staybul for ethanol

Anonymous-0 · Jun 7, 2012

stabul is mainly coleman fuel. does anyone know what the difference is in the stabul for ethanol. i use seafoam or KG100mg in gas tractors for show in the summer. ethanol free gas is not available here, even premium has ethanol. is there anything better to make gasoline not go bad in the summer.

Dean · Jun 7, 2012

Use marine fuel preservative available at any decent marine service center.

Dean

rustyfarmall · Jun 7, 2012

(quoted from post at 09:14:36 06/07/12) stabul is mainly coleman fuel. does anyone know what the difference is in the stabul for ethanol. i use seafoam or KG100mg in gas tractors for show in the summer. ethanol free gas is not available here, even premium has ethanol. is there anything better to make gasoline not go bad in the summer.

I've been using ethanol since it became available 30 or so years ago. It does NOT go bad in the summer, or winter, or any other time of year, and I do not use Sta-Bil or any other brand of fuel stabilizer. Never have. Never will.

RMinVa · Jun 7, 2012

If you were buying it here you'd use something to
try and make it usable for any time over 2 weeks.
Noticed several weeks ago that one after another the
gas stations in my area are adding filters to the
gas pumps where the hose comes out. It may help and
the product may be good for a longer time period.
I'll wait a while before I buy any more. I use E-
free so I can keep small engines running.No filters
being added to E-free pumps.

hd6gtom · Jun 7, 2012

Why do you want to try to improve ethanal. We ran tests on hundreds of thousands of gallons in the 1970's and NEVER found the problems reported on here PERIOD.

Goose · Jun 7, 2012

I've never understood the hysteria over gasoline with 10% ethanol.

I bought a new Stihl chain saw last month and all the owner's manual says about gasoline is a minimum of 89 octane and no more than 10% ethanol. I will point out that ethanol free gasoline is 87 octane, around here, anyway, so a literal interpretation of the owner's manual seems to effectively prohibit ethanol free gasoline.

I've used 10% ethanol in anything and everything for over 20 years, from the family car, pickups, chain saws, weedeaters, lawn mowers, garden tractors, anything with an internal combustion engine, and I can honestly say I've never had a problem that could be attributed to the ethanol.

For what it's worth, all of the two cycle oils I've seen lately already contain fuel stabilizers that eliminate the need for additives.

onefarmer · Jun 7, 2012

Snake oil. Ethanol is already stable. Only thing is it may collect moisture and nothing in a can will help that. I've been using ethanol added fuel e10-e85 since the 70's and never had a problem.

IaGary · Jun 7, 2012

The ethanol is cleaning out the gas stations tanks. Rust and dirt from pre ethanol is now coming out with the gas so they are filtering the junk that is in their tanks. The e free tanks still have the junk at the bottom of the tanks so no filter is needed but if they ever suck the tank dry some may come out as well.

It is not the ethanols fault the station had dirty tanks.

Gary

rustyfarmall · Jun 7, 2012

(quoted from post at 10:44:23 06/07/12) If you were buying it here you'd use something to
try and make it usable for any time over 2 weeks.
Noticed several weeks ago that one after another the
gas stations in my area are adding filters to the
gas pumps where the hose comes out. It may help and
the product may be good for a longer time period.
I'll wait a while before I buy any more. I use E-
free so I can keep small engines running.No filters
being added to E-free pumps.

Sounds like ALL the gas stations in your area need to do some serious cleaning of their storage tanks.

Doug in IL · Jun 7, 2012

I think Seafoam works as good as anything. Ethanol has a 3 to 4 month shelf life at the most. Your best bet, of course, is non ethanol fuel. Around 2008, I had a bunch of ethanol go bad in several antique tractors. What a mess! I still have two of them that still won't run right, even though the fuel systems have been cleaned several times. My gasoline is bulk delivered to the farm. I told my fuel supplier if he ever brought ethanol again, he WILL be back to pump it out. And, yes, we test every load.

