home invasion

Anonymous-0 · Feb 17, 2012

Two crooks tried to do a home invasion 20 miles from here yesterday.Homeowner shot both of them,1 dead ,1 in hospital.No charges filed.Now you know why I carry a S&W.

Greg K · Feb 17, 2012

Serves em right

Red Mud · Feb 17, 2012

Wonder what it will cost the guy for not making sure the other guy was not dead??

1936 · Feb 17, 2012

Rural or city location?

RodinNS · Feb 17, 2012

Be sorry the second one isn't dead yet.... Civil court here we come.

Rod

chevytaHOE5674 · Feb 17, 2012

Hopefully it was in a state that allows lethal defense of property.....

skip33652 · Feb 17, 2012

always use a shotgun its harder to count the number of times you shot the intruders.Paul

Billy Shafer · Feb 17, 2012

I had a cousin try that years ago. Trying to break into an eighty year old couples home. Never made it past the back door. Best thing that ever happened to him.

Chip812 · Feb 17, 2012

(quoted from post at 09:04:33 02/17/12) always use a shotgun its harder to count the number of times you shot the intruders.Paul

Yeah, but they can usually tell once you put the sixth shell in them.... :lol:
8)

John T Country Lawyer · Feb 17, 2012

When only seconds count for a life saving decision, remember 911 is MINUTES away lol

Yep subject to a few ultra left locations, most Prosecutors wont prefer charges in home invasion cases. HOWEVER where the ACLU and ultra libs and civil libbers and left leaning anti gun nnalert are in the majority, the homeowner is gonna go to jail grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr and the criminal (especially if an illegal alien perhaps) will be painted as the victim

While I dont practice in the area of criminal law I can still say even in a home invasion case (where the homeowner can use deadly force in "most" situations) its best NOT to shoot an intruder who is retreating i.e. in the back and the homeowners use of deadly force is far more justifiable if INSIDE the home of course NOT in the yard and certainly NOT if in retreat

The other thing is when a gun is used in these situations and it saves the life of the innocent, THE abundant PRESS DOESNT SEEM TO REPORT IT HMMMMMMMMMMMM

John T Country Lawyer Old Fashion Traditional Conservative Patriot

Mike (WA) · Feb 17, 2012

Almost every state will allow lethal force when someone(s) is breaking into your home, especially in the night. Its defense of yourself or others, and law enforcement recognizes that in that situation, by the time you find out whether they intend to harm you or not, its too late.

Defense of property is much different, and most who get in trouble in that area are shooting guys who are rooting around out in the shed, or are leaving the scene with your goods and are shot in the back.

GordoSD · Feb 17, 2012

YEAH, MAKE SURE YOU ROLL THEM OVER ON THEIR BACK before firing more bullets.

Mike (WA) · Feb 17, 2012

Local sheriff used to tell folks in meetings and such regarding the subject, "You gotta make sure the body is falling into the house, not out. Now I'd never tell anyone to tamper with a crime scene, or anything. . ."

He is long ritired, in his late 80's, lives just down the road from me. I'm sure not gonna recommend anyone try to break into HIS house.

dhermesc · Feb 17, 2012

Actually its only legal to use deadly force in a home invasion in 31 states. Other states say the "invasion" its self does not give you the right to use deadly force - the intruder has to have the means to cause "great" bodily harm or death for you to use dealy force.

In some states like Illinois you are required by law to retreat from the invader and not use force to make them leave. In Illinois a man was charged with murder after he retreated to his bedroom, told the invaders he had a gun and then shot the firt one that kicked in his bedroom door. The prosecutor said the man could have gone out his second story window to his porch roof to avoid the confrontation.

thurlow · Feb 17, 2012

There's a story going round which is probably not true, but may have some basis in fact.........lady shot at and hit a home intruder 6 times; policeman asked her, "Why did you shoot him 6 times?" "When I pulled the trigger the 7th time, the gun just clicked." You gotta love it...............

Anonymous-0 · Feb 17, 2012

Those are the laws of man, the only law I concern myself with are the laws of our creator. From what I understand I am charged with protecting my family and the weak from harm and will do so no matter what the laws of man say.

the tractor vet · Feb 17, 2012

Boy ain't that the truth , where i live in town i am five blocks from the cop shop and IF you call You have enough time to make a pot of coffee and drink half of it read a short novel and smoke a couple smokes . I am not kidding here . The quickest they have showed up is 12 min. FROM the time i hung up the phone. Oh and don't call the sheriff as here we are not talking min. lets start talking over and hour response time here .

John T · Feb 17, 2012

In general deadly foce can ONLY be used in defense of life NOT PERSONAL PROPERTY, subject of course, too allllllll sorts of conditions like most laws

John T

641Dave · Feb 17, 2012

Here's my state's outline of the castle law.

