UPDATE-Charges for local hauling

Formerly PaMike · Mar 31, 2012

I just wanted to give you an update on the post the other day on the local hauling. I talked to the guy and told him I thought the bill seemed high. He told me "well there was 4.5 tons on the trailer and I had to go out of my way to get to a scale. Also, I had to wait a little for them to get a forklift to unload." He also said "it cost me $101 to fill up with diesel". I didn't push it, I figured there was no reason to make an enemy. He knows he tried to pull one over on me, and I called him on it.

Mike (WA) · Mar 31, 2012

Yeah, and his 40 mile round trip probably burned up about 15 bucks out of the $101, but I agree- you might be in a bind sometime, and be willing to pay through the nose just to get the job done. I've always pursued a course of not making enemies, and its worked for me.

Tom-NorthCenTX · Mar 31, 2012

You remember the old saying: Burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice, shame on me. Dont use him again. He is a crook. Tom

Anonymous-0 · Apr 1, 2012

(quoted from post at 16:56:36 03/31/12) I just wanted to give you an update on the post the other day on the local hauling. I talked to the guy and told him I thought the bill seemed high. He told me "well there was 4.5 tons on the trailer and I had to go out of my way to get to a scale. Also, I had to wait a little for them to get a forklift to unload." He also said "it cost me $101 to fill up with diesel". I didn't push it, I figured there was no reason to make an enemy. He knows he tried to pull one over on me, and I called him on it.

You did him a terrible injustice as well as his future customers.....Let a crook go without punishment in one form or another and it just makes them more confident........... Somebody may kill him one day..... And won't you feel guilty..............

At least made him give you an itemized invoice in hopes he'd have to pay taxes on the money you paid.....

RBnSC · Apr 1, 2012

$101 ain't much fuel. I don't know what He charged you but You should try to keep up with all the rules and regulations,road tax,insurance,federal inspections,CDL license,tires, vehicle maintenance..on and on. You ought to try it then see if you have a complaint.
Ron

showcrop · Apr 1, 2012

You did the right thing by talking to him. It lets him know that he didn't really get away with anything and that there can be some bad customer feelings out there that can come back to "bite" him. Now it is up to him to decide if he wants to take action to save his reputation. You can't force him to do anything, and you want to stick to the high road yourself.

tom kania · Apr 1, 2012

once again mike you have shown that you feel taken by the truckers. we invite you to haul your own products by yourself. see how much profit you can keep for yourself. truckers are not allowed to make profit according to you.

Terryfrom SWIowa · Apr 1, 2012

All you guys making comments would be complaining to if you were charged 5.00 a mile round trip for hauling. Keep your comments to your self next time.

Formerly PaMike · Apr 1, 2012

In case you didnt read my other post it was $212 for 4.5 tons going 25 loaded miles. Do you think thats a "fair going rate"?

Formerly PaMike · Apr 1, 2012

Everyone is allowed to make profit. I just dont want to be gouged. You wouldnt want me to do work for you for 2x and 3x the going rate would you???

Anonymous-0 · Apr 1, 2012

(quoted from post at 04:16:00 04/01/12) once again mike you have shown that you feel taken by the truckers. we invite you to haul your own products by yourself. see how much profit you can keep for yourself. truckers are not allowed to make profit according to you.

Yea Mike....Shame all over you.Guys like you complaining makes folks hafta work honest or get pointed out..... You oughta be ashamed.....

730d se · Apr 1, 2012

He smoked you for a 25 mile haul. How much did he quote? Was it what he charged?
I tried for years to "not make enemies", until I realized that doing that is simply fully supporting crooks that will likely ALWAYS be crooks.
Call them as you see them and eventually the word gets out. That is why they change their name, move, deny the truth, etc.

WCS · Apr 1, 2012

First of all, I am not complaining. I gladly pay a young man with good equipment (24 ft. livestock gooseneck trailer) about $4.00 per loaded mile to haul cattle about 35 miles to a sale barn. Loads have been weighing 6 tons and more (12,000 to 13,000 lbs). $140.00 per trip.

john in la · Apr 1, 2012

On one hand who cares how much it cost him to fuel up or what his other cost are; how much he charged Joe down the street or even you for a job last week.
On the other hand I can see he has a big expence to cover considering it takes my company $1.25+ a mile (loaded or empty) just to put me and fuel in a class 8 truck. Then you need to add the truck; insurance; repairs; ect.