Anonymous-0 · Jun 7, 2012

There is something called star-tron,that is supposedly formulated to add to E-10 gas as a stabliizer. Can't say that I have ever tried it. At one time a poster on here said the main ingredient in Stabil was naptha. The EPA has run hundreds tests on E-15 gas. As a result they have cleared it for commercial sale for engines made after 2001. Each state must register to sell it and many stations don't have tank capacity to sell it at present. The cars at the 2012 Indy 500 all ran E-85 fuel and no one had any problems. Those cars for the most part are running new engines.

Texasmark1 · Jun 7, 2012

What are you talking about?

Texasmark1 · Jun 7, 2012

I use Startron diesel treatment and have for 5 years or so. Yes the MSDS states the naptha, but they also claim to have enzymes in it that attack the bad critters.

I don't give a flip about all the hype, but the diesel in my storage tanks is immaculately clean with no water in it using it as recommended and it sits for over a year. I haven't changed fuel filters on my 3 diesel tractors in so long the filter cannisters are starting to rust. Performance of my tractors is stellar.

MSDS doesn't tell it all. Don't believe all you hear from the special interest or ill informed windbags.....the coffee shops are full of them.............

Mark

Kenneth R Ohnstad · Jun 7, 2012

You can be nicer than that.
He's talking about Stabil a gas additive.
K

TWheat · Jun 7, 2012

Yep, 2-3 weeks is about all it's good for small and marine engines here IN THIS AREA.The F150 doesn't know the difference.

paul · Jun 7, 2012

1-% has been around here for decades as well, no problems. When it was a new thing - which might be the case for some of you - the ethanol washes out the sludge in the old gasoline tanks, and causes a problem - but,t he problem was the dirty tanks, not the ethanol. So if it's a new idea where you live, then I understand where the issues are coming from.

As to the Stabiol, I see the new labels on it, I wonder if their is anything different in the can, just a new label?

I'm a fan of a can of Seafoam every once in a long while, but I can't prove anything. On the Polaris Ranger it was running rough, a can of Seafoam and it's run great for a couple months again, so seems tohelp for me.

--->Paul

Mark - IN. · Jun 7, 2012

I don't have an answer, but you can go over to YouTube and search for Heather LaCroix and see if she knows. She always tries a lot of neat stuff like that. She even did a video showing the difference between firing a .410, 20ga, 12ga, and 10ga. She does a lot of scientific stuff and may just have the answer to your question. I call her the answer lady.

Mark

pat sublett · Jun 7, 2012

Rant all you want about how good ethynol is. I had a small engine shop for several years. Ethynol is the worst thing you can put in a small engine. Let it set for 6 months and you have to clean the gunk out of the carb. It is responsible for destrouing more air cooled engines than anything else. It gums up the needle and seat causes fuel to wash down the cylinder in a vertical engine. Eats up gaskets and fuel lines. It is another taxpayer subsidised feasco.

pat sublett · Jun 7, 2012

Look closer at your sthil manual. If you use their premixed fuel, which contains no ethynol, they will double the warranty.

pat sublett · Jun 7, 2012

Look closer at your sthil manual. If you use their premixed fuel, which contains no ethynol, they will double the warranty.

pat sublett · Jun 7, 2012

Sorry I can't get this in the right place.
Look closer at your sthil manual. If you use their premixed fuel, which contains no ethynol, they will double the warranty.

Dean · Jun 7, 2012

Agreed, Pat.

Dean

Tom-NorthCenTX · Jun 7, 2012

Right ON, Pat. Wash DC politic at its worst. Throwing money away, making gas milage worse, ruining old engines and aircooled ones, using up water for excess irrigation, driving up cattle feed to previousyl unknown levels; ALL when we have an absolute glut of natural gas. Many gas wells are shut down because of the way low prices at the well head for natural gas. AND we are "burning" corn juice to reduce effeciency.
Tom

jm. · Jun 7, 2012

I have just sat here and read all the post and just wondering could it be something with the tempature or something else. Seems that some locations have trouble while others do not. Here in tenn we have had it for several years and in this farming orperation i would say we probably have 30 + two cycle and air cooled engines . Have never counted but our experience just has been no trouble. we run over or break more weed eaters than we ever wear out. I am not doubting some have had trouble but it just has,n happen here. We have on farm storage for semi load at a time of disel fut only about 2000 gal of gas with ethanol. Haven,t don anything special just keep it clean and pay the bill.

