Just doing my part......

NCWayne

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After taking an old (ie probably mid 60's) front tine tiller with an 3 HP B/S engine to a local dealer, and being told that the engine had no compression and therefore was nothing but scrap, a friend had her Dad bring his tiller to me. I checked it and sure enough, it had about 5 psi of compression. So I pulled the head, held my hand over the piston, spun the crank, and it sucked my hand down with it. This told me the rings were fine. Pulled the tank and carb, because it needed some attention too, pulled the valve spring cover, and checked the valve clearance. The intake was zero. Pulled the intake valve and sure enough it was nicely grooved all the way around. Checked and cleaned the seat and it was fine. Pulled the exhaust, and it was ungrooved so I just cleaned the valve and the seat, reinstalled it, and it was still clearanced to spec. So, all that was needed to fix the thing was a couple of parts. Bought a new intake valve, ground the stem for the correct clerance, and back together it went.


It cost me less than $20 to get the parts needed, and between checking compression, pulling the head and putting in a new valve, and getting it all back together, and pulling the carb off the tank to chase the threads and make sure it was tight enought not to leak, I've got less than an hour and a half into the project. So, for about $60 the customer will get his favorite old "junk" tiller back, with near new compression, and running better than it has in a long time.

Out of all the things I do, what I enjoy the most is bringing machines like this back to life, especially after someone else has told the owner that it's nothing but a piece of junk, and to throw it away ad buy something new. Like I told my wife, The way I see it, I'm just doing my part, even if it's just in one small way, one small, old engine at a time, to show my distain for not only dealers that are more intestered in selling a new piece of equipment than helping get a customers simple, older, and often favorite, machine operational for a FAIR price. Too, I also enjoy doing it as a way to basically thumb my nose at all of the governmental BS forcing even simple things like our push mowers to be as complicated nowdays as anything NASA launches into space.........The way I see it the stuff that's already 40 years old, with some TLC, will still be running in another 40 years when the plastic, electronic crap being made nowdays will already have been recycled, probably several times, into something else by then.
 
Good on ya. I do the same whenever I can.

A Science Fiction writer (Robert Heinlein, I think) once wrote a story that included a sub-plot about consumption.

Essentially, nobody had a job any more, robot factories made everything, and each citizen was [i:654c4848f0]required by law[/i:654c4848f0] to consume X amount of goods each month. If you didn't meet the minimum, you were in trouble with the government.

Struck me as pretty stupid first time I read it 30 or 40 years ago, but it sounds sort of familiar now, doesn't it?
 
I just fixed a tiller for a guy last week with the same problem. Intake valve had a groove in it and was sitting on top of the lifter with no clearance. I see these all the time. I charged him vegetables beings he gives them to me anyway. Also I grab every horz. shaft engine out of the junk pile i can cause i know thats all thats wrong with them. I even got a generator once that way for free.
 
Its not always so easy to do your part. Neighbor has been complain ing about his tiller having no power for 2 years, kept telling him to bring it over, I'd look at it. He did this spring, partially dis-assembled. Didn't take long to find the problem-a worn out clutch lining. Lining is molded double conical shape and no replacements available anywhere. We both searched for used stuff, internet, etcc. for 3 weeks. Company that built it hsas been bought and sold three times since it was built 40 years ago. Finally he got a great deal on a used rear tine anbd loves it, b ut it still CRANKS ME OFF to have to throw something away because of a $5 part.
 
We say the same thing at our place. "I"ll bet the M is still running when that MX270 long been parted out."
 
NCWayne, THAT is the difference between a mechanic and a parts changer. Nice Job. We see this more and more with technology. The computer says what is wrong and if it doesn't than they don't know what to do. I believe the technology is part of the "dumbing down" of America.
 
Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World" had similar themes--people whose only reason for existence was to consume things so that other people would be able to make replacement things for them. Scary how precinct a novel written in 1931 could be.... Makes me feel better about fixing and using older tools and machines that were made to be repaired rather than replaced!
 
