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We started early Saturday morning and finished just when the snow showers hit us. 50 Tons up over the hill to our ridge hay field....all came back in one piece with nothing torn up, so it was a good day.
This is the first time I have attempted doing this, been putting it off for one thing or another, but really think it was worth the wait. The last time it was done by truck earlier in the fall about 12 years ago.
These pics were taken about the 7th trip up over the hill....we started out with small loads of about 2 tons and worked our way up to 4 tons on a load after the mud got stirred up enough to give us some traction and stay off the tires. There is nothing in USA like Ohio clay mud!!

Enjoy the pics guys.
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That man driving the tow tractor is the luckiest man on earth. Good thing it was muddy because if he had just a little better traction, he would be upside down. Get that strap off the bale spear that is up in the air off there and onto the drawbar.
Also the longer strap you use the more stored energy is in there. If it parts someone on one end is looking at a 10 pound missle clevis, headed their way.
I'd suggest you fire the foreman that set this event in motion.
 
Gordo,

The difference between you and I, we are the people who "get it done" while cityiots set around and think up all the ways it can't be done!!
That "lucky" guy doing the towing, is my son Alex, and he has more experience that you ever hoped too on doing something like this. Besides it has nothing at all to do with luck! Again. We are making it happen, you just watch!!

Like someone else said this is not for "city folks"!

Like we have never used this setup hauling manure and logging in the woods?? Since you can't see how its hooked to my tractor I guess you don't know what you are talking about!!
 
Steep hill, muddy trail and the large drop off make my rump pucker and makes me thankful for living where the ground is flat. Beautiful place though! What part of Ohiahh are 'ya?
 
Can't be mud now, you needed this freeze we're finally getting, from mud to good traction, overnight. We have the same kinds of hills here, the spray outfit driver calls it goat country, conditions are just right now, get in the woods for some logs, spread manure, I'm just wondering when the first real snow hits, Dec 27th last year, at least the ground is frozen, no snow cover, need a week of deep freeze to knock off some of those insects, mosquitos and company were the worst I can remember, still seeing them in my basement.
 
Noble County Ohio, deer hunters paradise!

well I grew up running manure up these hills behind a 2010 back in the 60's.....so the pucker factor has long gone....now its just the nerves, waiting on the weather to get right.

We were hoping for a freeze over night but didn't happen due to the cloud cover. Last weekend we were frozen solid....and thats a whole new mess on these hills.....beter be chained up good.
 
Just curious about the price of buying and spreading the lime. Here it cost $49 dollars a ton spread. Haven't priced buying it bulk and then getting it spread.
 

Sounds a little like the guy who THOUGHT a Motorcycle couldn't teach him ANYTHING he had not seen before..

I do hope regret does not change your mind..

Ron..
 
Marv,

Haven't got the bill for the trucking on the lime but it is somewhere right at 20.00 a ton dumped and it cost us 2.00 a ton on the spreader rental. Plus costs associated with getting it on the field....somewhere around 25.00 to 27.00 a ton when its said and done....my time is free this time of year, lol.
 
Gordo is right. Much, much safer to hook tow strap with a clevis in the drawbar...almost impossible to upset the towing tractor that way. It has to be hooked BELOW the height of the axle. I don't have a son but my daughter helps me with such as this and I'd be damned if I put her at risk doing hooking up your way. And as for the clevis "missle," I know a guy in Coshocton County who almost lost his eye when a tow line broke trying to pull a log out of the creek. Gordo's right on this, too. The longer it is, the more it can stretch and the less predictable it"s flight path is. Please do it safely OR put someone you don"t love on the front tractor!
 
Ron,

Same thing goes for driving on our highways doesn't it?? or for that matter anything else we do these days.

It's a matter of knowing what to do when a surprise situation occurs, and being ready to make that move. That's why we have clutches with a foot ready and also one hand on the three point lift.....BTDT....besides it was muddy and traction was limited.....with practice we know what to expect and are ready when it happens...

Using that tow strap is a bunch safer than a log chain.

Any more safety Nazi's out there?? I knew I was gonna get this flak when I posted them pics.....but that's ok I like a challenge and drama! If I didn't, can you imagine the Lime Truck driver doing this job??
 
