Concealed carry permit

Recently the Colorado Senate debated on weather to let eligible law abiding citizens carry concealed without a permit.They turned it down.They said it would too easy for criminals to get access to weapons,and it would be to hard for the cops to figure out who was who.I say hogwash!the crooks are gonna carry anyway!Any other states have 'No permit laws' in effect?Steve

So how do police know that a person has a CC Permit and is not a criminal?


I wonder if Vermont knows they are going to have large numbers of civilians killed by the police because they don't require a CC Permit. Perhaps someone should call Wyoming too.

The left coast (aka) California has extremely restrictive laws concerning guns. However, a national concealed carry law is expected to pass congress this year. It makes it legal to go from one concealed carry permit state to another, just like a drivers lisence does. The best way to contribute is to join the NRA. Become a life member. Ellis

On one hand I feel it's a disgrace for a person to have to get a permit to enjoy the second amendment. Then on the other hand it seems the population has less and less common sense daily. I believe if a person were allowed to carry a gun without a permit you would see daily someone shooting in the midst of a crowd endangering the public. I know a man that teaches classes for the carry permit in Texas and he told me that most of the class pertains to when and when not to shoot. I vote for the permits.

here's an idea........ Put it out where everyone can see it and don't hide it......

Not against guns. Just might have one or two myself. But carry without a permit would be akin to driving without a lisence. Gotta be some sort of organization in this already way to messed up world.

Good morning DeltaRed:
How have you been:
I am a retired FED,OFFICER: I understand what you are saying and I agree, But The biggest thing that botherd me was, If stoped you and you had a gun and no permit I treated you as a posible threat, and I would have you in irons in a heart beat. But if you had a permit Things would have been a little different.

If you are ever stoped for any reason this is
what we would ask for;
1. Do you have a DL
2. Do you have REG for car
3. Do you have ProF, of INS.
4. Do you have any wEAPONS in the veh, and if so
5. Do you have a PERMIT to CARRY or Transport.
FFL
So DeltaRed dont get mad and I am sorry if I up set you, The bottom line is It makes every OFFICER feel a lot better if the person they have stoped has a permit to carry: Because the permit to carry saves a lot of hassel to both partys,and the permit holder knows what he or she has had to do to get that permit to carry and chances are they are not going to loss that right to carry.
DeltaRed: HAVE A GREAT DAY
JR FRYE

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here's an idea........ Put it out where everyone can see it and don't hide it......

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Here in Pa, it is legal to open carry, but you must have a permit to conceal.

The Constitution doesn't guarantee the Citizens of the USA the right to drive a vehicle but it does guarantee Citizens the Right to Bear Arms so your drivers license analogy is silly at best.The Government doesn't 'own' any rights to hand out as they please the citizens own the rights and the Gov't can only restict those rights for specific reasons.Convicted felons and the like can have their firearm rights restricted but if anyone is a law abiding citizen they are already guaranteed the right to bear arms.Gov't is going against the Constitution when they restrict the rights of law abiding citizens.

Thanks for all the comments.Food for thought....Steve

So you viewed every law abiding citizen that had a gun as a threat? Personally I don't like the Police State the US is evolving into.Ever read the Consitution?

What a coincidence. Just upgraded from life membership to endowment this morning. Without NRA none of us would have gun ownership today.
Joe

SD legislature discussed it and dumped it already this year.
You have to think reciprosity here. Let's say SD didn't have permits and I was driving in NE then I would be in violation there. Now my SD CCP works in some twenty odd other states.
You don't even want to think federal CC permits. Just gives them another hammer.
It currently costs 10 dollars for 5 years here. What do you think the Federal fee would be? $100 at least. And a two day clsss ($100) and an annual renewal, ad infinitum. They would make it difficult and expensive to try to eliminate handgun ownership. Beware Eric Holder and his cronies.

