinary 2 way cylinder. It plugged into the one way cylinder coupler on the rockshaft. You had to have the lift lever locked in the raise position to feed it pressure. I would describe as barely adequate. By the way, on the subject of firsts, wasnt Allis the first to go belly up in the 80s farm slump? Just razzing you. :>) [Reply]  [No Email]
Jack a 10-10-2012 23:44:35 70.35.110.239 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to low budget, 10-10-2012 18:59:49   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Success or not the MH GP 4x4 was a row crop 4wd. No one said anything about articulated I don't think. Not going back to look but if we are talking ariculated then Steiger was way out in front and Deere built the failed 8010/8020 in 1959. The WD was open center with a manually adjustable rate of flow and worked great using Allis or high pressure cylinders. The D17 offered an optional auxilary pump with 2 way valves that was compatable with low pressure systems but very few were ever ordered with it as the Allis system worked fine when using Allis equipment. The pump was just like the pump on the Series IV D17. Allis wasn't the first to go under. IH was a year earlier. Razz all you want I can take it. :) [Reply]  [No Email]
sixtyninegmc 10-10-2012 11:40:33 216.67.75.174 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Jack a, 10-10-2012 04:50:32   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Sorry, Jack, you just invalidated your entire rant for me. No turbo on a P-51, so pretty hard for allis to build it. Did you do more research on the rest of your tidbits? [Reply]  [No Email]
Jack a 10-10-2012 13:12:19 129.176.151.11 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to sixtyninegmc, 10-10-2012 11:40:33   sixtyninegmc said: (quoted from post at 11:40:33 10/10/12) Jack a said: (quoted from post at 04:50:32 10/10/12) Allis was involved in building the first Atom bomb. The first betatron x-ray machine in the US was built by Allis Allis invented the first multi v-belt drives Allis built the largest engines in the world in the 19th century and the largest in the world for the first half of the 20th century. These engines provided power for large cities. Allis had the largest milling machines and foundries in the world through most of the 20th century. Allis built the largest crawlers in the world when they introduced the HD19, then the HD20, HD21, then the monster HD41. Allis was building turbochargers during WWII for B17 Flying Fortresses and P51 Mustangs. Sorry, Jack, you just invalidated your entire rant for me. No turbo on a P-51, so pretty hard for allis to build it. Did you do more research on the rest of your tidbits? Nope, going by memory. Could have been the P38 but you are splitting hairs as Allis did build turbos for WWII war planes and the exact model plane is of little consequence. BTW how was I ranting and how does a mistake in a plane model invalidate everything I typed? This post was edited by Jack a at 13:14:11 10/10/12. [Reply]  [No Email]
sixtyninegmc 10-10-2012 13:18:23 216.67.75.174 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Jack a, 10-10-2012 13:12:19   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see And General Motors built tanks and Fighter planes, that they had nothing to do with the R&D of. Means very little. Talking about tractors here. And CAT crawlers have outdone A-C for years :P [Reply]  [No Email]
Jack a 10-10-2012 13:23:55 129.176.151.11 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to sixtyninegmc, 10-10-2012 13:18:23   You must be the posting cop. Sorry I offended your eyes by typing something that didn't deal exclusively with tractors. I would hope Cat crawlers have been out doing Allis crawlers for years as they haven't made an Allis Chalmers crawler since about 1974. [Reply]  [No Email]
sixtyninegmc 10-10-2012 13:34:41 216.67.75.174 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Jack a, 10-10-2012 13:23:55   Nope, not the posting cop, just love poking brand loyalists like you. As for crawlers, read the nebraska tests of cat D8s VS. the GM engined allis HD series. There is a reason Allis stopped making them in `74 :D [Reply]  [No Email]