Tom,

If we were to do "it safely" who would be doing it then?? Its not safe up there on them hills this time of year....its not safe to step outside and get into your missle doing 70 mph on the highway.....what is safe?? I know the reason we can't get anything built in this country any more...your reasons are a prime example!!

How the hell do you think we get 8 round bales at a time off that hill and down to the barn?? That's not safe either....guess I better sell the farm and move to the city where it's safer......YA RIGHT, BS!
 
Don"t let thees idiots get to you...
Thats some beautiful country you have,,,,I would love to see it some time,,,And just keep the picks coming...
 
Well, fellow "safety nazi" posters, I guess we need to give up on this guy. When he finally does graduate from the school of hard knocks (& upset tractors), he"ll be far wiser. Let"s just hope he doesn"t lose his son as part of his coursework! That would really screw up his Christmas.
 
Nice pics and you got the job done but that is an accident waiting to happen hooking up high on the 3 pt. Your bale spear "may" prevent a rear roll over but when pulling around a corner as in the one photo, you can see that you are hooked above the center of gravity and could tip the front tractor on its side or upside down if things went wrong. I don't care if you have done it this way a thousand times and your front driver has decades of experience, when something bad happens, and it will someday, it will happen so fast neither of you will have time to correct it. It's kind of like grabbing a stalk of corn and putting one end in the cornhead.....your arm will be in the snap rolls before your brain tells your hand to let go. Not a good way to learn a lesson!
 
Please tell me that bucket is full of sand or rock.
And while you're so busy "gettin it done" those outbuildings look like they haven't been painted or cared for in 50 years. Looks more like Tennesee than Ohio to me.
 
Great job, looks like you had a good day. Don't let these guys on here bother you. Most of them have negative responses even if they would have done it themselves.
 
Thank you 4010 guy, we are the people that get things done!!
I am 61 years old, and it amazes me the number of times I see stuff posted and someone has to come on and start picking all the safety sh?? out.
I grew up farming with Dad, he ran a Cockshutt 30 on these hills and I used the 2010 JD....we never had anything more than a minor fender bender all those years. It put me in way more dangerous situations than I can remember.....we always got the job done as I am sure many people did back in the old days.
I am not too hard headed to learn, and understand center of gravity, upsets, flips and roll overs....we never had any. Oh the stuff I used to do in the winter time with snow on the ground....that 2010 was my hot rod, lol. I even put my model car stickers on it that said, "Peeler IV, have flag will drag"....
 
LMAO!!

Glad to see you are paying attention, lol!

This place belonged to my grandpa and grandma, and you are right about those old buildings....hell they aren't safe either....but still do what I want them too and that's all that matters....someday the old "outkitchen" will be removed.

Meanwhile we keep plugging away making do with what we have in hopes that in the end we have some fond memories! Like when my son played with his Tonka toys under that old out kitchen in the dirt, making roads and such....
 
JD Farmer give them A$$holes he!!. If we had people like todays a hundred years ago we would not have electric in any of the houses after the first one burnt down after a short.

As for hooking to the three point attachments: I have done it for over forty years and never have had any problems. The guys flipping tractors over are mostly the old Fords and Fergusons hooked to something a bulldozer would not move and then popping the clutch.

Like the pictures. I have relatives living in Brown county Ohio. The clay is a PIA when it is wet. Which would be this entire year. Last I heard they where setting record rain fall yearly totals.

Have had a clevis break and throw a tow rope through both the front and back windows on a JD 4450 tractor. I will not use a tow rope or strap. I now have cables or long chains to tow with.
 

I work some pretty hilly ground here in NH. I have to go on some slopes when there are plenty of people who will say never go on a slope. So I have to say that they are not being realistic. In this situation, at the risk of sounding like a safety Nazi, I have to say that when setting out to do a job that you know has some risk to it that you set out to do it as safely as possible. I would say that pulling from below the axle height is one of the most basic safety rules and that it is also one that is very easy to observe.
 
