OT-Warbirds

JerryS

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Back in the fall I posted some photos of a B-17 that was making a tour stop in our town. This week was a similar event, but this time they had a B-17 plus a B-24 and a P-51. I persuaded an older friend to go to the display with me, as he had flown some 33 combat missions in both bombers---about half and half in each. I asked him on how many of those 33 missions had his plane been hit. His answer: “All of them.” His hits were all from flak, not MEs. He said that they flew different altitudes each day to keep the Germans guessing on how to time the fuses on their AA rounds. He was a top turret gunner on both planes.
My friend Lenard, (shown in the photos) jokes that he still owes the government for two planes that he was unable to return. One of those he and his crew crash landed in a hostile zone in France. They immediately set the plane on fire, with dramatic visual results. He said that probably prevented nearby German troops from bothering to search for survivors. They found their way to the American lines the next day. The second occurrence was when they were returning from France over the Channel with an engine of their 24 on fire from hits. As soon as they crossed the English coastline they bailed.
These are just random shots of all three planes. The P-51 is actually running and taxiing for takeoff in this photo (what a great sound that engine made) but the camera stopped the prop.
That strange-looking tube protruding from the belly of the B-24 was pointed out to me by Lenard, who described it as a “relief valve”. The other end of the tube came up inside the cabin of the ship, and the guys used it to “relieve” themselves in flight. He said they used it a lot over Germany to give Hitler a little something extra.
Lenard and I attend the same church. We found that we have something else in common: his great-great uncle and my great grandfather served side-by-side (H Company, I Company) in the 19th Louisiana Infantry back during the Great Unpleasantness.
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Nice pictures Jerry always glade to see pics. Dad spent four years in England. He was ground crew for the 351 bomb group stationed at Polebrook, England.Dad helped keep the B-17's in the air.
 
I believe those three planes came to our town last summer. I took my grandson to see them, and was able to go through them. One thing I noticed the people who flew them were a lot smaller than I was. Stan
 
Thank you, those are beautiful pics. Things like this make me wish color photography was more prevalant during WW2.

Knowing what all was sacrificed during the war, it might be bad to say but can you imagine thousands of those planes all flying together? If ever there was true beauty, true poetry in motion, surrounded by and capable of unleashing so much distruction, these planes are the essence of it all.
 
great shots, its its kind of rare to see a C model p-51 with the windowed canopy, most of the ones ive seen were the later D with the one piece canopy,my dad was a avenger pilot during the later part of the war, after he passed years ago, i got ahold of a old navy issue suitcase he kept with him thru the years, was suprised to find it contained a box with all his uniform insignia, 1 uniform, and part of a pilots flight log
 
The p-51 in the pictures is one that my company quoted on overhauling back in 2002. It was originally a single seat model but the owners wanted it converted to a 2 seater. The plans for the aircraft was more for general cosmetics than to make it authentic. If you look at the wings there are not even any gun ports. The overall job is nice but eventually somebody else will buy it and put it back to original. It's nice to preserve history, but it's even nicer when it's done right.
 
Thanks for posting the great pics! Looks like your waist gunner might be a bit short though.

No F6F? I love those old P&W double wasp radials! Monster horsepower and a sound under load that the Allison's and Rolls Royce's could never match.

Thanks again!
 
Jerry--thanks for posting...I go each year to the local air show...just to listen to the P51's. Last year 8 P51's showed up.

There are 2 housed in a local hanger, and when they get out each Spring to stretch their wings, I can hear the planes long before I see them...about 3 miles away...

Tons of U-tube stuff on the P51's.....I attached a 5 minute version..

Tim
P 51 Mustang Music
 
We all owe lenard alot. I would say he owes the government nothing. Thanks for posting. The plane I fly has a releif tube, always fun to joke about where it is used ;)
 
My grandfather was a pilot before and during the war. He was a Major when the war started and a Lt. Colonel when the war ended. Granddad ran an air force base in Florida during most of the war.
My grandfather died in 1998, he was 83.
 
Thanks for sharing
What is all that writing on the side of that one plane? The greatest generation is passing away quickly. Very very sad.
All the WW1 veterans are now gone. The last one died a year ago at the age of 110 I think. His last name was Buckles if I remember right. He was an ambulance driver in France.
 
Guru, I'm sorry I can't tell you the meaning of all those names posted on the plane. Had I been there by myself I would have had time to ask more questions, but my old friend was fading fast and we had to cut it short.
 
I saw that plane at Orange County Airport (KMGJ) in New York shortly after it had been rebuilt. The names are the names of each person directly involved in the rebuild.
 
My wife and I went to the "gathering of the mustangs"-- all the P51's a few years ago in Columbus, OH. What a show, and a real treat to see so many of them restored and flying.
 
The EAA has a lot of Warbirds at Airventure the last week of July in Oshkosh Wisconsin- if you're interested it airplanes it's quite the show to go to, airshows every afternoon. Towards the end of the week they usually fly more Warbirds, Thursday's are veteran appreciation days. It's not uncommon the be able to hear Chuck Yeager or Bud Anderson speak, this last year they had 6 WASP pilots speaking about ferrying aircraft during the WWII.
 
I took a ride in that very same B-17 "Nine-O-Nine" out of Ellington Field in Houston in 2005. I loved every second of the ride.
C. L.
 
USAF has a virtual tour of the museum in Dayton, Ohio.

http://www.nmusafvirtualtour.com/full/tour-pkg.html
 
that is most likly the planes sponsers, , people who have contribute either time, or money towards the restoration, to get your name on a plane the contribution will be substancial,several thousands of dollars, at least it was when i checked into it,i gave what i could to the caf, but it was not even close to enough to get listed on a plane lol,that part doesnt mater to me though though, we need to keep these planes flying, while one wealthy person can restore a single engine plane, for a big bomber like this one, one person just couldnt do it, it costs many millions of dollars to go thru one, and millions more to keep it flying,and thats for each bomber, so its a "group effort" well worth it too
 

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