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old
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Yep just another scam to get the people who have no clue as to what is real and what is a scam. Just like you need to run that lead stuff in older engines or you burn up the valves. A sucker is born every day
Mark - IN.
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I think Shell has been doing that for a handful of years since they came out with their premium grade called V-Power I'm pretty certain, but could be wrong.
Decades ago, I used to work at an aluminum extrusion factory running one of the 1,800 ton presses that extruded the aluminum out of billets, T4, 5, and 6. I can't remember, but was when I ran either the 6061 or 6064 billets for hollow extrusion for say screen door frames, we injected liguid nitrogen into the dies to take out the oxygen, which helped keep impurities from bubbling up in the metal. It works. Was doing it decades ago. Also, during the summer when t would heat up to like 100 or 110 degrees in the plant, used to walk over to the nitrogen bottles and make snowballs from the frost build up and throw them at guys and vica-versa.
I know of a guy that mixes a couple or few ounces of acetone for every ten gallons of premium gasoline he uses in his vehicles to keep the inside of his engine clean. Swears by it. Say doesn't work as well with mid-grade, pretty much not at all or too unstable with regular grade. Only runs premium for better combustion and chemical reaction to the acetone.
Mark
Decades ago, I used to work at an aluminum extrusion factory running one of the 1,800 ton presses that extruded the aluminum out of billets, T4, 5, and 6. I can't remember, but was when I ran either the 6061 or 6064 billets for hollow extrusion for say screen door frames, we injected liguid nitrogen into the dies to take out the oxygen, which helped keep impurities from bubbling up in the metal. It works. Was doing it decades ago. Also, during the summer when t would heat up to like 100 or 110 degrees in the plant, used to walk over to the nitrogen bottles and make snowballs from the frost build up and throw them at guys and vica-versa.
I know of a guy that mixes a couple or few ounces of acetone for every ten gallons of premium gasoline he uses in his vehicles to keep the inside of his engine clean. Swears by it. Say doesn't work as well with mid-grade, pretty much not at all or too unstable with regular grade. Only runs premium for better combustion and chemical reaction to the acetone.
Mark
bobs old iron
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they been doing it for years as stated, it just another tatic/way to get people to buy their gas thinking it will improve your engine, i run it sometimes, because it a little better than some of the cut-rate gas stations like the convenient/grocery/7-11 type places..if it has any value to the gas, hell, a person could go to the parts store and buy additives and put in tank...
MarkB_MI
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It is a detergent. And it is certainly not 20 percent of the fuel by weight or by volume. If you check the actual shell ad pitch, it's "20 percent MORE nitrogen-enriched cleaning agents than before".
The pitch may be a bit hokey, but the additives are real, as evidenced by Shell's certification as a "Top Tier" Gasoline.
The pitch may be a bit hokey, but the additives are real, as evidenced by Shell's certification as a "Top Tier" Gasoline.
Indiana Ken
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In the mid 1950's refiner's introduced the first detergents for controlling deposit formation. These consisted of amines, amino amides ... which are nitrogen compounds. I suspect shell just came up with a fancy schmantcie name for what all refiners do. Remember "Shell with Platformate" ... what the ad did not tell you is that all/most gasoline contained platformate.
Shell has been advertising nitrogen in their gas ever since tire places started putting nitrogen in tires.
From what I can see, they are not charging extra for it. Shell gas has always been a little more expensive than other brands because they market themselves as a "premium" brand.
It is just a marketing campaign. It must be working because they've been running those ads for 3-4 years, or more.
From what I can see, they are not charging extra for it. Shell gas has always been a little more expensive than other brands because they market themselves as a "premium" brand.
It is just a marketing campaign. It must be working because they've been running those ads for 3-4 years, or more.
BushogPapa
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Seems to me that Nitrogen is Inert..
You probably couldn't FIND a way to ignite it short of Nuclear Fission...!!
Ron..
MarkB_MI
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well since nitrogen is a component of crude oil i would assume it all had some nitrogen content to it!LOL,I am not a big fan of shell,but they do have good gas.around here at least nearly everyone else get their fuel from the same truck ,it simply goes from station to station regardless of brand or station logo.Shell at least has their own delivery system to their stations so it at least makes their claims a little more believable( they may come from the same refinery ,i cant say).I dont buy shell gas because its higher and theres not one really close.
Top Tier gas is real simple, have any of you ever been to the place where the semi's are loaded? When filling for a discount station, you put in the load card for that brand of gas, and you get 1 or 2 lights showing on the pannel. It is telling you that you are getting 1 or 2 additives put in the gas. When filling for a premium station you get nearly every light on the pannel lit up. If my memory is right there are 15 or 20 different lights on the pannel. There is a quite a difference.
Come on now-Don't be like sheep to the slaughter? 20% Nitrogen?
Spot market gasoline is moved by pipelines across the USA. It arrives at a distribution terminal where additives are available for an extra charge.
There really is nothing much different from brand to brand. The specs call for a certain boiling range, a fixed RVP(Reid Vapor Pressure) and a certain octane rating. It is a PR game. LOL
old
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I don' know about that but I do know we breath it in and out all day every day as long as we are alive
Janicholson
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Nitrogen is inert in the sense that it takes pressure and temperature to bond oxygen to it. (this is an endothermic reaction absorbing heat, not giving heat) Nitrous oxide is an oxidizer (rocket fuel component carrying oxygen) it is also present in the pollution from gasoline combustion processes. (NOx) not more than marketing garbage. Jim
MarkB_MI
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That would be a question for your dealer. There are three possible answers:
1. Marathon and Shell gasoline is identical, but Marathon doesn't pay to get Top Tier certification. (not likely)
2. The station is selling gas that doesn't meet Top Tier specs under the Exxon brand. (probably not a good idea if he wants to keep his franchise)
4. Marathon blends the fuel to Exxon's requirements. (hopefully this is the truth)
1. Marathon and Shell gasoline is identical, but Marathon doesn't pay to get Top Tier certification. (not likely)
2. The station is selling gas that doesn't meet Top Tier specs under the Exxon brand. (probably not a good idea if he wants to keep his franchise)
4. Marathon blends the fuel to Exxon's requirements. (hopefully this is the truth)
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