Jack a 10-10-2012 15:39:01 70.35.110.239 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to sixtyninegmc, 10-10-2012 13:34:41   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see I'm not going to get into a shouting match over which is better a Cat or Allis dozer built in the 1940's. Nebraska testing was the best testing they had but is subjective as sometimes whather had some to do with it. I also don't doubt a D8 was good as there ar plenty out there that attest to that. When th ice storm of 1991 hit Minnesota, a company that was working in the area out of Iowa had all Allis crawlers working to put the large power lines up throughout the winter. Thre were many (more than a handful) and this was after Allis was out of the crawler business for almost 20 years. They couldn't have been too bad. A friend of mine that used to work in a local quarry said it wa alwas a race to see who got to operate the Allis dozer cause of so much more work it could do. They could really bare down and push. Too much at times as the finals in some models failed and the torque from pushing so much was what tey blamed but they always could push more than a Cat. Were they the best? I don't know but they were good. My father still has an HD11 on the farm and it's been a great tractor and it's the easiest starting diesel I've been around. I don't know why that 516 starts so good while most of the 426 and 301 Allis' start almost as hard as an old Deere. [Reply]  [No Email]
Jack a 10-10-2012 05:05:13 129.176.151.11 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Jack a, 10-10-2012 04:50:32   Combine innovations by Gleaner and Allis There is a long long list like variable speed cylinder, electrohydraulic controls, stone protection, auto reel and corn head speed that my old L2 has, bin full alarm, corn head, quick attach heads, hydraulic variable ground speed, easy access cylinder, reversible cylinder bars, rasp bars, rubber faced cylinder and concave bars also known as rub-bars, fan volume control from the operator's platform, low profile corn snouts like on the 1940's corn picker, adjustable stripper plates to prevent shelling also on the old corn pickers, auger feed for the grain head, rotary combine by 1930 or so, grain loss monitor by 1972 in the L, torque sensing drives also on the 1972 L, visual tailings return, variable speed cylinder control from the operators platform, automatic flip up bin extensions, 12 row corn head, 8 row corn head, 315 bu. grain tank, 245 bu. grain tank, accelerator rolls and there's a bit I've forgotten. [Reply]  [No Email]
Jack a 10-10-2012 05:05:00 129.176.151.11 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Jack a, 10-10-2012 04:50:32   Combine innovations by Gleaner and Allis There is a long long list like variable speed cylinder, electrohydraulic controls, stone protection, auto reel and corn head speed that my old L2 has, bin full alarm, corn head, quick attach heads, hydraulic variable ground speed, easy access cylinder, reversible cylinder bars, rasp bars, rubber faced cylinder and concave bars also known as rub-bars, fan volume control from the operator's platform, low profile corn snouts like on the 1940's corn picker, adjustable stripper plates to prevent shelling also on the old corn pickers, auger feed for the grain head, rotary combine by 1930 or so, grain loss monitor by 1972 in the L, torque sensing drives also on the 1972 L, visual tailings return, variable speed cylinder control from the operators platform, automatic flip up bin extensions, 12 row corn head, 8 row corn head, 315 bu. grain tank, 245 bu. grain tank, accelerator rolls and there's a bit I've forgotten. [Reply]  [No Email]
Jack a 10-10-2012 04:11:02 129.176.151.11 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to low budget, 10-09-2012 17:00:11   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Deere may have beat Allis by a year or 2 with an intercooled turboed tractor but I guarantee Allis had intercooled turboed engines before Deere. They were building them for industrial purposes like dozers and large mining trucks by at least the early 60's. Of course they were building V12 engines by that time with 2,035 cubic inches too. [Reply]  [No Email]
d beatty 10-09-2012 05:58:13 24.12.128.253 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Commercial Farmer, 10-09-2012 05:43:38   Isn't John Deere the first and only company to have the Roll-o-Matic narrow front end? [Reply]  [No Email]
