hay price (shares)??

Ok,
You folks that bale from other folks' property..
You do all the work and make round bales (700-800 pounds) and those bales sell for 30 bucks.
How much of that 30 bucks would you give the landowner assuming he had no expense other than owning the property (no seed/fertilizer/upkeep)?

half, a third, +/-, ???

I was thinking half, but not really sure and want to be fare to both of us...

Thanks, Dave

I always took 2/3s.

means you gave them 1/3 (or 10 bucks)?

Dave,

When I cut on shares I do all the work and take 1/2 of the bales. The others are left on the field where they were dropped. If I had to move them, load and transport, then sell/load them, I would only give him 25% to 33% of the sale price. Probably the lower number. You are doing extra work to load, move and market. You should be compensated.

John

With the costs of today, a 75/25 split would be more in line. I raise my own hay, mow and rake and hire the neighbor to roll it up, this year he charged $10 per roll.

Gave them 1/3rd of the hay. When we used to bale square bales we put them in the barn,with rounds,I left them in the field right where they fell out of the baler.

Dave, how much does diesel fuel cost in your part of the world. We pay around $3.50 per US gal around here. I figure I have around $5-6 per bale in fuel cost alone, not even including equip cost, and labor. I used a fuel efficient tractor that runs around 2-3 gal per hour more or less haying.

John

CAN you actually bale one for 15$ anymore? MYSELF,and ive been both the baler and balee so to speak, I would figure out exactly what it cost me to roll up the average bale. Cant really count break downs and things and stay fair, in my opinion,and go from there.If it actualy cost you say just as a number $12 to cut rake bale etc,you obviously need to be elswhere. If you make $15 youll wind up broke. Ive seen folks do it on halves years ago, but lately a third for the tractor/equipment(gas,wear,and repairs). A third for the operator ( your wages of course). and a third for the landowner (his income) would be about right i think most times. Would probably still be starvation wages at $30 a bale. MY OPINION ONLY of course. By the way,thats the way i did the accounting also,there was the tractors share that went into its account,my share that went into mine,and the landowners share that went into his.. nothing ever made me madder than to have a guy baling my hay,have it on the ground,break down and have to wait till his wife or him got paid to make repairs. Ive seen I dont know how many guys go out of buisness this way. Put that money back now,eventualy it will come in handy and it could save your whole buisness. Not preaching just saying.

If you will sell me 800 lb bales for $30 I'll take
all you can deliver.

So what your are wanting to know is how to split? If you are doing hay on a neighbors place it is usually a 1/3 of the hay for the landowner,2/3 of the hay for operator,if the landowner wants the hay. your question is you are buying the landowners share of the hay? correct? and want to know how much to pay him?

I am giving a guy $5 per bale for hay standing in the feild. Hay is worth $30 a bale now, but we are in a drought and it will soon be more than that. His crop is very thin, about one bale per acre.

2/3 for the operator and 1/3 for the land owner, or $5 per bale to the land owner and operator takes all.

I pay $.25 for squares that I sell for $5.00. Some guys take the hay and charge the owner for mowing.

I'll sell you 1000 pounders @ $35, but you'd have to haul. They're in s.w. Pa.

I use about 1 Gal per acre to put up my hay.That's mowing raking and baling. I get about 1.3 T per acre per cut. Or about $3 per ton. Or 3.30 per acre.
If you have 1000 lb bales I don'r see how you could be at 12 $ per ton?

Worked itself out to 1/3... I had paid the guy based on what I thought it'd yield and 50/50. it turned out to be enough over to make it 1/3. Told him and he's OK with it. Not sure if I'll get it next year but don't really care. Gave him 3 options to think about and give me an answer by 1 August.

1) I pay him after harvest at 1/3 the price of the bales
2) Pay him a flat payment and fence it off for pasture
3) He can pay someone else to do it

We'll see, but this year pretty much cured me of dealing with him.....

(quoted from post at 22:18:31 07/12/12) I use about 1 Gal per acre to put up my hay.That's mowing raking and baling. I get about 1.3 T per acre per cut. Or about $3 per ton. Or 3.30 per acre.

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That must be record time for cutting,raking and baling. If IIRC you have a Farmall 95 and Nebraska shows it uses 5.3 GPH.
OCED Tractor Test 2510:
Nebraska summary: 764
Test Date: December 2008 - 2008,
Type: Diesel 12-speed 4WD
PTO power (rated engine speed): 80.7 hp [60.2 kW]
PTO fuel use (engine speed): 5.3 gal/hour [20.1 l/hour]
PTO power (rated PTO speed): 80.6 hp [60.1 kW]
PTO fuel use (PTO speed): 5.2 gal/hour [19.7 l/hour]

If you have 1000 lb bales I don'r see how you could be at 12 $ per ton?

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I took my total fuel usage for the year and divided into it the number of 5x5 twine tied bales I made. So that includes all uses including moving bales from fields, travel to fields, etc. Prob 10% is use of the tractor for other needs on the farm but most of it is baling. I have a lot of smaller fields. I only have one field that is 12 acres, most are around 4-5 acres. If you are doing small fields, your costs are higher. Dave is doing small fields, I believe.

John