Anonymous-0 · Jun 7, 2012

I have no problem with my antique tractors running on ethanol. i grow corn and 98% of the corn here goes to 5 big ethanol plants. the performance is fine. something happens to the fuel when it sits for 4 to 6 weeks. you get a yellow,then it turns red, and if you wait 4 months black substance on the bottom of your tank. it will do this in any tank. some of mine are rubber lined. since i only have show tractors on gasoline i fill plastic gas cans when needed. this substance will form in the bottom of plastic gas cans. everyone around here that barely runs gas tractors has similar problems. BP,SHELL CITCO,and 2 local farm CO-OPs, brand or octane makes no difference. Aviation gas can set in the tank6 months and nothing will go bad. i was just curious about other peoples experiences. i prefer ethanol. i think it might be the gasoline thats the problem, not the ethanol. i am going to try E-85, and also some marine stabilizer with regular E-10 and see what happens. thanks for everyones insight.

MarkB_MI · Jun 7, 2012

I've always assumed that the difference between Stabil "for ethanol" and the original Stabil is that the former is labeled "for ethanol".

The only thing you can do to improve the life of your gas is to buy it in a city, county or state where low Reid Vapor Pressure fuel is mandated. Contrary to popular belief, ethanol content isn't a big factor in gasoline shelf life. But RVP is. Fuel with an RVP of 7.0 psi or less will have an excellent shelf life. But aside from avgas, such fuel isn't available much outside of California. For the rest of the country, 7.8 psi is about as good as you're going to get.
Summer RVP requirements

Anonymous-0 · Jun 7, 2012

E-85 is in all my CASE gasssers rite now ,, Runs fine in summer ,, i add more gas in the winter monthes ,, Seafoaqm Worx well for OLd e-85 ,,the alcohol produces a algae type crud if e -85 is not used in serveral monthes ,,

Anonymous-0 · Jun 7, 2012

Lucas makes an ethanol stabilizer that works in E-10,E 15 and E 85 to stop gumming and varnishing of fuel.

Texasmark1 · Jun 8, 2012

Thanks

mkirsch · Jun 8, 2012

Sta-bil "for ethanol" is just a marketing gimmick that plays on the ignorance of the vast majority of the population.

The claim that it "removes water" may technically be true, but water is not an issue if the gas already has ethanol in it. "DryGas" or "HEET" which are products used to "remove water" from gasoline are almost 100% ethanol or methanol.

pete 23 · Jun 8, 2012

Last year I did a little experiment with gasoline, some with ethanol, some with out, some with stabil , some with seafoam. Left it out in the hot sun for a month and it all turned to crap. Temperatures that will evaporate the higher ends of the gasoline will leave all gasoline crap. I have been cleaning crappy carburetors and fuel tanks for over 50 years, long before anyone ever heard of ethanol, doesn't seem any worst now than ever. Winter blends are worse of course.

mkirsch · Jun 8, 2012

That may be the key to it right there...

LEFT OUT IN THE HOT SUN.

I do not leave any of my power equipment out in the hot sun. It is usually stored in a cool(er), dry, dark barn or garage. No UV. No temperature extremes. Left for months, even years, with ethanol gas and no Sta-Bil... It ALL starts and runs perfectly.

