Where is my problem?

Adrian Billheimer · Mar 30, 2012

Having trouble with my Case backhoe (580D)starting, Feb. '11 replaced starter, last July trouble began, would not start all the time, acting like dead battery or dirty connections, cleaned all connections, made no difference, would start no problem when I would put the battery charger on it, last week finally bought new battery, (old battery was 9yrs. old), still doing it.
I can not see it being the starter switch, but could I have a bad solenoid?
Any thoughts or ideas are appreciated.

George D. · Mar 30, 2012

Just another diagnostic question:

How's the charging system? Have you had the alternator tested? Might be worth looking into before replacing hundreds of dollars' worth of parts and putting in lots of hours of labor . . .

That's my 2¢ worth.

-- Geo. D.

Wheat Farmer · Mar 30, 2012

Check and see if the ground cable is hot when trying to start. Check where the Ground cable hooks on the engine. If it is on a manifold bolt change it to a different bolt.

BushogPapa · Mar 30, 2012

May be worth monitoring the Voltage the Battery maintains when you engage the Starter..it may have a Weak cell..??
Just because it is "New" don't mean it must be "Good"...(anymore)...!!

Ron..

JerryS · Mar 30, 2012

Can suggest, from personal experience, that it could be your cables. Get a simple lighted probe to track your current.

Don-Wi · Mar 30, 2012

Last year my truck was giving similar problems, turned out the battery cable was bad, and if I would jiggle it I could get it to start. Replaced the ground cable and it has been trouble free since.

I would check out the cables.

Donovan from Wisconsin

WAYNE-N-TX · Mar 30, 2012

I sure was hoping for you to get an answer. My 580E does the same thing. I crawl underneath move all the wires and sometime it will crank, but not all time. For sure, not the starter, I've pulled it and hook it to a battery, you have to hold on or it will get away from you. Has to be a bad connection somewhere, just don"t know how to find it.

onefarmer · Mar 30, 2012

Put a volt meter on the batt and so what the reading is as you try to crank it over. Should drop down to the 9v range. If not that far look for a bad connection. If it draws more look at a bad batt or bad starter. Feel for warm to hot connections after an attempt to start. This would indicate a bad connection if there is enough current draw to warm them up.

LAA · Mar 30, 2012

Have had similar problem and it was the ground cable where it bolts to the frame (cast iron). I had a tractor do exactly the same thing, would not crank, charge battery and would not crank, hook up charger while battery installed and would start easy, tested battery, OK, changed hot cable and cleaned all starter and battery connections, OK, took starter and alternator and had tested, OK, finally took ground loose on the front frame and found rust, cleaned up good with a wire wheel and no problems for a year or so, same problem started again, cleaned again and used copper washers, no problems for the last few years.

bobs old iron · Mar 30, 2012

i'll kinda agree with Jerry,,,sometimes cables look fine, but corrosion builds inside where not notice able,had that type of problem with cars/trucks,,,start from battery then work inward to see where the power loss is...e/g--batt good, check cables, check starter switch, starter solenoid,,then starter..only five possibilities,,my ideas

Adrian Billheimer · Mar 30, 2012

Thanks for the responses, I have replaced the battery ground cable and cleaned the other ground cable connections, the alt. is about 2-3 yrs. old, I will try to see if I can find a hot connection and check the battery while trying to crank.
Thanks again and I will either ask for more help or let you all know what fixes it.

Adrian

C.R. · Mar 31, 2012

maybe re rout the ground my oliver didnt want to start all of the time I ran the ground cable to one of the starter bolts and that has helped

Anonymous-0 · Mar 31, 2012

(quoted from post at 19:59:53 03/30/12)
Just because it is "New" don't mean it must be "Good"...(anymore)...!!

Ron..

Goes for the starter also... But, I have a suspicion that if you skin your cables in a couple places, you'll find some pretty green/blue powder....

I'd replace the cables, try a loadtest on the battery, and see what happens before fooling with the starter again (unless it's easy to get out and you have a convenient place to have it tested)...

When all is clean and good, lay a penny or two on top of the battery and clean/replace them as they get corroded. Never tried it, but maybe just an old copper fitting or piece of pipe....

Good Luck,

Dave

ohiojim · Mar 31, 2012

could very well be the solinoid, i've had the same thing and that was the prob.

El Toro · Mar 31, 2012

If you have crimp on lugs on your battery cables I would get new cables with soldered lugs or make them yourself. Hal

TomH in PA · Mar 31, 2012

I've the the switch go bad, only takes a minute to check it with a meter.

BushogPapa · Apr 1, 2012

You could Jumper between the starter and the Battery..(IF you have some GOOD sized Jumper Cables..
Mine are made from Heavy welding Leads..

Ron..

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