The problem here is you did not get a firm quote before the job started.
If you had a firm quote before the job starts it then becomes a simple math problem to figure out the total he should have charged.

RBnSC · Apr 1, 2012

Seems reasonable to me.Think about the time it took. This week I paid $90 to have a part the size of a silver dollar delivered.
Ron

Billy Shafer · Apr 1, 2012

Seems like a rip off to me. I haul fertilizer at six tons 30 miles and don't charge anywhere near that much.

Anonymous-0 · Apr 1, 2012

(quoted from post at 05:36:59 04/01/12) Seems like a rip off to me. I haul fertilizer at six tons 30 miles and don't charge anywhere near that much.

You just ain't doin it right Bubba..............

farmer boy · Apr 1, 2012

To haul a load of bales 25 miles shouldn't have cost that. Figure one hour one the road total. 25+25+5 miles to his farm. So let's say $40/hour for his time(no other expenses.) At 8mpg average, he'd have used 7.5gal fuel and at 3.79/gal it'd be $28.43. Let's assume he has 16" tires that cost 220.00 each and he gets 50000 miles from them(more than possible), it costs him 0.0176(1.76cents) per mile. That's $2.12 if we double it(just to be able to profit from the tires) Let's say insurance is 10000/year and he hauls 35000miles/year or $0.35/mile, or $21.00. Now let's say registraton is $2000.00/year or 0.057/mile or 3.42 for the trip. Let's say he spends another $7000/year on safety inspections and general maintenance(excl. tires) or $12.00 for the trip. He has $45,000 in the truck and trailer, which depricates to $5000 in 5 years. $8000/year in equipment costs or 13.71 for the trip. That brings our total to $120.68 I forgot loading time. Let's assume it took 45 minutes to load and unload, ans we'll throw in an extra 15 mintues for driving for safe measure. That now brings our total(including $81.06 profit) to 160.68. Mike got charged 215, which is $54.32 above the maximum fair price. Just my way of looking at it.

Anonymous-0 · Apr 1, 2012

(quoted from post at 07:00:49 04/01/12) To haul a load of bales 25 miles shouldn"t have cost that. Figure one hour one the road total. 25+25+5 miles to his farm. So let"s say $40/hour for his time(no other expenses.) At 8mpg average, he"d have used 7.5gal fuel and at 3.79/gal it"s be $28.43. Let"s assume he has 16" tires that cost 220.00 each and he gets 50000 miles from them(more than possible), it costs him 0.0176(1.76cents) per mile. That"s $2.12 if we double it(just to be able to profit from the tires) Let"s say insurance is 10000/year and he hauls 35000miles/year or $0.35/mile, or $21.00. Now let"s say registraton is $2000.00/year or 0.057/mile or 3.42 for the trip. Let"s say he spends another $7000/year on safety inspections and general maintenance(excl. tires) or $12.00 for the trip. He has $45,000 in the truck and trailer, which depricates to $5000 in 5 years. $8000/year in equipment costs or 13.71 for the trip. That brings our total to $120.68 I forgot loading time. Let"s assume it took 45 minutes to load and unload, ans we"ll throw in an extra 15 mintues for driving for safe measure. That now brings our total(including $81.06 profit) to 160.68. Mike got charged 215, which is $54.32 above the maximum fair price. Just my way of looking at it.

You Canadians just ain't got good binus smarts like some folks do........

I's waitin on one a thesereal smart ones ta itemize that 215 buck bill now and make it look fair.....

Ralph Bauer · Apr 1, 2012

Kindly disagree on on the opinion in principle (your last sentence), not addressing the topic: Any opinion is welcome, negative, no opinion and positive. Nothing is black or white, there is plenty of grey....just like there's a half full or half empty glass of water... or just a container with some liquid in it...... Ralph in Oklahoma.