Janicholson 10-09-2012 06:38:58 199.17.6.160 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to d beatty, 10-09-2012 05:58:13   IIRC the Roll-o-matic was offered to IH first but their tests indicated that it was not cost effective. Jim [Reply]  [No Email]
Dachshund 10-09-2012 05:18:58 216.139.126.249 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   "Ford" (not THE Ford) built the tractor that first forced the start of the Nebraska Tractor Test Lab. [Reply]  [No Email]
Diydave 10-09-2012 03:05:46 96.244.158.253 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   First spinout wheels, and PA front wheel axle, Again Allis Chalmers! First rear engine cultivating tractor, the G, first over 100hp, the D-21, in 1963, first fuel cell tractor, the list goes on! [Reply]  [No Email]
LarrySTN 10-09-2012 04:56:57 71.54.89.157 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Diydave, 10-09-2012 03:05:46   John Deere built the 5010 in 1963 and it produced 117 hp and nebraska. [Reply]  [No Email]
Trkr 10-08-2012 20:15:54 71.179.76.55 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   Sheppard Diesel,first direct start diesel tractor 1949. [Reply]  [No Email]
Larry NEIL 10-08-2012 20:00:27 76.203.22.247 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   I believe Oliver had the firs overhead valve 6 cylinder with full electric system as "standard equipment. 1935 Oliver/Hart Parr 70. [Reply]  [No Email]
GreenEnvy 10-08-2012 19:46:06 216.220.12.48 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   Key word you should have used it first "successful" as in reliable and mass produced because you can nitpick some of the tractor "firsts" if you dig deep enough like some on here are doing. Like the first turboed factory tractor goes to AC but there were Wagners with turboed Cummins running around out here in MT couple years before the D-19. But not very many Wagners were made and they are not known well enough like AC which is why they get the nod. [Reply]  [No Email]
sourgum 10-08-2012 19:39:37 209.183.32.50 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   Oliver was first tractor to have a six speed transmission as standard equipment. [Reply]  [No Email]
wisbaker 10-08-2012 19:33:54 207.118.150.144 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   I H first rear PTO shaft. Minnie-Mo first factory Cab. [Reply]  [No Email]
IaGary 10-08-2012 19:46:45 108.160.229.48 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to wisbaker, 10-08-2012 19:33:54   Yep 1918 IH offer PTO as an option, first tractor to have it. And as standard equipment in 1922 on a McCormick Deering 15-30. Gary [Reply]  [No Email]
rustred 10-08-2012 19:13:09 72.172.100.113 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   international harvester was the first to come out with a deisel engine in 1934. [Reply]  [No Email]
donjr 10-09-2012 10:54:40 72.71.177.74 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to rustred, 10-08-2012 19:13:09   By the way, you're etiil somewhat correct- the WD40 was the first wheel tractor with a diesel engine. But Cat beat it to the market by three years. [Reply]  [No Email]
donjr 10-09-2012 10:19:15 72.71.177.74 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to rustred, 10-08-2012 19:13:09   Sorry, Red. Model 65 Caterpillar in 1931 was the first Diesel. [Reply]  [No Email]
Royse 10-08-2012 19:00:48 69.36.49.151 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to RusselAZ, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see I was thinking US models. I forget about Ferguson's prototype 'black tractor'. Thanks for getting the right info out there! [Reply]  [No Email]
rrlund 10-08-2012 18:53:00 207.241.137.116 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   Hart Parr,first TRACTOR,period. They were the first to use that term. [Reply]  [No Email]
9t9bluetj 10-08-2012 18:42:54 50.36.94.21 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to omahagreg, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see actually it was the Tructor built in benton harbor mich [Reply]  [No Email]
IaGary 10-08-2012 18:16:37 108.160.229.48 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   First factory turbo- AC D19 First live or independent PTO Oliver First shift on the go without clutch (power shift) Farmall MTA Gary [Reply]  [No Email]
donjr 10-09-2012 10:29:59 72.71.177.74 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to IaGary, 10-08-2012 18:16:37   First "continuous running" PTO was introduced by James Cockshutt in 1947, in Canada. [Reply]  [No Email]