In MO you can conceal in your car without a permit now. But if its on your person you must have a CCW. I think open carry might make some folks very nervous. I am a big gun guy and I have my ccw but I must admit that a month or so back I was paying for my fuel and young guy in front of me had the handle of a glock sticking of his front pants pocket made me a bit nervous. He may of been a law abiding citizen but I did not take my eyes off of him. Guns dont bother me at all. But people do.If that makes since.

Am absolutely astonded at the Sheeple the citizens of the US have turned into.Would you accept restrictions on your freedom of speech as easily as you do restrictions on your guns? Both are guaranteed in the Bill of Rights.Guess you guys think it'll be OK for the Gov't to license your emails and check them before you send them?Wonder how much they'll charge for a Newspaper permit?

Illinois doesn't have a concealed carry permit available

[i:654c4848f0] ...If stoped you and you had a gun and no permit I treated you as a posible threat, and I would have you in irons in a heart beat. But if you had a permit Things would have been a little different.[/i:654c4848f0]

Why on earth would this be the case? Why would you place a free citizen "in irons" or arrest or detain him in any way?
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If you are ever stoped for any reason this is
what we would ask for;

1. Do you have a DL [/i:654c4848f0]

If I'm driving my car on your (Federal, state, county) road, this is a very fair question, and I would show you my DL. If I'm driving it on private property whether or not I have a DL macht nichts.
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2. Do you have REG for car
3. Do you have ProF, of INS.
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similar to #1, if required by jurisdiction
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4. Do you have any wEAPONS in the veh,
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Why is this any of your business? I am sitting in a "weapon". What I have in my trunk, or otherwise in my vehicle is none of your business until and unless you have probable cause to ask permission to search. Am I under arrest at this point? Are you needing to inventory my vehicle prior to towing it? Why is this question relevant? You should state your business and take it from there. On the other hand, if I have a gun in the glove box it would be a good idea to inform you before I reach in there and root around for the documents you want.
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and if so
5. Do you have a PERMIT to CARRY or Transport.
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I'm not even sure I could get such a permit in some places. What would my sheriff say if I asked him for a permit to transport a gun in my vehicle? When he finished laughing and wiping the coffee off of his desk he'd tell me that any citizen in my state that is legally allowed to own a gun can carry a (loaded! Oh my!) gun in the glovebox or elsewhere in the vehicle. A permit is still required in my state to hide a gun on your person, but not to own one or to transport one in your vehicle.
As a former federal officer, you should know that federal law also stipulates that no permit is required to transport a gun through a less-free state so long as I am allowed to own the gun at both my initial location and my destination.
[i:654c4848f0] The bottom line is It makes every OFFICER feel a lot better if the person they have stoped has a permit to carry:[/i:654c4848f0]

That's a pretty broad (and false) statement. It may make more squeamish officers in the freer states more comfortable.
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Because the permit to carry saves a lot of hassel to both partys,[/i:654c4848f0]

This part I agree with, especially when traveling to less free states that honor your permit.

Neighbor here in SD had a permit to carry one at one time. He got pulled over for a moving violation one evening along the Interstate. He is a big guy but in his early 60's and pretty much a gentle person. The cops made him and his wife get out of the van and they then searched it pretty thoroughly while they had to stand beside the road and watch. He later asked why they did that and they told him when they called in the license plate number to check on it, they found he had a concealed weapons permit. Guess they wondered what else he was up to. His wife was PO about that for a long time.

(quoted from post at 10:45:32 01/26/12) So you viewed every law abiding citizen that had a gun as a threat? Personally I don't like the Police State the US is evolving into.Ever read the Consitution?

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I think you would thick somewhat differently if you were on the pointy end of the stick. Police officers are generally speaking, pulling you over because you may have done something to call attention to you or your automoble. How can he know who you really are until he has your information in hand and has made a comparison of your identification and you. For all he or she knows you may have just stolen the car at gun point 2 mins before you got pulled over for a warning because the headlight is out. If you took it at gun point and don't want to go to jail, anything can happen.