Engine Answerman · Aug 30, 2012

Hi, it's Bobby Cleveland. Many of you know me as the Engine Answerman and I wanted to chime in on the conversation regarding the difference between STA-BIL and STA-BIL Ethanol. There are two different STA-BIL products to use to help protect your engine. One is for storage and one is to be used with every fill up. STA-BIL Fuel Stabilizer is the ultimate storage additive. It contains a complex mix of chemicals designed to keep fuel fresh for up to 1 year, and to prevent gunk from building up in the fuel system that will keep the engine from starting and running smoothly. STA-BIL Ethanol Treatment is intended to be used with every fill up to protect engines against the damaging effects of ethanol-blended fuels. It includes all of those same storage benefits as our fuel stabilizer, as well as improved water removal abilities, increased detergents to keep the fuel system sparkling clean, and better corrosion protection to prevent rust on carburetors and injectors. So make sure to use the Ethanol Treatment with every fill up to protect your engine. If you have more questions about STA-BIL or anything engine related, feel free to post them here, and I’ll respond directly. Or feel free to contact Gold Eagle Co.’s customer service team at 1-800-367-3245.

Indiana Ken · Aug 30, 2012

Interesting post; maybe you can answer a question I have had for a long time. You state the Stabilizer has improved water removal abilities. I have always been curious, where does it remove the water to?

rustyfarmall · Aug 31, 2012

(quoted from post at 18:48:16 08/30/12)
Interesting post; maybe you can answer a question I have had for a long time. You state the Stabilizer has improved water removal abilities. I have always been curious, where does it remove the water to?

Excellent question!!

mkirsch · Aug 31, 2012

Water does not mix with gasoline. It will sit in a glob on the bottom of the gas tank and get sucked into the engine all at once.

Water mixes with alcohol.

Alcohol mixes with gasoline.

The water is "removed" when it is sucked into the engine along with the gasoline and alcohol, and goes out the exhaust as steam. Since it's mixed with the alcohol and gasoline now, the water goes through in small enough amounts that it does not cause problems.

Lamar Fudd · Aug 31, 2012

Thing is, alcohol doesn't stay mixed with the gasoline. And when it separates out, it settles to the lowest point, be that fuel tank, line, or carburetor. Back when Ethanol was first introduced, people found out that their cork carburetor gaskets are bound together with shellac-and alcohol dissolves shellac. My old McCormick HAD a cork float in its Ensign carb that likely went back to new. Didn't last too long after ethanol.

rustyfarmall · Aug 31, 2012

(quoted from post at 10:27:18 08/31/12) Thing is, alcohol doesn't stay mixed with the gasoline. And when it separates out, it settles to the lowest point, be that fuel tank, line, or carburetor. Back when Ethanol was first introduced, people found out that their cork carburetor gaskets are bound together with shellac-and alcohol dissolves shellac. My old McCormick HAD a cork float in its Ensign carb that likely went back to new. Didn't last too long after ethanol.

Ethanol was introduced 30 or so years ago. I have been using it in everything ever since it was introduced. I have never known the ethanol to attack or cause to disintegrate any part of a carburetor, fuel pump, or any other part of a fuel system, including the gaskets.

I've seen cork floats disintegrate all on their own. Even when not in a carburetor.

Pair-a-dice farm · Aug 31, 2012

We've had this discussion on other boards, opinions on ethanol are kind of like religion and politics. When honest people have had such different experiences in ethanol it seems like there has to be something to it. From what I've gathered there is a difference in the way ethanol is blended in different parts of the country. Here in the south it seems like it is more of a problem than in Iowa. When I could still get regular gas I was getting about 10% more mpg than when I filled with 10% ethanol blend. I don't know what the difference is but heat and humidity may be a factor.

rustyfarmall · Aug 31, 2012

(quoted from post at 11:24:39 08/31/12) We've had this discussion on other boards, opinions on ethanol are kind of like religion and politics. When honest people have had such different experiences in ethanol it seems like there has to be something to it. From what I've gathered there is a difference in the way ethanol is blended in different parts of the country. Here in the south it seems like it is more of a problem than in Iowa. When I could still get regular gas I was getting about 10% more mpg than when I filled with 10% ethanol blend. I don't know what the difference is but heat and humidity may be a factor.

The big difference, I believe, is that filling stations are not cleaning out the underground storage tanks, or properly maintaining those storage tanks, and since ethanol IS a solvent, it WILL loosen up the crud that has been living in those tanks for many, many years, and then that contaminated fuel gets pumped into the gas tanks of our cars, trucks, and tractors, and automatically everybody blames the problems on the ethanol.

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