Well update

I guess the guy came with water for my sil well and it dident take much water, they figure the pump went bad.

How deep is the pump set?

Don't know. Well is drilled over170 feet

If you don't know how deep the pump is then don't try to pull it yourself, could be set at 50' or 165' if you get her unhooked and she's down there at 165 YOU will have your hands full. call the pump guy! and while he's there tell him to check the well dept, pump dept, water level, then tell your girl to write it down in her paper work and KEEP it. makes it's easy the next time. good luck.

Yep that's exactly what they did when my pump went in 09, well is 230 ft deep, water heads up at 180 ft if I remember right, they told me I had 80 gallons of water in it.

How the heck could you have 80 gallons of water in a 200 foot well pipe? In my area of New York, a 200 foot well is going to have 1" ID pipe. That holds water at a rate of one gallon for every 25 feet. A 200 well - even if water is all the way to the top (over-flowing-Artesian) is only going to have 8 gallons of water in it.

I'm not a big guy and I've pulled many wells up to 230 feet - myself. No help and it was no big deal. You're talking a max weight of 90-100 lbs. but many are lighter. A typical 170 foot well with water 3/4s up the pip and 3/4 horse pump weighs 75 lbs. Gets lighter as you pull.

In regard to losing it? Come on! The pipe you thread into the pitless to pull it all should have a T handle welded on. It can't fit into a 6" well casing and cannot be lost.

I'm not understanding ur question. They measured the to the bottom
Of the well, then how high the water was up in the well, then they claim it held 80 gallons. I don't know if there right or wrong. They pulled the pump out with a machine with 3 rubber wheels on it. I never said I pulled the pump out.??

Maybe they said it would produce 80 gal. per minute, and she misunderstood. That would be a very good well by any standard. Pumps do wear out and have to be replaced from time to time.

A simple volume calculation

n = Pi r squared x h

where:
π is Pi, approximately 3.142
r is the radius of the circular end of the cylinder (the pipe)
h height of the cylinder (water depth in the pipe)

would tell you how much water is static in the well.


231 cubic inches = 1 gallon

If Jay has a 6 inch casing it could easily hold 80 gallons of water from the top of the pump to the upper water level.

Yes it's 6" casing. The water is in the casing also not just the inch plastic pipe. I don't know what ljd is talking about.

He means you're only pulling up the weight of the well pipe, the water in it, and whatever is attached at the bottom. It doesn't matter what the water in the casing but outside the well pipe weighs.

(quoted from post at 05:21:01 04/22/12) How the heck could you have 80 gallons of water in a 200 foot well pipe? In my area of New York, a 200 foot well is going to have 1" ID pipe. That holds water at a rate of one gallon for every 25 feet. A 200 well - even if water is all the way to the top (over-flowing-Artesian) is only going to have 8 gallons of water in it.

I'm not a big guy and I've pulled many wells up to 230 feet - myself. No help and it was no big deal. You're talking a max weight of 90-100 lbs. but many are lighter. A typical 170 foot well with water 3/4s up the pip and 3/4 horse pump weighs 75 lbs. Gets lighter as you pull.

In regard to losing it? Come on! The pipe you thread into the pitless to pull it all should have a T handle welded on. It can't fit into a 6" well casing and cannot be lost.

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Really? You only have a 1" casing down to bedrock? They only drilled a 1" well? Whew, we'd be in trouble here. I'm down 225' but that's with an 8" casing.

Mike,
I think it matters quite a lot how much water is in the casing and how much it weighs; the further up in the casing the water the easier it will be to pull the pump and it"s piping.
Am I right there?
Is that displacement, maybe?
Like picking up a rock under water?

What does the size of the well casing got to do with any of this? You'd don't pull up the casing. You only pull up the well pump and pipe and that pipe is only 1" ID.

If you think you've got to pull out the entire 6" casing to work on the well - we live on different planets.

Like I said - I've pulled up many wells myself. No silly rig or team of people to do it. The claim that's been made her about not doing yourself is ridiculous. Same can be said about working on tractors, running a chainsaw, changing a spark plug, etc. If you have some common sense, prior knowledge and come equipped with two legs and two arms - it should not be very difficult.

I used to work week-ends for a well-driller. I've gone out many times on service calls by myself and pulled well pumps up. Our deepest wells here in central NY are around 240 feet but 180 is more common. I can easily pull up a 240 foot well pump and pipe -full of water - by myself.

You say there's 80 gallons of water in there? I ask - so what? That has nothing to do with any of this. All that counts is the weight of the water in the 1" pipe and the well pump itself. That only holds around 8 gallons, NOT 80. Usually around 80 lbs. when you first start pulling but gets lighter as you pull.

By the way, a 200 foot well with 180 feet of water in a 6" casing has over 260 gallons of water in it - NOT 80.

6" casing filled with 180 feet of water has 6,104 cubic inches of space and holds 264 gallons and that water weighs a ton (2,204 lbs.).