And that I believe is the point the retired officer was trying to make. They must approach every interaction with the public with a jaundiced eye, until the situation becomes clear how it is going to go.

Not taking sides really just saying if I wore a badge, and wanted to make it to retirement. I would approach with caution and be perpared for anything and everything to go south, until I knew [b:cca0a6b4c5]your[/b:cca0a6b4c5] intentions. Mine would have been clear when I turned on the blue light. There is a problem, real or percieved, and I'm going to investigate.

Again just trying to put things in perspective.

The only point of contention I have with the former officers reply is that part about a permit to transport a firearm. In most states it is regulated how firearms can be transported in a personal vehical, in every instance of travel intrastate or interstate for personal reasons in a personal vehical the governing law for your state of residence, is the law the officer "has to follow", as long as you are passing through that state on your way to your destination. Even if that state does not allow transport of firearms in vehicals by residents of that state. Can you catch some greif by doing exactly that? Certainly. Happens all the time.

That's why you should know the laws of the states you are planing to visit, and act accordingly. If you assume the police person of some small town or State Highway patrol person is up to snuff on interstate movement of privately owned firearms in a state other than your home state, you only have yourself really to blame, since ignorence of the law can be found on both sides.

I do agree that the concealed carry of a firearm should be extended to all that can prove compitancy with a hand gun, and that universal carry in all states should be recognized as a right, not a priviledge.

I totaly agree cause if you are legal what do you have to hide. Its just like the traffic cameras if you abey the signs abn stop on red you just wont have any problems.

Personally there should be no "permit to carry" in any state.

The constitution should be "permit" enough to carry a firearm in any of the states in the union.

No matter what laws they pass criminals will buy/steal/carry/use/misuse firearms. If all us law abiding citizens had the ability to carry anytime anyplace criminals may think twice about who/what/how they commit crimes, because anyone and everyone could have their own firearm to defend themselves or others.

IMO!!!!!

Yep, All free men should carry a gun. It really evens the playing field when crimes are being commited.

Was just reading a story over on Foxnews.com that a Pen. Man assulted by 3 teens while riding his bike. One dead, one wounded and one in the pokie after he was able to pull his handgun. Thats what its going to take to stop some of this crap.

part of the concealed carry training here states that the first thing you should tell the police if you are stopped for some reason is that you have a permit,and wheather or not you are armed.Failure to do so is possible cause for revoking your permit.(at least here anyway). The proper procedure here is to hand the police your license ,insurance verification, and gun permit even if not asked.This stops a lot of the confusion right off the bat.If the law has to search you and find you armed,even with a permit,you could have problems.If they find you armed, and youve not declared yourself so, they have every reason to believe you are up to no good.By the way, to verify this i asked directly two county sheriffs,the town chief of police,and two hyway patrolmen.All said the same thing, and all supported concealed carry.lets face it guys, all that permit is is a simple piece of paper,any ten year old with a computer could make one. The law abiding citizens who have one should not have any problem telling a law officer so. But then again theres many a formally law abiding citizen who do stupid stuff in the right circumstances LOL

Michigan is a "open carry," and concealed carry is "shall issue." By that, the local county gun boards have to issue to any applicant that meets the training, NO legal record, and makes the proper application, pays the fees and gets fingerprinted. Gun boards got themselves into that, because some were denying many candidates for capricious reasons. Open carry is a whole nother can of worms, as you tend to attract a lot of attention if open carrying. Cops get called, etc.

We just got concealed carry in Wisconsin this year, still waiting for the increase in crime our former Governor promised us, so far it hasn't happened. Has it ever occurred to our LEOs that we the citizen fear any cop that fears armed citizens? Especially when some of our local LEOs have made it quite clear the obligations of their union vows talk precedence over any oath of office.

In Michigan, when police run your driver's license thru the computer, they will get an immediate notification that you have a concealed license. Licensees are required to notify police officer immediately on start of interview anyway. But if they run your license plate and driving record before they stop you, they should already know. Few times I have had contact with officer, informing them is almost like a slap in the face, they jump back, and the rest of the interview usually takes on a whole different tone.

