whos making all these brand x tractors?

ericlb · Apr 25, 2012

just thumbing thru the latest tractor aution paper i get, there is a huge amount of odd branded less than 50 hp tractors showing up, some even with name brands on them small massy ferguson, which looks suspiciously chinese, are they? mahindra branson, koti, dong, dea woo,even the small jd's and ford newholland look chinese are they all china stuff,? or is there some worth looking at? primarly concerned with lasting and parts availability , already got a friend with a 4 year old northern on the junk pile, i dont want one myself some are obviously soccer mommy specials, you know what i mean, super compact with the cute blond socccer mom driving it on tv, looks like its so small its almost a toy, but i mean really there a lot of brands i never heard of showing up for good money and all look nervously like tractor kinfolks,

Lumpy · Apr 25, 2012

ALL of them are made in japan, china, or some other foriegn country. Yes even JD. Deere has had anything under 50hp made over seas since the mid 90's. So don't be fooled because it says john deere on the side. You mentioned Mahindra, I'm going to say in over-all performance it is easily in the top 3. Would personally say Kubota and JD are tied for the top 2 spots. Mahindra is probably 3rd, but Massey is right there also.

rustyfarmall · Apr 25, 2012

I would put the Mahindra and the Kubota equally at the top. The John Deere might come in second place, but only because of the extensive dealer network. The Massey would be in third place. The rest of those brands are at the very bottom, and I would not even consider buying any of them.

Motorcraftman · Apr 25, 2012

I have a Mahindra E-350 DI 03' Model I really Like and aloota BANG for the Buck... Everyhting on it is HEAVY DUTY! 35Hp Larry KF4LKU

Flambeau one · Apr 25, 2012

Most of those x brand tractors would look more familiar with different sheet metal and stickers. We have a Shibaura, well it says New Holland either way same quality.

VicS · Apr 25, 2012

Mahandra claims they are No. 1 in the world. We have a JD 4320 compact. they claim the engine is made in USA. Rear says Yanmar, made in Japan. Seems to be quality, no problems. Vic

wisbaker · Apr 25, 2012

Mahindra is from India, Another (Branson or Montana) is from S.Korea. Parts could be scary on any of them. I would have to think that Korean or Indian tractors might not be so bad but research 'em and find out how large and stable they are. It would only make sense that emerging economies with small farms would start making small tractors. I can see our big three (JD, CNH & Agco) to start importing them with their sheet metal verses developing new smaller horsepower tractors for a small market they don't figure will be growing. I would not be as afraid of Indian or S. Korean tractors because they are market based economies and understand the value of being able to sell in the US and understand the value of a decent reputation in our market. Chinese made scares me, you might be alright you might not and it's all up to a government.

blunosr · Apr 25, 2012

I used to have a digital copy of a poster that lists who makes what in terms of todays tractors. I can't find it just now, but I did find this:

http://www.compacttractorreview.com/articles/Compact-Tractor-Companies.aspx

Interesting list of who makes what, and not too much North American content in any of them...

I ended up buying a Kubota last year. I figured Made in Japan was better assurance of quality then the rest of the herd... but I remember the saying "Ja* Cr*p". Today their manufacturing is among the best in the world.

I saw a piece on the TV about how China is investing very heavily in robotic manufacturing, with the intent of being the manufacturing capital of the planet, well into the future. I fear they will succeed in a big way, and drive the rest of us (on Earth) into poverty and dependance.

It makes me shudder to think that one day, their tractors will be better than ours ever were...

Troy

NCWayne · Apr 25, 2012

Got a customer with a 4 wheel drive, Ford branded, Shibaura that he bought new in the late 80's. He uses it in his business and other than some rust from being let outside the old thing is still in good shape. I recently rebuilt the engine due to his failing to keep the oil level up and spinning #1 rod bearing due to it being starved as he pulled in onto his tailer. That said the inside of the engine looked nearly new. In fact I could still see the checkering in the cylinder bores from the factory honing.

In other words while it may be a foreign made, it appeared to be a very well made, high quality machine.

Tony in Mass. · Apr 25, 2012

Pick your poison. You will have to go back to the early 50's to know that every nut and bolt was from the good ol USA...and that was because the rest of the world was still rebuilding worn torn worn out factories... countries that were on par with the 1600's 30 years ago are now full of iron mines,casting works and machine shops to feed their new factories. They all look alike..'cause?? there seems to be only one basic shape for a utility tractor??
I will probably be corrected on this, but I believe back in the late 60s, into the 80's, Massey Ferguson, Ford and Allis Chalmers were all using a French made 3 cylinder Perkins diesel... and many rear castings were British Steel.....all with their own name cast in the block...
The planet has gone global, so the only certified home grown power would be a fowl born in your own stable..

tjdub · Apr 25, 2012

> Deere has had anything under 50hp made over seas since the mid 90's.

