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A guy right up the road was getting cooking oil from the restaurants around here a few years ago and making it. Only use he had for it was to run in his diesel pickup,so I bought his excess. It didn't amount to a lot,5 gallons once or twice a week for the most part. I gave him $3 a gallon for it,cheap at the time. When the price at the pump dropped lower than that,he quit making it. I don't know why he didn't start up again. He mixed something with it,methanol I think maybe it was. I ran it in my pickup and 2 different tractors. Can't say that I ever had a problem with it.
Kent Petersen
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it is better i run 5% bio year around in tractors and Chev duromax
armand tatro
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I use Bio-fuel in my semi 9 months of the year but from Dec. thru Feb. I want straight hi-way diesel because it flows better than Bio-diesel. Armand
Anonymous-0
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Only thing I've heard is to use antigel because it will wax at a higher temperature than straight diesel.
smallercrawler
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I use a tank of ~20% bio to every 4-5 tanks of regular diesel in '04 Cummins for past 2 years. Have noticed engine noise is reduced, engine is smoother, acceleration is better, and fuel filters stay cleaner. Slight mpg drop on full tank of bio (~.6 mpg) and price is now within 6 cents/gallon of diesel after being about 24 cents/gallon cheaper.
FWIW I would be leery of "home-brew fuel/additives" without proper "producers" paperwork as several stories floating around about large fines for "non road use taxed" fuel including cooking oil, used motor oil, and ATF. State's theory is that although SALES TAX was paid at purchase of these items, ROAD USE FUEL TAX was not.
Enforcement appears to be increasing as I bought truck new and had never been "dipped" in 8 years, but recently was stopped twice in about 4 hours to be checked by "flying squads" of troopers/state revenue agents. Now see them fairly often in the area.
FWIW I would be leery of "home-brew fuel/additives" without proper "producers" paperwork as several stories floating around about large fines for "non road use taxed" fuel including cooking oil, used motor oil, and ATF. State's theory is that although SALES TAX was paid at purchase of these items, ROAD USE FUEL TAX was not.
Enforcement appears to be increasing as I bought truck new and had never been "dipped" in 8 years, but recently was stopped twice in about 4 hours to be checked by "flying squads" of troopers/state revenue agents. Now see them fairly often in the area.
This is just my opinion:
Bio seems to have a VERY SHORT shelf life.. Used to run it in my truck/tractor regularly.. But, tractor sat a while, the bio separated and gunked up pump/injectors/filters/lines.. The pump had about 100 hours on a rework.. then I paid to have it reworked again.. That 10 cents a gallon I was saving DID NOT pay off when I dropped 1200 for the second pump rework.
I will no longer buy it that is one reason.. The other is locally, it is now more expensive than plain diesel..
I have heard that bio plugs filters more frequently than regular fuel.. Can't say this is fact or fiction.. The only time I have changed a fuel filter on my pickup due to plugging (and not part of normal servicing) it had something in it that appeared to be same as/similar to the gunk I scraped out of the filter housing and fuel tank on my tractor when the pump had to be reworked..
No matter what you buy, someone always has good luck and someone always has bad luck.. When it came to bio-fuel, I had the bad luck.
Brad
Bio seems to have a VERY SHORT shelf life.. Used to run it in my truck/tractor regularly.. But, tractor sat a while, the bio separated and gunked up pump/injectors/filters/lines.. The pump had about 100 hours on a rework.. then I paid to have it reworked again.. That 10 cents a gallon I was saving DID NOT pay off when I dropped 1200 for the second pump rework.
I will no longer buy it that is one reason.. The other is locally, it is now more expensive than plain diesel..
I have heard that bio plugs filters more frequently than regular fuel.. Can't say this is fact or fiction.. The only time I have changed a fuel filter on my pickup due to plugging (and not part of normal servicing) it had something in it that appeared to be same as/similar to the gunk I scraped out of the filter housing and fuel tank on my tractor when the pump had to be reworked..
No matter what you buy, someone always has good luck and someone always has bad luck.. When it came to bio-fuel, I had the bad luck.
Brad
In ND we see it, mostly made from soybean or canola oil.
Both ultra low sulfur diesel fuel and a bit worse with biodiesel, have a problem with bacteria and alge growing in the fuel and causing problems. We treat all fuel with a biocide which takes care of any stuff growing in it.
We have lost our local supply of biodiesel, which I regret, I still have a few machines with Standyne fuel lubricated injection pumps, so pure USLD is a little to dry for them. We use a commercial lubricity additive.
A test I read of most fuel lubricity additives, say 2% or 5% biodiesel is a better fuel system lubricant than most anything avalible.
Both ultra low sulfur diesel fuel and a bit worse with biodiesel, have a problem with bacteria and alge growing in the fuel and causing problems. We treat all fuel with a biocide which takes care of any stuff growing in it.
We have lost our local supply of biodiesel, which I regret, I still have a few machines with Standyne fuel lubricated injection pumps, so pure USLD is a little to dry for them. We use a commercial lubricity additive.
A test I read of most fuel lubricity additives, say 2% or 5% biodiesel is a better fuel system lubricant than most anything avalible.
Anonymous-0
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The separation issue is the reason I don't use biodiesel. If we used enough gallons and could change over at the end of harvest and therefore not have any around either in the machinery or storage tanks during the winter, would use bio-fuel. Otherwise not for me.
thegooseisloose
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It's a potentially good idea.
Billy Shafer
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That stuff is dead in Texas. Willie and his buddy Carl. Went broke trying to sell the stuff. I don't know of any place from Dallas to Houston that still sells it.
Can't hardly find any diesel around here that isn't a biodiesel blend. Been using it for years with no harmful effects. They either cut back in the colds months or blend in an anti gell. I usually run 60-90 thousand a year, and I only use Power Serve anti gell if I know it is going to be below 0 degrees.
