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I guess hot water heating isn't that common in the States as farb as residential is it??
Having a new system put in in (within) a few weeks... Went yesterday to a big fair type thing and there were plenty of heating folks there to sell their products....
Gas (except propane) is not an option for us and heating oil is about 6 bucks a gallon now. Pellets cost about half per year compared to oil price so seems like a no brainer......

Oil guys say that pellet prices (costs) will match oil prices soon and a new oil boiler costs about half what a pellet setup does. Pellet guys say that even if costs match that the pellet system will run half as much as an oil system....

Anyone have experience with both and can give an honest comparison?? SWMBO has pellets stuck in her head, so prolly the way we go unless someone can convince me to take another look...

Thanks, Dav
 
Dave,
I put in a geo thermal several years ago, well worth the additional cost. Also have a wood stove that we use daily. Geothermal is worth considering .
 
(quoted from post at 05:29:26 10/08/12) Dave,
I put in a geo thermal several years ago, well worth the additional cost. Also have a wood stove that we use daily. Geothermal is worth considering .
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Not here (so they say)... Houses are too close together and permits are too high.... Worse thing I ever done was put floor heating in the living room...... really the only reason we need a boiler... We have 2 wood stoves that get occasional use that could be replaced with programmable pellet stoves and keep everything cozy except the dam LR floor.. Only thing more hard headed than a German woman is a German woman with floor heating that don't work :roll:
 
I have been using fire wood to heat water for 31 years with the same stove. I pump the hot water through plastic pipes in the concrete floor, the word is hydraunic heat. Was not a house hold word 31 years ago. Very economical, the circulation pump is 1/25 hp and pulls .75 amps on 110v. I try and keep the water temperature at about 110 to 120 degrees. I regulate the temperature by how much wood and how often it is added to the stove.
 
We just replaced our old Tarm wood gasification boiler with a
new AHS boiler that is built like the old Eshlund design and are
very happy with it. It burns firewood or pellets or sawdust or
whatever wood products you have(we do firewood). If your only
need for hydronic heat is the living room floor it seems like you
wouldn't need a very big heating device, so I am wondering if
there wouldn't be some sort of electric heater that would do that,
or how small of a boiler you can get. It would seem like buying a
boiler that is way bigger than you need is going to be expensive
and may not be the most efficient method.
Zach
 

House is heated with radiators when the stoves are off and it's nice not to have to stay on top of a fire to keep the temps comfortable. If that floor didn't have to be warm, I wouldn't even need to run a boiler except for hot (shower) water in winter...... We just need a small unit (1 kw).... Electric is too expensive..
 
Dave, I have installed Harman WPBs and WPFs. Sold and installed ProFab OWBs and Baxi on-demand tankless water heaters, tied into Solar Thermo Collectors. If I were you, I would consider an on-demand water heater to supply 110-120D water to the radiant floor, and perhaps heat your Domestic Hot Water also. They are small, direct vent through exterior wall and can be mounted on a wall thus saving a lot of space. Any of the boilers you are refering to are way too big and thus will be inefficient.
Loren the Acg.
PS I have also used oil and gas fired Domestic hotwater heaters, to run Radient heating systems.
Depending on what you have for a heater now you could conceivably hook into that with a water to water heat exchanger, mixing valve, circ. pump, and Tstat.
 
I have a 24 X 30 shop with in-floor heating that I heat with an electric water heater. Costs me about $1 a day in Wisconsin to heat it. ( I get the cheap(controlled)rate) I would think that would work for you.
 
I did my own system. It uses a gasification boiler (Biomass brand). I burn it maybe three hours a day up to six hours a day, wide open, and store the heat in a 500 gallon propane (now water) tank. I absolutely love it. The house operates like a gas or oil furnace, without the cost. Stay late at work, no problem. I don't deal with a fire in the morning, but the tank pulls me through until night. I'm not sure if we can link other forums, so google it up "gasification boiler forum."

Good luck,

Bill
 
I am with Adirondack on this one, Germany is a leader in solar tech, and a bad batch of oil almost killed us last year... a kerosene mix seems to be working this time, time will tell, but in general- oil sucks. Pellets only throw heat with a fan going 24 /7 , no power=no heat, and the cost of a squirrel cage going non stop, what's your power bill now? That can squish the numbers. Next project will be solar photovoltaic, even tho we got circulating hot water, 110 volts can heat water too.... just a pipedream I hausinated one day....
 
no pellet boiler but a nat gas boiler and a pellet stove.

Like the gas boiler and use it more when gas is cheap like it is now and use pellet stove for extra comfort in family room and when gas is high $.

As other mentioned the pellet stove does use electric for both the exhaust blower and room blower. The boiler wouldn't draw much with a small circulation pump. IF you go pellet, make sure it will burn other materials (corn, pits, ect ect) or as others mentioned some will also burn firewood too.
 
The Case Guy might be onto something about trying to build/extend something onto the domestic hot water system to serve the floor heat. I have seen some similar installations on this side of the big lake. DHW systems are operating at temperatures that directly apply to floor heat.

Once that issue is solved just do what you want for the rest of the place.

Kirk
 

We have an oil burner for our whole house hot water heating system. Had a heat pump installed and run it until it gets too cold for it to keep up. The hot water system does a nice job, very even heat and dead quiet, at least upstairs. Last load of oil was 3.55/gal. last spring.

At our previous house we had geothermal and loved it. Not able financial-wise to put something like that in now. Wish we would have back when we bought this place 10 yrs. ago, but oil was cheap (relatively) then.
 
(quoted from post at 10:01:04 10/08/12) The Case Guy might be onto something about trying to build/extend something onto the domestic hot water system to serve the floor heat. I have seen some similar installations on this side of the big lake. DHW systems are operating at temperatures that directly apply to floor heat.

Once that issue is solved just do what you want for the rest of the place.

Kirk
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Floor heating was an afterthought. Installed the central heating myself and put radiators in the rooms and all lines are covered with walls now. I just took the radiator out of the living room when we redone the floor and used the supply and return lines for the floor loops......
SWMBO just came home all excited.... she was talking about it at work and someone told her about rebates when you get off of oil... She done some googling and sure enough.... Plenty of programs that rebate and give no interest loans and discounted materials.... Biggest rebates are on pellet only systems (thank the treehuggers)..... We are getting a new roof and insulating the attic this month and will get enough kickback on that to almost cover material for insulating and board & batten siding for the rest of the house........
 
I have a 24x30 shop in Northern Wisconsin with in
floor radiant heat it heats well with a regular gas
water heater even on the coldest days and with me
moving cars & trucks in and out.
 
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