RBnSC · Apr 1, 2012

Looks like you got it all figured out. Go try it.
Ron

Clodbuster · Apr 1, 2012

Time to get a quote before you hire someone, and then go buy your own equipment when you don't like any quotes and then find the full true cost of ownership. You can underbid this guy, steal all of his customers, make millions, retire young.

I just had a buddy haul something for me that was on his way, and I borrowed his trailer for a short time the next day, and I paid him $200. He told me that was "too much" but I know that would barely buy one tire on the trailer, let alone any of the other expenses.

Anonymous-0 · Apr 1, 2012

Just outta curiosity.... how many miles (average?)would you expect this guy to clock up in a year? is 75-80k reasonable or is that high or low (and by how much)?

Same guy has just the one truck and trailer and is making a living at it. Aside from the initial price of the truck/trailer and his license (consider them an initial business investment),
How much is a reasonable yearly requirement for upkeep, insurance and fuel? Throw the banknote on it so it won't be like he's renewing equipment outta pocket....
=???
What would $60k do to that total (leave some left over or need some)? Talking about the truck in OP....

Without an argument, can someone answer that?

Thanks, Dave

Eldon (WA) · Apr 1, 2012

(quoted from post at 07:00:49 04/01/12) To haul a load of bales 25 miles shouldn't have cost that. Figure one hour one the road total. 25+25+5 miles to his farm. So let's say $40/hour for his time(no other expenses.) At 8mpg average, he'd have used 7.5gal fuel and at 3.79/gal it'd be $28.43. Let's assume he has 16" tires that cost 220.00 each and he gets 50000 miles from them(more than possible), it costs him 0.0176(1.76cents) per mile. That's $2.12 if we double it(just to be able to profit from the tires) Let's say insurance is 10000/year and he hauls 35000miles/year or $0.35/mile, or $21.00. Now let's say registraton is $2000.00/year or 0.057/mile or 3.42 for the trip. Let's say he spends another $7000/year on safety inspections and general maintenance(excl. tires) or $12.00 for the trip. He has $45,000 in the truck and trailer, which depricates to $5000 in 5 years. $8000/year in equipment costs or 13.71 for the trip. That brings our total to $120.68 I forgot loading time. Let's assume it took 45 minutes to load and unload, ans we'll throw in an extra 15 mintues for driving for safe measure. That now brings our total(including $81.06 profit) to 160.68. Mike got charged 215, which is $54.32 above the maximum fair price. Just my way of looking at it.

AH...you forgot the cost of vaseline!

Anonymous-0 · Apr 1, 2012

(quoted from post at 09:49:07 04/01/12)

(quoted from post at 07:00:49 04/01/12) To haul a load of bales 25 miles shouldn't have cost that. Figure one hour one the road total. 25+25+5 miles to his farm. So let's say $40/hour for his time(no other expenses.) At 8mpg average, he'd have used 7.5gal fuel and at 3.79/gal it'd be $28.43. Let's assume he has 16" tires that cost 220.00 each and he gets 50000 miles from them(more than possible), it costs him 0.0176(1.76cents) per mile. That's $2.12 if we double it(just to be able to profit from the tires) Let's say insurance is 10000/year and he hauls 35000miles/year or $0.35/mile, or $21.00. Now let's say registraton is $2000.00/year or 0.057/mile or 3.42 for the trip. Let's say he spends another $7000/year on safety inspections and general maintenance(excl. tires) or $12.00 for the trip. He has $45,000 in the truck and trailer, which depricates to $5000 in 5 years. $8000/year in equipment costs or 13.71 for the trip. That brings our total to $120.68 I forgot loading time. Let's assume it took 45 minutes to load and unload, ans we'll throw in an extra 15 mintues for driving for safe measure. That now brings our total(including $81.06 profit) to 160.68. Mike got charged 215, which is $54.32 above the maximum fair price. Just my way of looking at it.

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AH...you forgot the cost of vaseline!

very funny slick.....

kyplowboy · Apr 1, 2012

If took 25 gallons of fuel to move your hay that far he really needs to look for a new truck!!

You learned a cheap lesson, never hire some one with out a quote up front.

Dave

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