JD nice pictures. I live in wi. along the Mississippi and we have hill that are steep. As long as you use some common sense you will get by OK. Some of the fields that we farm here are really steep and you never here of people getting killed every day. A lot of people on these forms are flatlanders or city people and have not been taught how to drive a tractor in these hills. I would probely be a hazzard on the flat land farms because there would be nothing to keep me awake and I would fall asleep.

Bob
 
I know what you are doing and why. I have done this many times in my 40 years of farming. Only difference is I used chains instead of the stap. I do feel that a chain will not fly as high as a rope. You need expierance to do this. I always had my hand on the 3 point lever when pulling this way. I got a lot of traction this way and if the front got light I just ease down a little on the 3 point and keep going. I pulled many a load of grain on wagons that went down at the and of my field. When the drawbar wouldn't pull them I did them this way. You do need to watch what you are doing. Staps or ropes work if you don't pull so hard as to break them.
 
There appears to be a red ring in the 8th picture, what is that?or is it just something wrong with my phone?? NY clay isent much better!
 
Bingo.

I've done similar things many times without incident. It does require attention and common sense, of course.

Dean
 
The same reason that causes N series and Ferguson's to roll over applies to ANY tractor. It's not only from popping the clutch. Instead of the poster getting bent out of shape he should accept that his towing set up could very easily have gone bad. All he had to do was lower the bale spear so it's only a few inches off the ground or better yet hook on the drawbar. I've pulled stuff from 3pt. implements too but always kept the implement just off the ground. Usually it was a rear blade or the box scraper that would help prevent the tractor going over backwards. That bale spear up high like that would have the tractor flipped over before the driver could even react. Ya, people do do things without thinking all the time but it's a lot better giving them a heads up that hearing about their funeral.
 
BS....read the posts before ya go saying stupid things.....like we/I don't know what we are doing?? Having the hitch point that high is for traction in these less than ideal muddy conditions.
The front tractor is only helping me thru the tough spots, and is never even close to spinning the tires....besides we are not standing still from a dead stop....things don't happen like you say so that only tells me YOU have never done anything like this before.....
You sure's hell aint from the farm, or been around any steep hills like we are.
Just proves to me there are lots of idiots making the "rules" in this country, and not a damn one of them have any hands on experience.
 
I loved the pictures. Please put the rest of that roll over bar back on and if you ever do towing like this again make a guard from expanded metal on the ROPS to keep your son from loosing his head when the strap breaks. Or anyone else.

There, I should be the last safety nazi for the day.
 
Thoes hills arent as steep as a lot of hills here in WV and VA.Weve bushhog with 150 HP IH tractors that would come up in the front the whole distance of the fields.The 4440 Jd wasnt heavy enought to hold the hills,unless the fuel tanks were full.It was a 3000 acre horse farm that was keep like a well groomed yard.Never had a tractor accident while the farm was in operation,but the same people did this on a daily basis

jimmy
 
With the weight of a loader hanging on the front of the first tractor it's going to be pretty hard to bring the front end up by pulling down on the three point. Maybe if it had perfect traction there might be a little air under the fronts but it won't be much. Jim
 
I'm not a safety nazi.
I might have done this or that different but you got it done.
Gordo mentioned it but maybe I missed your response. I assume you came up hill with the first tractor with a bucket full of lime?
Since you're going up anyway...
Dump it in the spreader when it's close to empty?
Bucket full would have made quick work of anyone saying you could have flipped that tractor too.
That is how they flipped those Ford Ns though and gave them a bad name. With the 3 pt drawbar up.
Beautiful country there.
Makes me miss it somehow - though i've never lived in that kind of country before. Monster Buck country for sure.
Great photos. I always like the photos. Thanks
Consider Photobucket for your pics though. These stored at YT took forever to load tonight.
 