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/html/SB00378F.htm

The way I read it, once someone shows up and displays intent of unlawful intrusion, that's their arse!

old · Feb 17, 2012

Yep that is why in any given room of the house there might be a gun stashed away some place and or some other type of weapon. I even have one sitting right here on the computer. But I also collect guns and have a good many of them

Gun guru · Feb 17, 2012

That guy screwed up, you always shoot twice to make sure they are dead.

PJH · Feb 17, 2012

I happen to live in Southern Illinois, and that's a story I've never heard before. Retreat from a home invader?? Climb OUT of a bedroom window?? Onto a porch roof?? When I have access to a weapon?? Your story requires a far stretch of the imagination.

I'd like to see a link.

No offense intended.

Paul

641Dave · Feb 17, 2012

Illinois has no requirement of retreat from what I gathered from the states that have adopted the castle law.

BDT in Minnesota · Feb 17, 2012

That is a keeper;;; Thanks,,

Tom OConnor · Feb 17, 2012

We had our home broken in to two years ago by two seventeen year old boys while we were out of town. After walking a half mile across a wet soft field they kicked a basement window in and came up the stairs and opened a back door for their escape route and touched off the alarm system. The police tracked them down shortly and they are now doing a year in prison. I always thought that I would do what many of you are saying as I have a 12 guage Benelli Automatic handy in the house but after seeing how young seventeen year olds are I am not sure I could have shot either of them as long as they were not a threat to my wife or myself. As the Judge sentenced them I was next to their families and to see the heartbreak of the mothers, fathers and grandparents. All I could say to them was "Lets be thankfull that this is a court proceeding rather than a funeral service." A home invasion memory will last a long time but to take anothers life may haunt you forever.

thurlow · Feb 17, 2012

Tom..........I could not agree more; lots of BAD folks sitting behind computer screens. There are some true heros who frequent these various forums........guys who've received and returned fire. I NEVER see one of them post about how BAD they are.

fixerupper · Feb 17, 2012

A funeral or funerals would be a life sentence of mental torture with no reprieve for the parents. Jim

souNdguy · Feb 17, 2012

hooray for the good guys!

jails would be less crowded if more situations were handled this way. IE.. shoot the dern criminals...

soudnguy

Ryan - WI · Feb 17, 2012

(quoted from post at 09:23:23 02/17/12) When only seconds count for a life saving decision, remember 911 is MINUTES away lol

Yep subject to a few ultra left locations, most Prosecutors wont prefer charges in home invasion cases. HOWEVER where the ACLU and ultra libs and civil libbers and left leaning anti gun nnalert are in the majority, the homeowner is gonna go to jail grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr and the criminal (especially if an illegal alien perhaps) will be painted as the victim

While I dont practice in the area of criminal law I can still say even in a home invasion case (where the homeowner can use deadly force in "most" situations) its best NOT to shoot an intruder who is retreating i.e. in the back and the homeowners use of deadly force is far more justifiable if INSIDE the home of course NOT in the yard and certainly NOT if in retreat

The other thing is when a gun is used in these situations and it saves the life of the innocent, THE abundant PRESS DOESNT SEEM TO REPORT IT HMMMMMMMMMMMM

John T Country Lawyer Old Fashion Traditional Conservative Patriot

That would be a great theory if it wasn't as full of holes as this guy: http://abcnews.go.com/US/okla-woman...perators-shoot/story?id=15285605#.Tz7llIefefw

Anonymous-0 · Feb 17, 2012

Don't know if I could shoot a kid... Prolly just make him strip down to his skivvies, and make the walk of shame home...

MO8N4ME · Feb 17, 2012

(quoted from post at 04:24:41 02/18/12)I always thought that I would do what many of you are saying as I have a 12 guage Benelli Automatic handy in the house but after seeing how young seventeen year olds are I am not sure I could have shot either of them as long as they were not a threat to my wife or myself.

Tom, with all due respect, I consider your compassion.

While your experience gives those of us who have a heart some pause for thought, it also has to bring us back to the reality of the moment.

If you don’t know what you are going to do before hand, you probably don’t need the 12 gauge.

One should decide before they are in that situation what he/she would do and then do it.

If you are confronted by an intruder and need to consider his parents feelings or whether or not he is just a teenager, I hope for your wife’s sake he is not armed. While you are considering if this is a threat or not, the perp could be emptying his glock in your chest.

While some may think it is cold or heartless of me, or even chest thumping, I am never out of reach of my firearm and I know in my heart of hearts that I am going to pull the trigger if need be.

God forbid…but I hope the law and the facts work in my favor. I will not be asking an intruder, who just broke into my home, if he wants to hurt me….or not.