Actually, for the North American market, Deere makes most of it's small utility/ag tractors (<50HP) in Augusta, Georgia (USA). The large tractors (200HP+) are mostly made in Waterloo, IA (USA), Most everything in between (as far as ag tractors go) have been made in Mannheim, Germany for the past 30 years.

I use the word "made" loosely though, the parts for all of them are made all over the world. These are just factories where final assembly takes place.

ericlb · Apr 26, 2012

understand forgin builders wanting to enter the us market with their products, my concern is the ability to support their products with parts and service, my old ford [ jubilee] has tune up parts in every corner parts store if ya know what to ask for, this site has most of the other stuff for it,over the last few years ive gone through almost every part of it and ended up with a virtualy new 1953 tractor, which is fine, i do some commercial work with it and was reashearching the idea of upgrading my work tractor, primarly more hp, and 4x4 so i can pull harder when im doing a driveway, or brush hogging in the deep stuff,but still haull it around with a light duty [ 1 ton] or medium duty truck and trailer, but the last thing i need is a orphan tractor with no parts availibilty,and made cheap with soft castings ect i'll look awhile longer, before deciding thanks guys

Geo-TH,In · Apr 26, 2012

I recently rebuilt the hydraulic pump on my Jubilee. Guess what, the parts came from every corner of the world. Pump works fine.

blunosr · Apr 26, 2012

I just found that list of who makes what and where. It wasn't digital after all, it is in the 2010 Machinery Guide of the Farm Journal. Most implements and haying equip still come from the US and Canada, and most very large tractors are still from the US, England, France, and Italy. But it looks like the vast majority of smaller engine tractors (up to about 80hp) are made in Japan, India, and Korea.

This list says that CNH is making Farmall compacts and Boomer compacts in Dublin, Georgia. Is that true? Or do they just mean "assembled"?

This list also says JD is making their 4000 series and the 5m and 5e series in Augusta, Georgia. Is that true?

Bye for now,

Troy

Anonymous-0 · Apr 26, 2012

nuthin but heartache comes from the asian toilet rim and the middleeast

Texasmark1 · Apr 26, 2012

I have a Branson made by Kukji heavy equipment in S. Korea. Been in business since 1969. Engine is a 3.3L Cummins built by Komatsu Heavy equipment in Japan....you'll easily see Komatsu right along side Cat at most every construction site.

Had it since '07 and had a bearing on the AC drive tensioner go out. Had one shipped to me in 3 days no charge.

I broke a side door to the cab a couple of days ago. New one will be here in 5 days UPS from Plainview, TX. warehouse.......I mean like people don't break glass doors very often so why stock them at your dealer.

I call that adequate support.

Mark

dhermesc · Apr 26, 2012

And they say the same thing about North America.

dhermesc · Apr 26, 2012

You won't see a Cat on our job sites. Between their complete lack of customer service and their attitude of "We are Caterpiller, who the **** are you?" we don't even consider them when its time to buy.

greygoat · Apr 26, 2012

I get a truck magazine called,"4 Wheel Drive &
Off Road"..About a year ago they reported that
Chrysler was having LOTs of problems with their
small 4 cylinder engine,(found in Vans)and had
to buy back thousands of them, under the "Lemon
Laws", so was now buying, and using 4 cylinder
engines from HYUNDAI !

dhermesc · Apr 26, 2012

The ones assembled in Augusta Georgia are built mostly from imported components. They still use the Japanese designed and built Yanmar engine for the 4XXX series, the transmission is a Yanmar design that is actually assembled in a Yanmar plant in the US and sold to JD.

Lumpy · Apr 26, 2012

Dealer net work was the reason I put deere in the
top. I would agree that Mahindra is at the top
with Kubota when it come to durability. I know of
a Mahindra dealer that gave a landscape contractor
a 40hp tractor to use for an entire season to
prove the Mahindra was comparable to the Deere in
all aspects. In the fall when the season was over
the guy returned the Mahindra and said it was a
nice tractor. This spring he ended up buying 2 of
them.

Ken Macfarlane · Apr 26, 2012

Lot of Korean tractors. LS/LG/TYM or whatever they are called are rebadged as Landini, McCormick, New Holland, CIH too I assume and still sold as the orginal brands.

Dadong or Kioti supplies themselves and Bobcat, and now rebadged as Landini McCormick too.

whos making all these brand x tractors?

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