Kentucky-- I got stopped in '08 for not wearing a seatbelt. Had 2 rifles in the back of the pickup, and one revolver stuck in the crack between the back and seat. Dog was riding shotgun. The officer looked in the cab, stepped 2 steps back and told me to put my hands on the windshield. He stated " man, this is making me nervous". He wrote out the ticket, and I asked him if he would rather have the revolver where he couldn't see it. No answer. Ellis

(quoted from post at 08:40:48 01/26/12) The Constitution doesn't guarantee the Citizens of the USA the right to drive a vehicle but it does guarantee Citizens the Right to Bear Arms so your drivers license analogy is silly at best.The Government doesn't 'own' any rights to hand out as they please the citizens own the rights and the Gov't can only restict those rights for specific reasons.Convicted felons and the like can have their firearm rights restricted but if anyone is a law abiding citizen they are already guaranteed the right to bear arms.Gov't is going against the Constitution when they restrict the rights of law abiding citizens.

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(quoted from post at 10:17:12 01/26/12)Licensees are required to notify police officer immediately on start of interview anyway.

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Only when carrying your concealed pistol. If you have your CPL and are NOT carrying then you have no legal duty to inform the officer of anything. A police officer can also take "temporary" possession of the firearm during a traffic stop. If the LEO chooses this route make sure you demand multiple times that you do not consent to any searches of your person or property (hopefully that keeps him from running the numbers on your pistol)....

As for open carrying causing panic and what not that is mostly BS. In Michigan there is a group called Michigan Open carry and they have thousands of members who openly carry daily. I myself open carry almost daily and haven't any trouble, heck most people don't even notice.

Still think there should be no permit to do something that is a right given to me in the constitution.

OK, you say the gov. doe's not have the right to restrict me from carring a gun, "bear arms". Then you say the gov. can restrict me if I am a convicted felon. Can you tell me with your resoning how that can work with out some kind of paperwork. Only way I can think of, all felons and the "like" (your words) would have to carry some sort of id stating that. Not trying to be a smart a$$ but I just don't see it as that big of a deal. Here in michigan, if I want a permit all I have to do is ask for it and show that I am capable. Oh ya, and pay the fee. This is michigan. were broke. were gonna pay the fee on everything. Now if I'm the convicted felon, Well thats where the paperwork comes in.

A whole lot of it is about money. I just got mine renewed,cost $91.50 for 5 years. It is issued by the county sheriff. His office gets part and the state police gets part for doing the background check. I've had one for over 10 years and never been asked to produce it. We also have open carry,but you better not get caught with a loaded gun in a vehicle during hunting season. Another whole set of rules takes over.

In Wayne county Ohio once concealed carry passed most all of the stores put little do not carry signs in the windows and or doors. Meaning if you do conceal carry in that store you can get into BIG legal trouble. Plus no Government buildings or schools will let you carry. So in the end that leaves very little places you can carry so I figured why bother getting one.
I don't know if this is the case in other areas or not ?

(quoted from post at 10:56:04 01/26/12)...put little do not carry signs in the windows and or doors.....I don't know if this is the case in other areas or not ?

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Only know of one business "here" that has a no weapons sign on the door, that means only the law breakers will have weapons there to do harm to others. I and many others refuse to go there because of their policy (hit them where it hurts, right in the wallet).

What sort of 'fee' do you pay to exercise your
right to voice your opinion? Its the law's job to PROVE anyone is a felon.Ever heard of Presumed Innocent until PROVEN Guilty?You Yanks knuckle under the the 'authorities' pretty quick for sure.

State trooper stopped me at a road check I had a Mini 14 lying on the passenger seat,he asked me what I was doing with the gun told him "I guess I have my gun the for the same reason you have yours might want to shoot something".He laughed and said I guess you got a point.

