My want ad post from yesterday...a new take...

OK guys (you know who you are)........... Let's use the KISS approach....

A guy is selling glasses of water and filling canteens for 50 cents to folks at a roadside (or sidewalk) stand all day everyday..... He's out there on Tuesday and it's hot... Along comes a guy all beat and tired lookin with an obviously empty lookin canteen and pretty desperate lookin....

Water guy flips his sign over to read $1.50 for a glass of water...

Simple enough????? That's the only thing that I was talking about.....

Call it whatever lets you look in the mirror or sleep at night............

And, get off the socialism kick.. Just shows your ignorance.......

NO DAVE you pi$$ and Moan about anyone making a buck but YOU!!!! You complain about this guy selling this and that guys selling that. Why is it any of YOUR BUSINESS!!!! What a person asks for his property is his business. What a person is willing to give for something is again HIS BUSINESS.

You seem to miss the fact that YOU want to decide what is the "correct" price for another man's property. That is what I meant by socialism.

I bet that the guy that was wanting the radiator to finish his project is happy he got it for $150. He gets to finish what he wants to. What he paid for it is HIS business. I have seen guys give ten times that for some thing I thought was stupid but it was THEIR money.

We all have missed deals. Some times we may not even know it was a deal but we passed on it any way. That is life. The only issue is calling someone a crook because he changes his price on something. You are real quick to do that all of the time.

In this case two weeks had passed. You or the seller turned down the original $50 price. That deal never was completed or even agreed too. So now you are complaining that the seller is willing to do more (shipping) for a higher reward($150). Different deal different time.

What does an aneurism feel like??????????????? I think I'm havin one.....

I have no problem with anyone making or spending a buck. And I'm sure the guy was happy to get what he got for the price. All good... We are going to look at a horse trailer this evening that is prolly overpriced, but if it's able to pass inspection, I'll be glad to get it to satisfy SWMBO.....

No pissin and moanin at all... Just my observation.... Makin a buck is no problem at all, how you go about it is a different story. Obviously everyone has an opinion on what is right and wrong. I have mine and you have yours.
I stand by integrity indefinitely and some put a time limit (2 weeks?) and price on it. To each their own............

Now, for example, had you got that lawnmower for free, put 5 bucks and 30 minutes into it to get it running, and advertised /sold it for 150... Good on ya.... I'd call that capitalism.... If you figgered it was a 50 buck lawnmower and offered it to someone who didn't take it... Then someone came by and just was desperate for a mower and you happened to have one for 150...only difference being the needs of the customer and he bought it.... Customer was happy but you cheated yourself...... IMHO

To each their own......

Besides..... This thread was talkin about a glass of water......

I've always thought that commerce is a motivated and willing seller, an inspired and willing buyer, arriving at a mutually-acceptable price, with perhaps logistics being part of the equation.

(quoted from post at 02:08:47 09/05/12) I've always thought that commerce is a motivated and willing seller, an inspired and willing buyer, arriving at a mutually-acceptable price, with perhaps logistics being part of the equation.

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It is..... I guess the "beauty" of how someone goes about it is in the eye of the beholder......... Sure don't wanna cause hard feelings with the guys that are arguing with me cause I value the help they give me and others....

Just wouldn't do business wifem or sit next to em in church (lightning yaknow) :roll:

Don't be thin skinned guys.......

Similar situation gas stations/7-11 charge around $1.49 for bottled water,go to Walmart and get it for 50 cents or your old beat up old buddy could do like I do and PLAIN AHEAD and bring a cooler or thermos with FREE water in it from home so I don't pay the 50 cents or the $1.49.The guy needing the $150 radiator could PlAIN AHEAD and get all his parts together before he started the project.There is $$$$ to be made on folks that don't PLAIN AHEAD by convience stores and by guys selling radiators more power to 'um.

Seller has every right in the world to determine his own selling price, just as the buyer has every right in the world to determine who he buys from.

Morals and ethics determine what course of action EITHER may take.

I've seen just as many potential buyers who try (and some succeed) to beat down a seller because the buyer recognizes the seller is in a financial bind. That's absolutely no different than your example.

When it comes to buying OR selling, take these words to heart. In the immortal words of 7-time NASCAR Champion, the late Dale Earnhardt Sr, "You better wrap kerosene soaked rags around your ankles so the ants don't crawl up your legs and eat your candy azz".

Kinda like gas going up for no other reason than a holiday weekend. A storm rolls through and a store raises its price on ice to 3 to 4 times the original price, thats price gouging.
Angle Iron

If the value of your integrity (your product, regardless of what it is, IMHO, is your integrity) is based on the severity of someone else's situation......