In that same well - the 1" pipe filled with 180 feet of water has 1,695 cubic inches of space and holds 7.3 gallons of water and weighs 61 lbs.

The well pump is attached to 1" pipe and that is attached to the pit-less adapter that is 5-6 feet below ground level.

Now - my in-laws well in northern Michigan is 550 feet deep. For that - I'd want to use a tripod and pull it up with a pickup truck.

No matter what - 180 feet of pipe filled with water and pump at the bottom is not going to weigh more then 90-100 lbs. Even a small person can pull 100 lbs. out of hole and that's only when you start pulling. It gets lighter as you pull it up.

There were claims here made that a person cannot pull by him/herself. That tells me the person making that claim has never worked on a well.

I have a 3inch submersible hanging at about 77 feet in a 4 inch casing out at the old farm place and have pulled it several times my self in last four or five years. Water level is about 40 feet. Well is poor, only can pump about 1 gal a min that is why I pulled it so many times, cleaning sand, acid treatment etc.

Again, I could care less if you can pull a pump out of a 230 ft deep well yourself, I never said anything about that. I just stated that I remember the well guys saying I had 80 gallons of water in the well , so since your so excited over this, you do the math and you can figure out were my water heads up, or how high up in the 230 ft hole the water is. Comperende

What the he'll planet r u on. No one said anything about pulling out the casing, who would even think something so stupid. I never said a thing about pulling up anything, holy $hi& ljd wake up?

Well if you a talking bout Me Lsd, yes I have work on pumps, tanks, Own My own drilling rig till last fall. have also worked on oil wells and done My share of fishing, too bad you can't read. never said he couldn't pull it, said for him NOT to pull it! said he would have his's hands full. Don't know how old the man might be, never know what you might run into pulling a pump, ever pulled one that the cable guard has come half way off? acts just like a great big fish hook. ever pulled one with cheap plastic fittings on it that are half broke off? ever pulled one that had so much iron built up on the inside of a 4" liner that ya had to keep pulling up and pushing down while ya worked it round in a circle to get the damn thing out? Think it's worth telling someone I have never met to go ahead grab a hold of that there Damn pump and yank it out of that 15,000 dollar well, ell you don't need some 1,000 dollar pump guy! Glad you didn't work for Me on weekends or any other time for that matter.

I reread you other post. And yes the pump was down over 220ft or so. I think the guy said they could lower the pump a little bit so the well wouldent run out of water as fast, I had them install a pump tec, so if we run the well out, it stops the pump from running dry thus ruining it. Shuts of power to the pump I mean.

Yeah, sounds like you did the right things.

Seems I may have misunderstood what you were stating. The numbers you gave didn't make any sense to me. They still don't.

This discussion also has two wells mentioned. Well, actually three - but you mentioned two.

If I've got this right - your well is drilled 230 feet deep with a 6" casing. That casing holds approx. 1 1/2 gallons per linear foot.

You said you've got 180 feet of water head with approx. 80 gallons. 180 feet of water head is around 265 gallons - not 80 gallons. So, I assumed maybe you were referring the the pipe and pump - which is the only part that has to be lifted out of the well for repairs.

Like I said - the 80 gallon figure doesn't come close for either the casing or the pipe. So, yes - I'm not sure what exactly is being referred to.

If you really only had a well with 80 gallons - a typical 3/4 horse pump rated at 15/20 GPM would pump out all that 80 gallons in five minutes or less. That's your reserve. Any water over that amount would come from your recovery/recharge whatever that happens to be.

Many wells in my area of central New York have a recovery rate of 1 gallon per minute. Since households (not farms) rarely need more water at one time then what's already stored in the well casing - the 1 GPM recovery rate is not a big deal. But if you had a well with only 80 gallons in it - and a common 1 GPM recovery rate? You'd turn on the water and run out in five minutes.

My point was that a well down to maybe 250 feet is no big deal to pull - for someone who is accustomed to doing physical work.

I wasn't trying to start an argument here. This is a forum where people post facts and opinions. Opinions I'm not going to argue or question. Facts - I will if something does not seem to make sense.

Ok that's much more clear, i may have not got the right numbers, my fault, but I do remember 80 gallons, i know I can't fill a 110 gallon stock tank from empty at one time,so maybe the drilled well is 230 feet, and the water was heading at 50 feet?? I really don't remember were the water headed, does that sound right ljd, for 80 gallons? And as far as pulling it out, ya I'm sure it can be done. I chose to call Lawrence water wells. Maybe u have heard of them? I also don't think there is casing all the way down, once they hit bedrock they don't use the casing, just plastic schedule 40 I think they said to the pump,, I live on top of a mountain that's why it's drilled so deep.

According to your numbers 1.5 liner foot to the gallon, at 50 feet I'd have 75 gallons. My fault I forget were the water headed. I wish it was more,,, when I run it dry it recovers in about 35 minutes or so maybe less/ more time I don't remember, less than an hour thought.