I have been stopped twice in Michigan by MSP. First time, I informed the officer that I had a CPL and had the weapon with me, told her it was in the console. She said ok, just leave the weapon in your console. Her partner was at the passenger side talking to my dad.

She pulled me over for a single trailer light out. She asked me to get out of the vehicle and showed me the light she was talking about. No problem, told me to have a nice day and fix the light. Figured they used that as the reason to stop me and run my license, etc. to see if they could find something major or maybe a warrant.

At the end I asked her and her partner thoughts on CPLs in Michigan, her comment "its not the law-abiding citizen that takes the time to get a background check we worry about. All the guys that cause problems, do not have a CPL and couldn't pass a background check"

Not sure all LEO in Michigan have this option, but the ones I know personally do.

Rick

Anyone remember this guy and why he would say something so 'outrageous' ?

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. - Thomas Jefferson

If a cop stops you in Maine and runs your plate number he knows you have a carry permit.Stupid because the permit holders are no threat.Its the same in many states.

You missed the problem,it the home invasions and car jackings that make me carry.

Delta red.We were talking (a few days past)with the DOJ.about the castle doctrine and was delighted with the answers we got back plus an E.Mail from D.O.J. Wisconsin laws states it isn't required when stopped to disclose to the officer that you have a CCP and you are legally armed.The fact that you have a CCP is not attached to your I.D on our Drivers license that you are in fact a CCp person.The officer doesn't knows that when he runs your plate/license etc.Buttttttttt in MHO,it would be a great thing if there was a referendum on the ccp be U.S. wide. All states are in tandem information with each other .Here in Wisc.D.L information is all there is thats required, so if you hold a Wis ,D.L.and you have a CCP it will not show up on a stop made in any state that the license /Plate is run in.The only problem is if you rent,borrow a vehicle from some one,in the states that do provide the information of you having a CCP on record of Drivers License, it will not show up on a rented or borrowed vehicle,so you would have to inform the officer if so required by law in those states if you were stopped by officer.Renting a vehicle from Avis,Rent A Wreck, they may have written in their contract that they do not allow a CCP to be carried in their vehicle.We do not know this as a fact,but worth looking into if you rent a vehicle to travel states wide. It is my opinion,most women and older people should be allowed to have a CCP for their protection ANYWHERE,as they are the most apt to have bad guys attack them as they are percieved helpless or an easy target for ill gotten gains. Regards, LOU & Victor.

Iowa- You have to conduct an interview with the county sheriff. He approves 98+% in my county. He has had people come in intoxicated/high on illegal drugs and others that were wanted to face charges come in. These are only ones he turns down (and sometimes arrests).

heres a link to Conceal Carry map that states have reciprosity.
lick here

Sorry about short tongued people.Should have typed "CLICK" not "LICK". LOL.
LOU

You been lookin at my tater soup aint ya! ...lol

You are so right. Now for the burglars, dope dealers, crackheads, car thieves, car jackers, gang bangers, child molesters and horse thieves....none of them have a permit, but they have guns. Politicians seem to lose there way much to often. Look at Chicago. Crime capital of the midwest. No CCP allowed anywhere in the state.

I stopped many a car with a shotgun on the back seat or a holstered pistol on the passenger's seat. I never had a problem with it. Just told them to step out for a minute if they didn't look or act right. Too much of this
political correctness, anti-gun and everyone is a terrorist stuff going around anymore.

Yep we ran into only 1 store here that didn't allow this(Pic) to come on their property.If every business deny's ccw looks like we gotta leave our protection at home locked in the gun safe, and then there will be no protection (immedinate police protection) when advercity strikes.Now trying to get information through Wi. DOJ and attorney generals office over in Minn,to see if tere is reciprosity from wisc going over ito Minn. Neither one has the answer so far. Colored map is not clear.Any one know?
regards LOU & Victor.

