ot; all this younger gen; slamming

Guys; This has always been the case ! Everyone older always thinks the young kids are terrible and don't know anything. I ran into this attitude all the time when I was young and first started tractor repair.
Sure many don't ! But now my kids are one out of high school and one in the last year. Some of thier friends are amazing ! And give me hope for the future.

Now on to the BIGGER PROBLEM ,employers !!!!

Boy went to put an application in at the local step 2 facility and boy what a joke that company is ! They won't even take an application if you have never had a job before. So now just how in the heck is one ever to get any work history ? Now more then ever before we need aprenticeships.
The work force is getting older and older and the new ones have no way to learn. So if jobs ever do come back over here no one will remember how to make anything.

"How can I get a job, if every job requires work experience?"

That's a question as old as the oldest profession.

Yet somehow, everyone that's willing and determined, and even most of the ones that aren't, manage to get their feet in the door, find jobs, and make a living for themselves.

Really, it's a BS excuse. There are a TON of "no experience required" jobs out there. Work at a big box store. Work flipping burgers. Work delivering newspapers.

In fact, those are mostly the kinds of jobs that are out there now. That's all employers are looking for, is that you had *A* job.

I leveraged my "work study" as previous experience to land my first job.

Guess mine were lucky. Tell somebody you milked cows twice a day,seven days a week for five or six years and the door swings open right quick.

Well you're not exactly right.
If it is general work experience then any job will do BUT if it's a speific type of job like tractor repair then only that kind of experience is allowed. Now just how do you propose to get it?

(quoted from post at 13:25:22 09/06/12) Guess mine were lucky. Tell somebody you milked cows twice a day,seven days a week for five or six years and the door swings open right quick.

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in't that the truth,...but that was in the past when there were still small dairys and such and the gov-ment minded their own business.
Farm kids knew how to work back then.
But back then if you wanted a job you just walked in the business of choice and asked if they were in need of somebody.

There was no aplication to fill out, just a week to prove yourself.

(quoted from post at 14:28:08 09/06/12) Well you're not exactly right.
If it is general work experience then any job will do BUT if it's a speific type of job like tractor repair then only that kind of experience is allowed. Now just how do you propose to get it?

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I had fiddled as a kid with motorcycles and had a bit experience with wrenches.I was a fast learner.
Then at age 17 i seen a add for a mechanic at a custom outfit.
I begged the guy to give me a change,..he finally said OK,..you got a week to prove your worth.
I been there 4 years, i got fired when i started my dairyfarm.
He wanted me to work only for him.
One hour later i had an other job,..building generators.

I will be 30 this coming Monday, I am a park manger, been with the same park system for 12 years. I manage over 600 acres of park land and trails. I hire and I fire. During my summer I have 6 crew members normally from the age of 18-65. I normally higher high school kids that never had a job for that is how I got started. I try to higher a person in their 50-60s. The guy I hired this year in his 60s tried to strangle two of my other employees...he decided his temper was too bad after the last episode and quit. I didn't find out about the first one until after the second one or he would have been gone along time ago.

There is good and bad in every age group. To say everyone in their 20s and 30s are morons...does rub me the wrong way. I work 90-100 hours a every two weeks and get paid for 70 (no OT). I do it because I love my job and take pride in what my parks look like. I sure am not getting rich working for the county.

Well, these days kids are "kids" that can stay on their parents health care until they are 26 year-old kids, because after all, they are just kids. That gave me an idea, so I asked the wife how about we adopt a couple of hot looking blond female kids for me to raise somewhere between the ages of say 21 and 25. My wife walked out on me, haven't seen her since.

But I have a serious question to ask. If kids remain dependent until they turn 26 because they can't or don't know how to take care of themselves, she they be allowed to vote under the age of 26? Seriously. If one is too incompetent to figure out how to take care of him or herself under the age of 26, how in the world can they possibly be competent enough to drink, smoke, drive, vote, or anything else? Seriously. I'm not looking for trouble, just asking what I think is the obvious.

Mark

The reason we are allowed to stay on is because anymore you have to have between 4-8 years of schooling to get a job. I can't afford health insurance thats for sure so being on my parents plan helps me out till I can get a job. My sister is on her 8th year of school. SO yes she has used my parents insurance. It is necessary for some. You cannot stay on their health insurance unless you are a full time student. So there are no free loaders.

Matt, it's always refreshing to hear that someone takes pride in his or her job. Now THAT is rare today. I wish that half of my employees really took pride in their jobs. I'll bet you have fine looking parks.

Growing up on a farm is a larger asset than a lot of people realize.