Live like you wanna live.........

Well Dave, I kinda agree with JD seller. IF the guy had agreed to sell it to you for $50.00 and told you he wanted $100.00 to pack and ship it it, it would be the same thing. You aren't comparing apples to apples. And to follow your logic out, if I needed a part from you and you sold it to me for $150.00 with shipping and then I found out later you sold an identical part for $50.00 to another person who picked it up...would I have grounds to complain? or if I found out you gave an identical item to a friend for $25.00, should I complain?

And, you do tend to go on about the glories of the socialist system you live in. No offense, but it's true.

(quoted from post at 04:25:08 09/05/12) Well Dave, I kinda agree with JD seller. IF the guy had agreed to sell it to you for $50.00 and told you he wanted $100.00 to pack and ship it it, it would be the same thing. You aren't comparing apples to apples. And to follow your logic out, if I needed a part from you and you sold it to me for $150.00 with shipping and then I found out later you sold an identical part for $50.00 to another person who picked it up...would I have grounds to complain? or if I found out you gave an identical item to a friend for $25.00, should I complain?

And, you do tend to go on about the glories of the socialist system you live in. No offense, but it's true.

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I'm givin you that look......................... the one like a monkey studyin a math problem............ Only one mentioning a socialist system is the ones that run out of other words to justify their views.....

Forget who sold what to who for how much and when......... If the value of a man's integrity is based on the severity of the hardship of another man........ Then I have no use for that man and don't feel bad about tellin about it. If you think price gouging, by whatever name, is right, so be it.... Don't make me a socialist because I disagree and call it out does it????

I'm gettin a headache............

I want to know whatever happened to The Golden Rule?

Dave2---I applaud your ethics on not wanting to take advantage of someone in real need. Life isn't about making every buck you possibly can, regardless of the situation. Where's compassion??I've sold some small acreage implements at a very reasonable price, and this one buyer tried to reduce the price even further. My response was---Hey, we can go the other way too !!

And Hotels charge more for their rooms at college towns when the home teams plays,Bars charge more on New Years Eve thats the way it works more demand equals higher prices works the other way too you can rent a hotel room at the beach in Oct real cheap.Capitalism not perfect but the best system ever invented.

He should have picked up a bigger canteen at a yard sale.

This ethics class brought to you by one that can't but does teach....

Well you got the monkey part right.

And how many on here would complain about a store selling generators for 5 to 6 times the normal price right after the hurricane or tornado? Well, I guess they would only complain if they were one of those doing the buying not the selling.

slim

(quoted from post at 05:40:17 09/05/12) This ethics class brought to you by one that can't but does teach....

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What's amatter babes.... Ashamed to use your usual handle?????

Just for the benefit of the class so's they don't think I'm contradicting myself,

Let's let em know that you are really dhermesc and not dave2....

keep up the good work... this little trick fit's right in with your other views....

Well said, Dave 2. It's called price gouging folks. The big oil companies do it all the time.That's why they raise the price of fuel on just about every holiday weekend. I'm not a socialist, but unrestrained capitalism can and will rum amok.

I believe what we're talking about here is "Fair Market Value" When the seller and the buyer arrive at a price that they both believe is fair, then that's fair market value, reguardless what anyone else thinks. Look at auction prices for instance, when something goes exceptionally high, everyone except the buyer and the seller say someone got ther shaft when they're both happy with the price. That's fair market value. Dave, you obviously didn't feel the price he quoted you was a fair market value because he wouldn't ship the item. Now the raising of gas prices just because it's a holiday is not fair market value, it's price gouging because there is no other reason to raise it other than the chance to make a bigger profit. But really, don't we all want to make more money? Bet no one's gonna complian about the price they get for their corn this fall, that's supply and demand. All of the above is what makes the economy go round. Now can't we put this to bed and move on. Just my thoughts, Keith

(quoted from post at 08:57:09 09/05/12) I believe what we're talking about here is "Fair Market Value" When the seller and the buyer arrive at a price that they both believe is fair, then that's fair market value, reguardless what anyone else thinks. Look at auction prices for instance, when something goes exceptionally high, everyone except the buyer and the seller say someone got ther shaft when they're both happy with the price. That's fair market value. Dave, you obviously didn't feel the price he quoted you was a fair market value because he wouldn't ship the item. Now the raising of gas prices just because it's a holiday is not fair market value, it's price gouging because there is no other reason to raise it other than the chance to make a bigger profit. But really, don't we all want to make more money? Bet no one's gonna complian about the price they get for their corn this fall, that's supply and demand. All of the above is what makes the economy go round. Now can't we put this to bed and move on. Just my thoughts, Keith

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I'm havin fun with these guys. Let me be :roll:

Dey aint posta dew dat.