(quoted from post at 08:57:07 01/26/12) Am absolutely astonded at the Sheeple the citizens of the US have turned into.Would you accept restrictions on your freedom of speech as easily as you do restrictions on your guns? Both are guaranteed in the Bill of Rights.Guess you guys think it'll be OK for the Gov't to license your emails and check them before you send them?Wonder how much they'll charge for a Newspaper permit?

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The difference between right to bear arms, and all the other rights you compare it to is, the right to bear arms is not accepted by the popular majority.

You 2nd amendment nuts keep pointing at the eroding right to bear arms and screaming, "What's next?" and making yourself look silly. NOTHING is next. If the government ever got tried to regulate speech like they regulate firearms, nobody would accept that.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people

Wrong! The 4th and 1st Amendments are constantly under attack by Gov't at all levels.

Close, but it should read:

"Guns don't kill people, gaping holes in vital organs kill people."

They found a way find out who owns a gun.

Red, what is it you're complaining about? We now enjoy the most permissive gun laws since the passage of the GCA in '68. The majority of states now have "shall issue" concealed weapons permit laws, a situation that was unthinkable twenty years ago. It is now legal to carry a concealed pistol in national parks. And Colorado was never that restrictive to begin with (outside of Denver). As I recall, it's always been legal to have loaded firearm in your vehicle in Colorado.

May I suggest you bide your time and you may get what you wish? The fact is, any state considering doing away with permits for concealed carry is going to look at what has happened in other states. Unfortunately for proponents of no-permit concealed carry, the state they are going to look at is Arizona. You may recall an incident happened in that state a year ago that didn't do much to help the image of concealed carry. It will take several years of responsible concealed carry in Arizona to overcome the bad press from that one incident.

Exactly.

Aaron

(quoted from post at 16:37:12 01/26/12) Yep we ran into only 1 store here that didn't allow this(Pic) to come on their property.If every business deny's ccw looks like we gotta leave our protection at home locked in the gun safe, and then there will be no protection (immedinate police protection) when advercity strikes.Now trying to get information through Wi. DOJ and attorney generals office over in Minn,to see if tere is reciprosity from wisc going over ito Minn. Neither one has the answer so far. Colored map is not clear.Any one know?
regards LOU & Victor.

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Lou,
how old are you? I find it simply astonishing that you lived this long without the ability to conceal carry in Wisconsin. You should buy a lottery ticket as clearly you are the luckiest SOB alive. That, or maybe you haven't ever actually needed the threat of deadly force.

P.S. If anyone needs clarification on why left leaning, tree hugging Socialists like me fear every Tom, Dick and Harry carrying a weapon read the post and replies below about if it is time for a new job.

have carried every day since i got me cc permit but open carried for years. and now if some one asks me if i have a gun i just look them in the face and ask did you have nnalert last night? it's no ones business.Ruger LCP 380

Ryan,
Your post is so confusing, I'm wondering "what you are smoking/sniffing/shooting. Just because I have an option now to carry concealed, makes me the bad guy? I use to carry without a permit for years, so that make you feel unsafe not knowing then? Try bad cities,ie Indianapolis/Chicago/Minneapolis/New Orleans etc at night in some of the most unsavory parts of town.Do you think you are safe because I follow the law and the robbers,muggers, home invasion,carjackers carry unlawfully, makes me worse or better? I respect your right not to carry,but as for me it's my preference to carry,and not to tell you what to do. If you are in need of help, go to your nearest tree and ask for help, as it will surely be faster than calling the police. Like the man says," I carry a gun,because a cop is too heavy". For you this should be rquired reading. LOU

Why The Gun In Civilization
By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force.

If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force.