Walt Davies 10-08-2012 20:07:10 70.199.229.38 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to IaGary, 10-08-2012 18:16:37   Cochshutt invented the live PTO showed it at the Nebraska trials but didn't have pattened so Oliver stole it to put on there tractor. Walt [Reply]  [No Email]
RevJJ 10-08-2012 21:29:59 96.226.5.152 Report to Moderator	Hart Parr had first live pto in 1920s in reply to Walt Davies, 10-08-2012 20:07:10   Nope...In the '20's the PTOSHart Parr's used on their last series of horizontal engined tractors ran off the right hand side were live, but there wasn't really enough PTO driven equipment available at the time for them to realize what a plus that was. [Reply]  [No Email]
donjr 10-08-2012 18:48:09 72.71.177.74 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to IaGary, 10-08-2012 18:16:37   Never knew Farmalittle had a powershift before a Ford Jerk-o-matic. Always thought it was atorque amplifier, and not a really good one, at that. [Reply]  [No Email]
IaGary 10-08-2012 18:53:01 108.160.229.48 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to donjr, 10-08-2012 18:48:09   I don't know, mine was new in 54 and never been rebuilt and still works on my MTA. How did it amplify the torgue? By shifting to a slower speed. [Reply]  [No Email]
rustred 10-08-2012 19:15:50 72.172.100.113 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to IaGary, 10-08-2012 18:53:01   because you cant have both. decrease speed with same rpm and you have more torque. [Reply]  [No Email]
donjr 10-08-2012 19:08:55 72.71.177.74 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to IaGary, 10-08-2012 18:53:01   Mechanical hi-lo clutch, not really a 'powershift' by a long shot. And A-C had a hi-lo bar on theirs pretty early also, which gave them a form of 'live' PTO on some WD's. The MTA was still a gear drive tractor with 5 speeds and the TA. The Ford Jerk-o-matic was about the first automatic, and later bought by JD and turned into a smoother 'powershift', available in the -010 series. There might have been a few other attempts at a powershift transmision, but I never saw them around here. The first IH machines I can remember having a true powershift tranny were the Hydro's, I think in the -56 series in the mid 70's. [Reply]  [No Email]
JMS/.MN 10-09-2012 07:17:56 64.93.124.141 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to donjr, 10-08-2012 19:08:55   1948 WD had the hand clutch to give live pto/hyd. It"s not "sort of" live- anytime you can STOP the wheel motion without interrupting the other, it is live. "Independent" is when you can start hyd/pto whenever the engine is running. WD hand clutch was not a Hi-Lo........that started with the D Series, 1957. [Reply]  [No Email]
donjr 10-09-2012 09:33:17 72.71.177.74 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to JMS/.MN, 10-09-2012 07:17:56   We have always called that "constant running", because the other units, like MF and Ford, smaller JD's, etc., have a two-stage clutch to engage the PTO before transmitting power to the wheels. But the clutch has to be depressed to engage the PTO, then released part way to start the PTO, as on the MF 65 series. Live PTO to us is one that is totally independant of the clutch, as with IH, JD and most larger units, where the clutch doesn't care whether it in or out to engage the PTO. Direct PTO is what is found on the older tractors- disengage the clutch, engage PTO, re-engage the clutch, and the tractor and the PTO turn at the same time from the one clutch. The first tractors I can remember with real, honest injun, live PTO were the 50 and 60 series JD's and a few IH Supers. [Reply]  [No Email]
Jack a 10-09-2012 11:42:59 129.176.151.11 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to donjr, 10-09-2012 09:33:17   The correct designation is "live PTO" is like on the WD, continous and able to stop tractor motion and keep PTO turning. "Independent PTO" is like an old Oliver, completely independent of tractor motion and you can start and stop whether tractor is moving or not. That's what mechanic classes teach. I know that for a fact. [Reply]  [No Email]
