welding steel to castiron??

Anonymous-0 · Jun 1, 2012

Hey folks,
Brainstorming and wondering if it'll work...
Can steel be welded to castiron and be strong?

Idea is for a removeable carryall box fro the front of the tractor. I have a castiron front weight that is flat on the bottom. Wondering if one of the receiver hitches that are made to bolt onto a flat bumper could be welded on by joe blow with decent welding skills (not me of course)...

Thanks for the tips....

Dave

Anonymous-0 · Jun 1, 2012

I aint a welder but welding steel to cast is not really a good idea, the weld will stick but will probably break where the weld meets the cast. The two metals have two different melting points.
I would see if there is a place to bolt steel some where then weld steel to steel.

Anonymous-0 · Jun 1, 2012

(quoted from post at 04:47:16 06/01/12) I aint a welder but welding steel to cast is not really a good idea, the weld will stick but will probably break where the weld meets the cast. The two metals have two different melting points.
I would see if there is a place to bolt steel some where then weld steel to steel.

OK.... That would have been the easy way.... Plan B is to just bolt it (the box) in place like any normal person would do... Maybe the neighbor kid can whip me up something to bolt the receiver to.....

Ken Macfarlane · Jun 1, 2012

It can be done but the cast iron in your weights is likely some of the
worst type to weld. They don't need any particular type of iron for
strength so they use whatever is available.

randallinMo · Jun 1, 2012

You "might" be able to weld it to the cast...but it will NOT be strong. Your simple answer is no.

buickanddeere · Jun 1, 2012

Seen a chart one time with the expansion of steel, stainless
and Nickle rod. There is a stainless rod that shares cast iron"s
contraction when cooling. Pre-heating the cast weight would
do wonders

atlarge54 · Jun 1, 2012

Why not braze them together?

mmoon · Jun 1, 2012

THIS CAN BE DONE--i am not exp.at doing so but a friend helped and what he did was weld cast iron farm wagon axles to steel --these were the old wooden axles hounds--for those who do not know what a hound is --- it is the end of the axle that fits in the hub of the wooden wagon wheel or in this case -we were using steel wheels and cast iron axles he heated the axles to cherry red before welding using a 7018 rod --AND IT DID WORK---in this case i do not think you could heat the weight to do so --BUT i have welded steel d-rings to some of my weigths with a309 rod and a high heat setting--they have held so far --i am not saying this is perfect -----

RodinNS · Jun 1, 2012

Yes, cast iron can be welded to steel. The quality and strength will be dictated by the quality of the cast tho.... IN this case you probably have some pretty low grade, grainy, high carbon casting... and it won't be all that strong.
Various high nickle type rods would probably work. The one I've had most success with is the Sodel 35 which is intended for cold welding of cast and fusing cast to dissimmilar metals.... ie. Steel.

For what you're doing I think I would either bolt it the way you're thinking of or find a couple of points to weld to to spread the load out better.

Rod

Anonymous-0 · Jun 1, 2012

Come to think of it, I'll prolly catch heck with anything on there when I go thru inspection. Guess I better figure out a bolt up plan or just skip it altogether (just be a junk collector anyway :roll: ) I'll do some more headscratching and try to find a pic of what I want and post it....

Thanks...

gitrib · Jun 1, 2012

Have welded thousand of gray ornamental IRON casting to mild steel using MIG.
gitrib

Anonymous-0 · Jun 1, 2012

Here's what I have... Talking about a receiver on the bottom of that weight... But, given my skill level and the inspection thing, maybe I should just make a setup that will mount with a drop pin or just slip down over those two frontloader frame uprights..... Only holding a chainsaw and/or chains post driver, etc...

JDseller · Jun 1, 2012

Why not just make your box with an ear on the back of it that will fit into the the slot that is already there??? Then you could just drop a pin through it to hold the box on. I have made some similar that fit the front weight bracket on some tractors. You could find a steel tube that just fits into the slot also. Then just drill a hole in it for the pin.

Anonymous-0 · Jun 1, 2012

(quoted from post at 07:06:48 06/01/12) Why not just make your box with an ear on the back of it that will fit into the the slot that is already there??? Then you could just drop a pin through it to hold the box on. I have made some similar that fit the front weight bracket on some tractors. You could find a steel tube that just fits into the slot also. Then just drill a hole in it for the pin.

Wheels are turnin.... I'll see what I have laying around. Since you said that with the tube, I have a couple 18" lengths of 2"x4" Ibeam that may slide right in and a nice stout box that I can bolt to it... Thanks for the wakeup....

ohiojim · Jun 1, 2012

how bout drill and tap, cast don't drill that bad

buickanddeere · Jun 1, 2012

Inspection ?

Anonymous-0 · Jun 1, 2012

(quoted from post at 08:15:02 06/01/12) Inspection ?

You can't really see it, but it has license plates... Has to pass a safety inspection (tires, lights, signals, brakes, horn, and obvious unsafe like rips and rustout) every two years and be insured....

Tx Jim · Jun 1, 2012

(quoted from post at 09:54:06 06/01/12)
Only holding a chainsaw and/or chains post driver, etc...

Why not just put your chainsaw,chains &/or post driver in the loader bucket??????????

Anonymous-0 · Jun 1, 2012

(quoted from post at 09:25:49 06/01/12)

(quoted from post at 09:54:06 06/01/12)
Only holding a chainsaw and/or chains post driver, etc...

Click to expand...

Why not just put your chainsaw,chains &/or post driver in the loader bucket??????????

Bucket is a little different than what you folks are used to... It doesn't have the capability of being tipped up like a bowl... But strapping a box in it may be an option.... I'll look...

buickanddeere · Jun 1, 2012

Somebody has made and sold a mechanical trip bucket
loader in the past 40 years?

RodinNS · Jun 1, 2012

That's most likely a more malleable iron with considerably lower carbon content tho... The lower the carbon content the easier it will weld.

Rod

RodinNS · Jun 1, 2012

I think if you made a box that fitted snug over the weight carrier and bottomed out on the carrier... then have a hole to pin it on there snug... that should work? Just kinda hang it on there like a weight and the pin holds it in place.

Rod

36 Coupe · Jun 2, 2012

Strange that people who blew up most of the face of Europe are so safety concious.May have spelled that wrong on purpose to see if buick& deere is awake yet.

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