Market value.

The price I get for grain changes every day - sometimes 50 cents a day per bu!

Fuel, fert, seed, feed, they all change weekly in price.

If I need a part for the combine or planter, I can research and bargin shop in the off season, or I can need it that day and pay a bonus for the item.

Either way, that is _my_ buying deal, not for you to judge.

Kinda bothers me that you are judging sellers on this, and that is the key to me.

It's up to the buyer what they want to pay. Market value that day.

It's common for the earilest sweet corn to cost more than at the end of the seson. In your view, everyone should sell their sweet corn or hay or whatever for the bargin price all season, or they are evil?

Water costs .25 cents for 100 gallons or so at the city spigot. Anything over that makes people evil - 50 cents or $1.50 a glass, what a rip off.

A radiator can be a good value at $156 if you _need_ one. A glass of water is a fine deal at $1.50, and better for you than the $2 bottle of pop.

You shouldn't judge people.

In my world of farming, grain and cattle prices change every day; feed, fert, fuel, seed prices change every week. Land rent went from $125 an acre to near $300 an acre around here.

Prices change.

That fella that paid $156 for the radiator might think he got a real good deal for the ease & time in which he got it. He might have written his ad espcially to motivate a seller and is very happy with his purchase.

Why should you sit in judgement of people on this? I guess that's why this topic bugs me - seems it's not right to judge people when you don't know the story. I buy stuff on my list of options, I don't judge the sellers on what they are doing.

You have a difficult time facing 'market value'.

I have a difficult time understanding your right to judge people.

And so, we disagree. That's cool.

--->Paul

I went back to read the original post.

Dave2, it's none of your danged business what someone sells THEIR goods for.

What's 'fair' is what the seller and buyer agree on. This isn't the first post on this nature I've seen from you.

What's going be next...are you going to want people to start asking for your 'approval' before they make a business transaction?

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I went back to read the original post.

Dave2, it's none of your danged business what someone sells THEIR goods for.

What's 'fair' is what the seller and buyer agree on. This isn't the first post on this nature I've seen from you.

What's going be next...are you going to want people to start asking for your 'approval' before they make a business transaction?

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OH BOY......................

(quoted from post at 10:02:38 09/05/12) Market value.

The price I get for grain changes every day - sometimes 50 cents a day per bu!

Fuel, fert, seed, feed, they all change weekly in price.

If I need a part for the combine or planter, I can research and bargin shop in the off season, or I can need it that day and pay a bonus for the item.

Either way, that is _my_ buying deal, not for you to judge.

Kinda bothers me that you are judging sellers on this, and that is the key to me.

It's up to the buyer what they want to pay. Market value that day.

It's common for the earilest sweet corn to cost more than at the end of the seson. In your view, everyone should sell their sweet corn or hay or whatever for the bargin price all season, or they are evil?

Water costs .25 cents for 100 gallons or so at the city spigot. Anything over that makes people evil - 50 cents or $1.50 a glass, what a rip off.

A radiator can be a good value at $156 if you _need_ one. A glass of water is a fine deal at $1.50, and better for you than the $2 bottle of pop.

You shouldn't judge people.

In my world of farming, grain and cattle prices change every day; feed, fert, fuel, seed prices change every week. Land rent went from $125 an acre to near $300 an acre around here.

Prices change.

That fella that paid $156 for the radiator might think he got a real good deal for the ease & time in which he got it. He might have written his ad espcially to motivate a seller and is very happy with his purchase.

Why should you sit in judgement of people on this? I guess that's why this topic bugs me - seems it's not right to judge people when you don't know the story. I buy stuff on my list of options, I don't judge the sellers on what they are doing.

You have a difficult time facing 'market value'.

I have a difficult time understanding your right to judge people.

And so, we disagree. That's cool.

--->Paul

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Thought my exwife was good at turning words and situations to suit her views... She ain't seen nuttin..............

I ain't the one that you hafta worry about judgin you...

Now, let's behave ourselves.............

Then you have to remember that woman was married to dave.

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I went back to read the original post.

Dave2, it's none of your danged business what someone sells THEIR goods for.

What's 'fair' is what the seller and buyer agree on. This isn't the first post on this nature I've seen from you.

What's going be next...are you going to want people to start asking for your 'approval' before they make a business transaction?

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Lets all bee nice nows.