He has already broken the law, his intentions are criminal and I am armed to protect me and mine.

Ky. Hauler · Feb 17, 2012

You are in your house. You have no where else to go. It is your last place of refuge. Any law that says otherwise is 'tarded.

Glenn Warner · Feb 17, 2012

what would i do in a home invasion? Depends on who's got control of the situation. If I dont, I try to give them what they want , and hope they give me the 10 second window of opportunity , then they are dead sons of bitches.

wisbaker · Feb 17, 2012

Wisconsin just passed castle doctrine, all the summaries about I have seen claim in the Wisconsin law if you defend yourself with in the guidelines of the law AND the perp lives to sue you, you can sue the perp AND his lawyer for legal fees and damages, theory is this will cut down frivolous law suites. And the unions are trying to recall our governor, the trial lawyers probably will join the effort too.

JerryS · Feb 17, 2012

Of course there can be lots of legitimate speculation about who would do what, and to whom, when some crisis situation should arrive. I'm no Rambo, but I can tell you what I was prepared to do. About 25 years ago wife, small daughter and I returned to house after being gone only about 30 to-45 minutes. Entered through the kitchen and could see open window, curtains fluttering in my little girl's room. I sent them back outside and went through child's room into my bedroom, where I saw things in disarray, but no perp. I found my .41 mag in its place; was afraid he'd found it first. I didn't know if he was still in the house or not. I searched the house--closets, shower, under beds, etc. I knew beyond a doubt that if I found him I was going to shoot him, but he was gone---with wife's jewelry.

Another time I actually caught a guy in my back yard, stealing my tools. I had no intention of shooting him; just me and him, got him under control pretty quick. Wife came out, big-eyed, holding that .41 with both shaking hands. Perp and I both thought we were going to get shot. We gave him to the cops unharmed.

chuck t · Feb 18, 2012

(quoted from post at 06:04:51 02/17/12) Two crooks tried to do a home invasion 20 miles from here yesterday.Homeowner shot both of them,1 dead ,1 in hospital.No charges filed.Now you know why I carry a S&W.

I am no Mr. Badass or anything, but one night wife was sleeping on the couch and ran in the bedroom saying someone came in the back door and went into the dining room. I grabbed the pump shotgun, gave the unmistakeable pump to load it, and loudly announced that I was allowing 10 seconds to get out. Any movement after that by anything over 4 feet tall (had 3 small kids in bedroom behind me) was going to get shot. Strange feeling, but I was kind of hoping something moved either immediatly or after 10 seconds just so I could end the situation. I would have shot to end the threat.

Anonymous-0 · Feb 18, 2012

Maine law says you have no duty to warn an intruder if doing so would put you at risk.Local newspaper has good coverage.I had a look at the front page yesterday.Shell casing was outside on blacktop.Must have been a 9mm.Not enough gun.Shot to hip killed one rat, leg shot wounded the other.An elderly woman was stabbed 30 times during a home invasion but did call 911 before she died.Killer is in prison.So called home invasions have happened in towns all around us.

Texasmark1 · Feb 18, 2012

John Bubba Sir,

In Collin County, Immediately N. of Dallas Co., if a SOB or two, or so, break your door down in the middle of the night and you kill all the SOB's with your 38 revolver with 5 rounds of dumb dumb (squared off tip, hollow point projectile) loads in it, the Sheriff's dept. has already excused you....."They just shouldn't have been there doing that". So much for Jurisprudence Sir. Already asked the question when the folks in Houston were getting the drug gang influence in their town up from Mexico and below and it hit the nat'l news circuit.

Mark

Texasmark1 · Feb 18, 2012

Well the only reason they didn't put 7 in them is that on the 7th
round the revolver just went click!!!!!!!!!!! Butt when the rounds get
bigger and badder, it only accommodates 5, so on the 6th it goes
click!!!!!!!

Stuff that.

Mark

Texasmark1 · Feb 18, 2012

Yeah, the law enforcement will be there in minutes when seconds count......well where were you when I needed you??????

Texasmark1 · Feb 18, 2012

Well Tim boy, you just answered the question yourself. They apparently were just common thieves and not a threat to you or your family. So obviously you didn't have to resort to terminal measures.

We are talking about home invasion here, not petty criminals breaking into your house when you are not home.

Apples and oranges.

Mark

Texasmark1 · Feb 18, 2012

Yes. Just like my local Sheriff's dept. said, he just shouldn't have
been there doing that. Has nothing to do with his family.

Mark

Texasmark1 · Feb 18, 2012

Hopefully would-be crooks will read the replies here and think twice before ingressing on peoples property. The responses are just an example of what country people do and are prepared to do, especially with the drug culture that has invaded our country.

Mark

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