A number of years ago when my wife worked in our local City Clerk's office, a paving crew was working in town. One of the foremen happened to be in my wife's office on business of some sort one day. He told my wife if a farm kid applies for a job, they hire him on the spot. They like farm kids 'cause they're used to working around machinery.

Keith, best of luck with your education, you can't get started without it these days!
I love to see the posts of your equipment and tractors.
Looks like your dad is behind you in your passion. Helps you haul them and stuff.
Don't forget to add your folks to your insurance when they need it, and remember, it's not free loading.

Problem with your theory is I don't care if ye got 20 years experience flippin hamburgers I wouldn't hire ya to drive my combine when busy into a harvest season.

I started out at the good old age of 13 .. to prove my worth I helped stack a load of hay on the neighbors farm at that time my day job was selling the Grit news paper for 15¢ a copy (I made a nickle) I had a 3 mile bike run to deliver 14 papers so I already had an income of 70¢ a week and the farm was on the end of my run. He ask me what I expected for pay I told him a dollar a day and he seemed to jump on that....Forward about another month...He came to me and said if I'd stay through the winter he would pay me 50¢ an hour and learn to milk the cows feed , bed them and clean gutter...I jumped on that as it was before and after school
..forward to first cutting of hay after that I ended up helping all the neighbors because 4 farms used to do work for each other (share croping) either plowing or harrowing fields, I learned to rake hay with a side delivery rake.. then onto a riding combine with a sacker.. I was the sacker on two different machines don't even remember the brands one didn't have a chute to stack them on till ya got to a drop off point and bins set facing the driver of the tractor..you were behind the bin and the dust was almost unbearable especially in rag weed. the second one I didn't mind it left the man sacking set sideways away from most of the dust and had a sloped chute to stack full sacks so we could drop them in piles of 6 by that time I was making a whole 65¢ an hour that continued til I got my drivers license and I got a job on a Christmas tree farm for 75¢ an hour Did that till I was 18 and got my first truck driving job for $2.25 an hour putting in driveways
at the end of my 19th birthday My neighbors felt so good about me that they wanted to see me in uniform (At least that is what the letter said )
Many years passed since then, but my working career started through my determination to prove I could do it only because I wanted it bad enough.

Thanks Royse! And I can't thank my parents enough for all they
have done for me. I'm not spoiled. Always had to work for what I
needed but when I came up short they would help me out if I
NEEDED it not wanted it. When I hit it big(if ever) they will be very
well taken care of. I'll try to keep the pics coming!

Dang Matt, I was just thinking of you this afternoon, Was on this old run down farm, And low and behoed there were 3 cockshutt 40 there, 1 puller, 1 with a fel on the back, see post above about "back end loader" and another one waiting to get to work.

old time radio is a hobby of mine. Somewhere in my collection I have a newscaster talking about a group of soldier who were young. Newscaster goes on about how they are undisciplined, don't know what it is to work or go without like the generation before them.....
Then the newsbroadcast goes on to mention that they are on a troup ship headed to Quadalcanal.

I think every generation has thought the one coming up just isn't what they need to be. I think the truth is we're not, that's why they call it maturity and experience.

Jobs sacking are getting rather hard to find. Sounds like you'd be a good burger flipper if you get hard up.

Nope ..I'm done workin.... not like some other old geezers that wont quit so the youngns DON'T get a chance... I had my turn even ifn it wern't right

You don't have to be a student to stay on. I graduated in December and can stay on my parents until I am 26 and it doesn't cost them or me an extra dime....but I guess that makes me a freeloader even though I have a four year degree and work full time for a reclamation business (who would also pay for my healthcare if I already wasn't getting it free).....

It seems interesting to me that a lot of people want to blame the younger generations for the problems that they experience. Seems to me that some of the people that are doing the "slamming" of the current younger generation, that I think I may be part of, (I'm 31) were part of a generation that was divided into two vastly different groups. The first group got drafted (or volunteered) an were sent to a place called Vietnam to do a really un-popular job. The second group of this generation got to stay home and live the high life while wearing bell bottoms, sandals and tie dyed shirts. Now I realize that there were folks that didn't fit into either of these two groups. However, the two previously mentioned groups were the big ones. These two groups of people were obviously vastly different as they had opposing beliefs and views. People bit#hed an whined about the "kids" of that generation being a pain too no matter which group they were a part of. Today, I think it would be rather difficult to tell those two groups of people apart from each other. Most of them have become productive members of society. Just food for thought.

On no job if you haven't had one.....That's nothing new. I had the same problem 60 years ago. How do you get experience if you don't have a job apprenticeship?

Mark