Jacking up a price because some one needs it might not be ethical but on the backside
of the same coin neither would it be to beat up someone on price because you knew they
had to sell it quickly. This reminds me of a story that happened to my brother, he
runs a plant that roasts coffee. They buy green coffee beans, they come in burlap sacks
or in pine barrels. They throw away the bags 90% of the time, the other 10% of the time
employees take them home to do whatever they are doing with them. A manager form the
local Menard's store calls him and offers him $.50 a bag in quantities of 50 bags,
they'll pick up. Since he's throwing them away at this time he figures this is pretty
good, we can pay to put them in the dumpster or get paid by someone else to haul them
away. A week after he sells the first lot of bags one of the book keepers from the
front office is in his office renting and raving that Menard's is screwing them because
they are selling the bags they bought @$.50 for $1.25. It's called business and you
need to understand and accept that for businesses to be around they need to make
money,and when they make money they hire employees and pay them. When we have a working
free market businesses that are less than ethical will loose customers to ethical
business. This gets messed up when things like governments and unions get involved to
block the ability of businesses to enter or leave the marketplace. At one time I worked
for a business that pretty much covered the Southeast United States, I worked in their
plant in Tampa Florida where we had a larger market penetration than any other area we
served (no competition), we bought scrap and waste from other businesses to reprocess,
guess what, we paid less for our raw material in Tampa than we did anywhere else in
company. Did we pay less than market price for our raw material? YES What was our real
cost? Some of the larger chains refused to do business with us outside the Tampa area,
the "additional" money we "made" on them in the Tampa was probably less than we "lost"
by not being able to serve them in Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville, Memphis, Birmingham,
Montgomery, New Orleans, Dallas, Houston and Saint Louis. To use a phrase we were
cutting a fat hog in Tampa, wasn't to long before we had competitors that decided our
market was ripe for some competition, they could undercut us on price and still pay
less than market price, not have to compete on service and still make more than in
other markets they were in. Oh buy the way this business is now a division of their
largest competitor, they sold out a few years ago seems their business plan wasn't
sustainable.

I normally just read the happenings and keep my big mouth shut,
but this dang argument has gotten me all hot under the collar.
From reading the response, it is clear to me, who are the sellers,
the buyers, and those that just don't mind bending over and taking
it in the behind. For what it's worth, I think that the seller deserves
to sell it for a fair price. It's true that in American anyway, it's a
free country, so you can sell it for what you want. But I suspect
many of you are from small one horse towns and may only have a
single option to buy your goods. I sure bet you don't want to have
to pay an arm and a leg for something that you need and can't go
elsewhere to get. Now time for me to go cool down.

Dave, the way I see it, the only way you can complain is if the seller offered you an identical deal- same rad, packaged and shipped- for significantly less. If you had asked about shipping and he said $75.00 and then charged someone else more (assuming similar shipping rates) then you can complain. Maybe this guy would have sold you the rad if you'd offered him $50.00 for packing it up and shipping it. You didn't offer, so you're only going with half the needed info.

It would have been nice if the guy had sold it for maybe $65-70.00 with packaging and shipping, but then maybe the guy really needs the money for something a lot more important than we can imagine.

In the winter time we play a lot of Monopoly with different couples. I just happen to win quite often. We all agree to any and all rules or alterations of rules up front. I don't cheat but I do think "outside the box" as they used to say. I have been known to give loans to others rto help them get motels on their property to "slow down" a potential threat. The only "interest" I charge is a 3 time exemption if I land there. I've been called a "filthy capitalist" many times by one guy who retired from an auditor for the IRS! Pot calling the kettle black? Some can make money by just "thinking" better than others. If that makes it unethical then I guess that word must have many meanings. Like said above , the market sets the price , not the seller. The buyer has all the power right in his wallet. A deal is a deal BUT , you never struck a deal here. I believe that is what is wadding everyones nnalert here. You had NO deal. If you called on soybean price on MON and went home and loaded up a couple thousand bushels and found out when about to haul that price dropped $2 per bu. then what? What if you are allready in line at closing time at $8 but by next morn when it's your turn the price drops to $6?? I've got a JD "B" perfect used sector gear advertised right now for $80 inc shipping. If it doesn't sell I may list it again this winter when people have their tractor in fixin up a few things for next year. Guess what? You ain't gettin it for $80 and yes someone will be glad to pay $100 when a repro is over $200. I ain't pointin a gun at no one. Tis their money and their call.

Give it up Dave, some people will never listen or learn....until they get screwed themselves....

Is it a free country. why is Petertherookie moving the vagrants along.????

(quoted from post at 18:45:09 09/05/12) Give it up Dave, some people will never listen or learn....until they get screwed themselves....

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Comes back quick too........... read my buddy JD's thread about young folks....