John M
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Ive ran B20 from a local station year round for several years, run it in my 08 Duramax 99.9% of the time, unless they are calling for seveal days of freezing temps. I made my own, running it straight in my old Powerstroke for several months during the summer. I never had one single problem running it in the Stroke. I stopped only because my warranty on my Duramax would go out the window.
Not a fan. My 6.0 is a B5 max and the guy who owned it before me ran b20 in it and ruined the injectors, injector pump, stressed the exhaust and I had to have my pump drained and cleaned because of floaties growing in the stuff. If you run biodiesel you need to be aware that it can grow stuff like pondscum. You need to use Bacticide from time to time to cleans out your petry dish. The other issues you have to deal with is Biodiesel it is not ISO standardized so quality varies widely. It also is more expensive than diesel unless you get free used cooking oil and make it yourself.
Oh yeah, and don't get me started on filters. I had one filter that looked like you dipped it in bacon fat. I gelled up something fierce and pulled the filter. I figured I would put the filter on the shelf in my basement and let it disolve in the warmth. Forgot about it until July. Even at 80 degrees the waxy/greasy/gunky material had not even softened. If I have to ever us B anything, I run 200% Cetane mix rate in it to push it through the filter.
I have used B11 11% soybean oil, since it was available. Had a little filter trouble at first, now everything is normal. winter before last I did jell up. My own fault, I hadn't put any additive in. A little 911 in the filter got me going. I think everybody in my area is using B11, whether they know it or not. Southern Il. Also Gasohol, all our gas has alcohol in it. Vic
I worked for some folks who wanted to use bio-diesel so I called the local diesel performance shop.
I told them I had a question about bio-diesel. He immediately replied, "We can fix it." I asked what he meant and he said they could fix what ever the bio-diesel "F'd" up and it will eventually mess up something, especially on an engine that has run regular diesel a long time.
He explained a case where the fuel pump was leaking fuel into the crankcase. The engine eventually stopped. When they disassembled the engine, they found the cramkcase/engine filled with a caulk like substance. It made perfect sense; to make plastic you need oil, heat, nitrogen, and chlorine (basically, of course theere are other things for quality plastic). Bio-diesel is higher in nitrogen than other diesels, the crankcase provided the oil and the engine provided the heat. The only thing missing was the chlorine. I thought it a kind of cool MR. Wizard experiment that I was grateful I did not have to pay for.
Other bio problems:
Caustic; it will clean all the crap out of your engine necessitating frequent filter changes at first.
Older fuel lines will fail with bio.
Reeduction in power output.
Inconsistency of bio quality.
Never understood why it is considered more "green" to make fuel when nature has essentially already done the same thing.
I told them I had a question about bio-diesel. He immediately replied, "We can fix it." I asked what he meant and he said they could fix what ever the bio-diesel "F'd" up and it will eventually mess up something, especially on an engine that has run regular diesel a long time.
He explained a case where the fuel pump was leaking fuel into the crankcase. The engine eventually stopped. When they disassembled the engine, they found the cramkcase/engine filled with a caulk like substance. It made perfect sense; to make plastic you need oil, heat, nitrogen, and chlorine (basically, of course theere are other things for quality plastic). Bio-diesel is higher in nitrogen than other diesels, the crankcase provided the oil and the engine provided the heat. The only thing missing was the chlorine. I thought it a kind of cool MR. Wizard experiment that I was grateful I did not have to pay for.
Other bio problems:
Caustic; it will clean all the crap out of your engine necessitating frequent filter changes at first.
Older fuel lines will fail with bio.
Reeduction in power output.
Inconsistency of bio quality.
Never understood why it is considered more "green" to make fuel when nature has essentially already done the same thing.
Biodiesel works well.
Avantages: Lower emissions. Higher lubricity - much better than ULSD. Higher Cetane. Spill are biodegradable
Disavantages. Soy biodiesel is more expensive than regular diesel. It gells pretty quickly. Low shelf life. Lower BTUs = lower mileage.
I ran 100% biodiesel in my 2 year old duramax back before crop prices went crazy (and diesel already had). The engine ran quieter and better. It did use a little more fuel. Actually I got the same milage back then on biodiesel as I do now on the crappy ultra low sulfer diesel.
Avantages: Lower emissions. Higher lubricity - much better than ULSD. Higher Cetane. Spill are biodegradable
Disavantages. Soy biodiesel is more expensive than regular diesel. It gells pretty quickly. Low shelf life. Lower BTUs = lower mileage.
I ran 100% biodiesel in my 2 year old duramax back before crop prices went crazy (and diesel already had). The engine ran quieter and better. It did use a little more fuel. Actually I got the same milage back then on biodiesel as I do now on the crappy ultra low sulfer diesel.
You can have the boidiesel. I can tell the differance with only 10% biodiesel.
Lower mileage and performance, cost more. Actually, It is not any better emission wise when you consider the fuel used to produce the soybeans or corn. It has driven the cost of feed out of sight. What does your grocery bill look like since biodiesel and ethanol was forced on us?
Lower mileage and performance, cost more. Actually, It is not any better emission wise when you consider the fuel used to produce the soybeans or corn. It has driven the cost of feed out of sight. What does your grocery bill look like since biodiesel and ethanol was forced on us?
Anonymous-0
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I need to be on a diet. Using bio...the exhaust... made me lust for french fries and deep fried shrimp. Couldn't handle the temptations.
casecollectorsc
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Used bio for one year, and loved the stuff. Local Coop said nothing, or knew nothing about bacteria. Needless to say over winter had 3 injector pumps gum up at 1100 bucks apiece, got real expensive!!! But if they could overcome that problem, I would use it again!!
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