It removes force from the equation…and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

Respectfully Submitted by:

Major Alan Lamarche, Former Range Master (Retired)
Pat Thomas Law Enforcement Academy

Eric,
No matter how many times I licked the screen, still tastes like it needs more salt.LOL If you need a true taste tester please send a sample. I kept trying to dip into your pot of soup, but all I could get was a broken screen, you now owe me 1 new large LED screen for a replacement ASAP. LOL.
Regards, LOU

(quoted from post at 16:37:12 01/26/12) Yep we ran into only 1 store here that didn't allow this(Pic) to come on their property.If every business deny's ccw looks like we gotta leave our protection at home locked in the gun safe, and then there will be no protection (immedinate police protection) when advercity strikes.Now trying to get information through Wi. DOJ and attorney generals office over in Minn,to see if tere is reciprosity from wisc going over ito Minn. Neither one has the answer so far. Colored map is not clear.Any one know?
regards LOU & Victor.

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Lou, I dont know the answer off hand but I remember reading about it some time ago on the open carry forums. From what I remember, WI wont be able to tell you anything because the state does nothing for the others states other than confirm what training and checks are done in this state in order to get a permit. Its all up to the other states to decide if WI has training that they will accept. In other words, its a waste of time to ask WI if a WI permit is good in another state like MN.

You might want to do some reading over at the open carry site, some folks are really up on the details and may be able to tell you the answers rather than trying to get a straight up answer from anybody in the DOJ. http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?133-Wisconsin

BTW, that Walther sure is one pretty gun.

RICH_ WI, Thanks for great reply, my son called over to Mn. around 2:00 pm and was supposed to have his call returned today,but no answer from MN DOJ. If i was instead of being 70+ as I was asked of my age, playing in the jazz clubs in the seedy end of towns, I would still consider carrying illegally, as I have done in the past. One of the many reasons we moved up here, but still the bad people actions follow up here, just a little slower, but still showing up. Although I weigh 270Lbs, age has slowed me down and taken away my speed for left jab and right cross.LOL So an equalizer is pertainent.
Thanks for the nice statement about my PPK/s, just installed the new grips today, as they arrive in todays mail. Warmest regards,
LOU

Lou,
My post was not intended to tell you what to do. Concealed carry is now legal in Wisconsin. Carry if you want.

The purpose of my post was to imply that it is not necessary. Are there places in the world that carrying a firearm on you for protection is necessary? Probably. Are any of those places in Northwest WI? Probably not. Are any of those places places that you visit often? Only you know the answer to that question.

My whole point is that the argument that carrying a weapon is necessary because there are bad people out there who do not respect the law is hollow. I equate it a lot to the reasoning behind Wisconsin's recently passed voter ID law which was done to prevent voter fraud. The only problem is that voter fraud was such a small issue here that it is almost a solution in search of a problem. I view concealed carry the same way for most people. Spooner just doesn't seem that dangerous.

Your post was meant to question my right to carry, just because I do it lawfully removes my guilty feelings for carrying a weapon without a permit.Our town has had quite a few murders (unsolved), breakins, almost weekly,and various other crimes such as dope peddling,etc that is becoming more and more prevalant every week. The murder of our local theater owner was never solved, along with the knifing of a bar owner down the street. Spooner is not without crime or as pure as the driven snow. It's here. When the rock concert was in Stone lake, the crime rate skyrocketed overnight.Granted it's not a daily occurance,but it does happen more often as not. Since I live here, I know about what goes on,even 13 miles out of Spooner,back in the boonies,where home invasions occur unabated. My daughters door tried to get kicked in,broke the casing,but didn't make entry, the steel insert held the door from breaking. This was right nexxt door to us, didn't hear anything. Window screens were cut trying to make entry, we solved that problem too. So just cause you think you know our town and it's crime rate,just don't think it's not Eden here. If I have anything to do with it, home invasions won't be tolerated at my residence.
LOU

I like our system up here in Alaska, you no longer need a permit if you are not a felon, but you can still obtain one if you wish to obtain reciprocity with other states. Carrying concealed has also always been legal in the outdoors here, to protect the weapon from the elements.

As for the doubters of carrying a gun, if you need it and don`t have it, it really stinks, if you have it and don`t need it, not a real big deal.

First time I came up to Maine in the mid 50s I saw boys come out of a one room school house with Winchester 94s dressed in red plaid .Deer hunting is way down here.