In Ireland we would not even call that steep! If we were to leave the hills for grazing only then we would have no winter forage!. Back 20 years we had all 2 wheel drive tractors and had to do the same as you to get crops harvested never mind just getting to the fields,nowadays we all use front wheel assist tractors and it is much safer. Farm on the way you know how to do it and as you say keep one foot on the clutch! I once posted a pic of myself ploughing and riding with my foot resting on the clutch and got a lot of flack for it, but what they did not know was I was ploughing an old flood plain full of old buried oak and no breakaway on the plough. We all had to plough riding the clutch for safety's sake.Point is everyone knows their own situation! Keep up the good work....Sam
 
Next you're going to say that there have never been serious accidents/deaths on farms from the most innocent looking jobs. The fact of the matter is that pulling from the tractor or 3pt. linkage when it's higher than the axle can cause the tractor to rear over backwards. Even tractors used for pulling will have the front wheels come up when pulling from the drawbar. You can't change the laws of physics and it makes no difference if it's from a standing start or moving. If the pulling tractor needed more traction and grabbed, it wouldn't need to spin to pull the tractor over. Half a dozen or so posters mention a potential dangerous situation and then get called out because they're offering good sound advice? Come on! Most good advice comes from experience.
 
"Next you're going to say that there have never been serious accidents/deaths on farms from the most innocent looking jobs"

Nope not saying that at all....just that in those cases the operators had no clue....and there are alot of those out there, that's who you are talking too, right??
 
Well, I never thought about taking a load in the bucket to the top of the hill BECAUSE.....

That little 4520 has a self leveling loader built for the citidiots....and the bucket can't be tilted back far enough to prevent spreading lime all the way to the top of the hill each trip. I would never ever purchase another self leveling loader because of that. What a PITA to use.
Nothing like loading the bucket then dumping half of it back out on the ground when raising it to dump into the spreader or what ever you are loading.
 
I don't know exactly ware you are but them ain't steep hills! As a 10 year old I plowed steeper ground than that with a AC WD nf and 3 mounted bottom plow and only had one time I ever had any pucker factor and it was my own fault! If your smart you learn fast if not well...... I really like your place it makes me think of my granddads place when I was a kid. I never worried about them safety nuts, They never worked a good day in there lives! When something happens you correct the problem and go on, Them safety nuts got to get there procedure book out and do it by the book! Bull crap! Use some common sense and get on with it. As for your daughter, I know many farm galls that can out work many a man, And can handle a tractor with the best of them! I have a higher respect for ladies like them. Bandit
 

I understand and with the loader, you had the advantages of enough front weight..
It bothers me to think that someone not well initiated will try to hook at the high-point (upper link position)...
I was fresh-back from VietNam when and on our Volunteer Fire Dept on an emergency run to a neighboring farm for a tractor accident..
The young man had got stuck with the feed-grinding truck..broke thru the frozen gravel and tried to use his Grandad's Ford 4000 to pull it out..
You could see that he had hooked several times and dug in...until he had the bright idea to hook the chain to the upper link position...
He was still sitting in the seat--feet still on the foot pedals--upside-down, with the steering wheel and hood crushing his skull..
I was the only one there able to stomach the sight and when they lifted the tractor, I pulled him out from under it...
Not a pretty sight..
That is why I made the comment...I did try not to be critical..only gave an observation from over the fence...!
Sorry if I caused any Hate and Dis-content...!!

Ron..
 
Did anybody notice that the JD cab tractor pulling the spreader has tire chains on it? I would think that the tow tractor was only helping when needed, no way would that little JD pull that cab tractor and 4 tons of lime up those hills, and at least the loader weight would help keep in on the ground. Don't know if I'd pull from the implement thought. I dident like pulling my farmall h w/ manure spreader on it out of the barn with my ford 4610 with the brushhog on it, I hooked the chain to brushhog arms than to farm all, (was to lazy to unhook hog)was flat ground and we only went fast enough to pop start the h, lol
 
4520? That's funny cause when I saw the photos, I was going to ask you what you thought of that new little guy. 4520?