One of my best friends - my hunting partner, works at a local small engine shop. I bought a little ford LGT last fall and the 7 hp Briggs in it needed some help so he helped me rebuild it - new piston, rod, ground the valves, etc. He said it has been years since he has rebuilt an engine. If one comes in needing overhaul, if they can't just drop a new replacement engine into it the whole machine gets scrapped. Kinda sad.
He gets his parts for dealer price so I have $97 in an engine that should last me for a long time.
Plus I will have to buy the beer when we go hunting this fall.

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Excellent post! You keep on doing your part and don't feel like the Lone Ranger as there are a bunch more out there just like you doing the same.....including me.
My wife gets mad at me when we go to town as I cruise the neighborhoods looking for junk at the curb. Picked up a kids bike and a golf bag cart last week. Cart was shot, but the wheels were nice. Kept the wheels, cart is on the scrap pile. Bike was not bad, cleaned it up and patched a tube. Gave it to a family at church who have little or nothing, their little daughters smile made it well worth my few hours of effort to make it look and ride good again.
 
"people whose only reason for existence was to consume things so that other people would be able to make replacement things for them"

Why, that sounds just like, (gasp) nnalert!!!

lol

slim
 
Before you scrap it give CECO Friction a call, they may be able to make what you need to fix it. Over the years Dad and I have had them do a few custom things for us like make new brake bands for an old bridge crane owned by the RR, re-bond lining to a part where it couldn't be riveted back on, etc, etc. They are really good folks to do business with and just might be able to help you out.
CECO Friction
 
Had it not been so deeply grooved, yes, I could have reground the seating surface, and then reclearanced it. The problem was the groove was so deep that by the time I would have done that the square lip above the seat would have been nearly sharp, which is way below the 1/16 minimum called for in the manual.
 
I know what you mean Wayne. I have been working on small engines since 1975 . Since then with the labor rates in the shops they aren t feaseable to repair if it takes any parts unless its a high dollar item . I know its shame &since I ve retired I try to help the senior people with their things to hold down the cost.
am in Airzona & the shop labor rates are just about as high as a car dealership . Unbeivelable .

John
 
Wayne, we think alike. A fun Saturday for me is going to a scrapyard that has old mowers strewn about and finding a good motor on a rusted deck, and a bad motor on a good deck, and making one good mower out of it, and then getting it for $10. It's more fun than going to a $10 movie.

I have an old Toro, probably from the late 60s, with a Tecumseh that runs like a champ. It originally had electric start, but I removed the heavy battery and starter motor and instead installed an old fashioned rope pulley on top and cut a piece of rope for it. The children would see me wrap that piece of rope around the pulley and start that motor with 1 pull every time. My dad's old outboard motors started that way, too.
 
Yeah, I understand shop labor for someone doing it for a living because I have to charge enough to cover my expenses, and make a profit too, when working on the larger equipment I usually work on. With the smaller stuff though there's no way I can justify charging somebody an outragous price to fix something easy like this. Heck, if I didn't like to eat and have a house I'd probably be doing this kind of stuff for free...
 
Face it now days it is a throw away and buy new if something is 10 year old or older with a machine. I keep old stuff like that and fix them or use them for parts to fix others. I have parts and piece of many old small engines laying around so I can fix others when I get them in. Also keep me from having to go to P/T. Doctor told me stay as active as you can or it will be P/T twice a week or more. So I stay active as I can
 
Had kind of the same thing happen on my Yamaha 4 wheeler. It jumped timing and a valve nicked the piston. Bent the stem so it wouldn't close.
 
I put a new B&S engine on the front tine tiller Grand dad bought me in high school. Sure, it was pricey at $200 but, it runs perfect now. Just put new tines on too, so it runs AND tills perfect. In any case, the garden will pay for it quick.
 
dad has wore out 3 engines on his tiller and hes getten older and its hard for him to start it. he has a small garden near my hog barn so my brother put a 2.5 hp electric motor on it and ran him a cord from the hog barn. he got madder that h... when he saw what little brother had done then he used it told me if he had thought of this years ago he would had done it when the tiller was new. it actually works better now than it ever did
 

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