MFPoor 10-09-2012 02:47:52 72.4.0.230 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to donjr, 10-08-2012 19:08:55   JD didn't buy the ford Select-O-Speed. Deere's design was their own, and it is a totally different approach. The false/misleading rumors regarding Ford/JD are the result of the lead engineer from Ford (who was responsible for the 8N) left Ford when they pushed the Select-O-Speed into production before it was ready. He went to Deere and was chief engineer on the 4010/4020 (among other things) Deere already had begun their design later introduced as the PowerShift. ALL this is well documented. [Reply]  [No Email]
MFPoor 10-09-2012 05:49:43 72.4.0.230 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to MFPoor, 10-09-2012 02:47:52   Oh...And by the way, Deere's PowerShift wasn't first available on XX10 series. It was first offered on Xx20 series on 1964 model year tractors. [Reply]  [No Email]
donjr 10-09-2012 09:08:58 72.71.177.74 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to MFPoor, 10-09-2012 05:49:43   As some of this may be true, I think, if you check back, powershift was first offered on the 2510 seres. I'm not sure exactly when but they were built from 66 to 68. [Reply]  [No Email]
MFPoor 10-09-2012 11:00:49 72.4.0.230 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to donjr, 10-09-2012 09:08:58   As ALL of what I said was true...And the 2510 didn't go into production until AFTER the 20 series was in full production, the PowerSHift was first offered ON 20 Series Deere's. Just own up to the fact you were wrong and let it go. [Reply]  [No Email]
dhermesc 10-09-2012 05:39:13 24.248.193.103 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to MFPoor, 10-09-2012 02:47:52   Looks like donjr is getting a lesson. [Reply]  [No Email]
IaGary 10-08-2012 19:11:12 108.160.229.48 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to donjr, 10-08-2012 19:08:55   I guess I shouldn't have called it a power shift. I was just using that as an example. It was the first shift on the go without a clutch. gary [Reply]  [No Email]
MF tractor 10-08-2012 18:50:17 96.53.210.246 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to donjr, 10-08-2012 18:48:09   MF claims they had the first shift-on-the-go without using a clutch. [Reply]  [No Email]
IaGary 10-08-2012 19:43:13 108.160.229.48 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to MF tractor, 10-08-2012 18:50:17   Massey shift on the go came out in 59. IH 54 [Reply]  [No Email]
MF tractor 10-08-2012 22:00:09 96.53.210.246 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to IaGary, 10-08-2012 19:43:13   MF might have had a prototype before they put it into production. I can't remenber what tractor first had multi-power but I did read that MF claimed it was the first no clutch hi/low. [Reply]  [No Email]
Jack a 10-09-2012 05:55:35 129.176.151.11 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to MF tractor, 10-08-2012 22:00:09   MF might claim first hi lo shift on the go by prototype but everyone had prototypes and some are lost to history. Allis built a WD with a 5 speed full power shift as a prototype in the late 40's or early 50's and also the D or F in the early 40's that may have had a few with a shift on the go. It doesn't count. I'm not sure if these are firsts but they are very early for Allis........... Alternator- D21 1963 Turbo- HD21 1955/ D19 1961 power shift rear wheels- WD 1948 roll shift front axle- D14 1957 PFC hydraulics- 7030/7050 1973 common use of high strength steel- 1934 WC tilt steering wheel- D21 1963 dry air cleaner- HD21 1955? large operator's platform- D21 1963 right hand console controls for throttle, hi-lo shift, remotes, 3 point, PTO- 190 1964 ground level fuel tank- 7030/7050 1973 telescoping steering wheel- 7030/7050 1973 helical gear transmission- HD14 1947/ CA 1950 torque converter transmission- 1947 HD14 rubber ag tires as option- U 1931 rubber ag tires standard equipment- U 1932 standard equipment electric lights and starter- WC 1938 styled tractor- B 1937 wasp style tractor frame- B 1937 sleeved engine- 1918 E optional electric starter- 10-18 1914 remote adjustable rate of flow- WD 1948 remote rate of flow control in cab- 7030/7050 Most powerful 2wd- 7080 1974 Most powerful rowcrop- D21 1963 Most powerful rowcrop- D21 Series II 1965 rear 3-point hitch control from behind tractor for easy hookups- D21 1963 or 190 1964 Electric hour meter that runs only when tractor is running and not just when key is on- 7000 series 1976 quietest tractor cab- 7030/7050 1973 extendable lower 3-point links- 1963 D19 Shall we talk combine firsts or early developments? [Reply]  [No Email]
Jack a 10-09-2012 05:53:27 129.176.151.11 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to MF tractor, 10-08-2012 22:00:09   MF might claim first hi lo shift on the go by prototype but everyone had prototypes and some are lost to history. Allis built a WD with a 5 speed full power shift as a prototype in the late 40's or early 50's and also the D or F in the early 40's that may have had a few with a shift on the go. It doesn't count. I'm not sure if these are firsts but they are very early for Allis........... Alternator- D21 1963 Turbo- HD21 1955/ D19 1961 power shift rear wheels- WD 1948 roll shift front axle- D14 1957 PFC hydraulics- 7030/7050 1973 common use of high strength steel- 1934 WC tilt steering wheel- D21 1963 dry air cleaner- HD21 1955? large operator's platform- D21 1963 right hand console controls for throttle, hi-lo shift, remotes, 3 point, PTO- 190 1964 ground level fuel tank- 7030/7050 1973 telescoping steering wheel- 7030/7050 1973 helical gear transmission- HD14 1947/ CA 1950 torque converter transmission- 1947 HD14 rubber ag tires as option- U 1931 rubber ag tires standard equipment- U 1932 standard equipment electric lights and starter- WC 1938 styled tractor- B 1937 wasp style tractor frame- B 1937 sleeved engine- 1918 E optional electric starter- 10-18 1914 remote adjustable rate of flow- WD 1948 remote rate of flow control in cab- 7030/7050 Most powerful 2wd- 7080 1974 Most powerful rowcrop- D21 1963 Most powerful rowcrop- D21 Series II 1965 rear 3-point hitch control from behind tractor for easy hookups- D21 1963 or 190 1964 Electric hour meter that runs only when tractor is running and not just when key is on- 7000 series 1976 quietest tractor cab- 7030/7050 1973 extendable lower 3-point links- 1963 D19 Shall we talk combine firsts or early developments? [Reply]  [No Email]
d beatty 10-08-2012 18:20:21 24.12.128.253 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to IaGary, 10-08-2012 18:16:37   The first tractor in the world to have live pto was Cockshutt. [Reply]  [No Email]
IaGary 10-08-2012 19:49:38 108.160.229.48 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to d beatty, 10-08-2012 18:20:21   Cockshutt was the first to test a tractor at Nebraska test in 1947 with live PTO but Oliver came out with it in 1946. [Reply]  [No Email]
d beatty 10-08-2012 21:05:19 24.12.128.253 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to IaGary, 10-08-2012 19:49:38   IaGary 1946 Cockshutt model 30 had live pto and was the first in Canada. Oliver was the first American made tractor with live pto and came out in 1947. Got info. out Cockshutt archive history. [Reply]  [No Email]
oliver fan 10-08-2012 18:44:26 96.60.214.55 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to d beatty, 10-08-2012 18:20:21   The first company to offer Live power take off on their tractors was Hart Parr in 1926. [Reply]  [No Email]
samn40 10-08-2012 18:13:44 81.135.25.67 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   Sorry Royse, Ferguson built the first 'Black tractor' with 3 point Then David Brown produced it for him. 1936-1939 Ford produced them from 39-46 Sam [Reply]  [No Email]
boomer1 10-08-2012 18:13:26 199.120.66.146 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   IH made the first tractor you could not drive in the fog--the nose was too long you knocked over light and telephone poles at the end of the field!!! [Reply]  [No Email]
thurlow 10-08-2012 18:11:10 74.177.51.153 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   Essex had the first tri-directional............. [Reply]  [No Email]
Dachshund 10-08-2012 18:08:16 216.139.126.249 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   IH had the first successful row crop tractor. [Reply]  [No Email]
Royse 10-08-2012 18:02:06 69.36.49.151 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Bendee, 10-08-2012 17:59:32   Ford first with the Fergusen system i.e. 3 pt hitch. [Reply]  [No Email]
Karl in MD 10-09-2012 07:58:04 167.102.133.216 Report to Moderator	Re: Tractor Firsts in reply to Royse, 10-08-2012 18:02:06   John Deere actually didn't have the first closed-center hydraulics, Allis did on the WD in 1948, but Allis didn't have the first telescoping steering wheel, Deere had it on the M in 1947. The first tilt-telescope was Oliver in the mid 60s. [Reply]  [No Email]