I've got a '70 4520, and its a 4520. Now, I'm not making fun of your 4520 by a long shot, really I'm not, but I have to share a story with you. First, the Deere guy would love nothing more than for me to trade in my 100+ HP, all paid for, no enclosed cab, no ROPs, old reliable 4520. Yes, a 540 PTO on it would be nice from time to time instead of full time 1,000, but I've got other tractors with 540's on them, and a Massey thats 540/1000. But, my 4520 does just fine. Now here's where it gets funny. I've got a littler Deere too, an '80 950 that I bought from a friend going through a divorce at the time, and paid $6,000 at the time, and that was WAY TOO MUCH, but he was a friend and needed the money. I didn't need that little 950, but have it, and its got a loader too. So one day I drive my little 950 up to the Deere guy about this time of year, except its below 0 out, wind is about 30 or 50 MPH, it aint got no cab, no ROPs, nothing and it was about a 5 mile drive. When I got to the Deere guy to drop it off for new rears, I was about frozen to death. He sees me wheel up and right away tries talking me into trading that "beast", he called it, on one of th 4520's out on the lot with enclosed cabs and stuff. I guess I could have a Hiniker on my 4520, but they get too hot and are noisy, and would cost me money. So I take a look out his window as me and my eyeballs were thawing out, and I see a whole bunch of new smaller tractors, compacts, but I don't see a 4520, because I have one and know what one is, and there wasn't one out there, certainly not with a Hiniker on it...and told them that. Then they pointed at about two or three new 4520s like yours, and all had enclosed cabs, and as I recall, they tipped the scales in the mid-$30,000 range, I think they were going for, and about half the size and weight of my 4520. They may have cost even more but I don't remember from six or so years ago. Whatever it was, they were about the same sized as my old 950 that was paid for, way over paid for, and it was ok other than needed new rears, and thats why I was dropping it off. I didn't buy a new 4520 because was too expensive, and I'm 6'2" tall, weigh about 300lbs. I don't think I could have gotten into the cab on it.

Looks like your 4520's a nice tractor, but they sure are or were expensive. Probably don't leak or nothing, but I just don't see me buying nothing new again, I don't suppose. Not one of my tractors has a cab, ROPs, seatbelts, and some don't even have lights. Use yours in good health.

Mark
 
> the bucket can't be tilted back far enough to prevent spreading lime all the way to the top of the hill each trip. I would never ever purchase another self leveling loader because of that.

For what it's worth, I have a JD 260 self-leveling loader and it doesn't have that problem.

I see the safety police are going after you pretty hard in this thread, but what you were doing doesn't seem very dangerous to me, Probably because I have even steeper and slimier roads than you do :)
 
Looks good to me, I had to chase back here after seeing the other thread. Off to the right of the road in the next to last picture is what most of our dedicated pasture ground looks like, only with smaller rocks, lol. Some of that stuff I get nervous mowing with the batwing. But, I will say the only roll over I ever had was on dead level flat ground next to a creek. Creek bank undercut in the winter and I sent a 2090 Case all the way over. One heck of a ride and one I dont care to repeat...
 
Got done. That's the main thing. I'd probably have loaded the old Stoltz right up with about 6 ton... but then I'm also using a 4WD with a bit more weight that yours. Those old spreaders can give ya a bad ride sometimes when they get half empty and start taking weight off the hitch.

Rod
 
Thanks Mark,

Well guess I should say that one day my son came home from work and told me that he was buying a tractor....ahummm....well ok....told me all about this used 4520 and I knew the difference in them...long story short he bought it and we farm together...so its his and I use it here all the time, even feed the round bales with it over winter.
I will say its a handy little tractor, but I absolutley hate the yuppie/rev it up/no torque/won't run right until its warm/modern day pile-o-junk that it is.
We have over 1000 hrs on it now and I am surprised its held up to what we have put it through....fuel is turned up on it too....and it will surprise ya what it can pull...but give me a real tractor any day.
Lets see now, how would them old 4520's do loading manure out of a bank barn stable??...
 
Oh, the old 4520 wouldn't fit in any stall. Its big and clumbsy for things like that. But, it has its use. Don't be calling the son's tractor junk though. Least not in front of him. You have a point about them little guys having their place. My little 950 fits in tight spots too. And is a great fencer. I saw your rail fence in your colvert pictures. Looks like mine...four rails, lowest about 8" from the ground, and mine needs painting too, but not for looks, but for rot prevention when I get around to it. And my posts are used railroad ties, and thats where that little 950 makes a great fencer. PTO driven auger on the rear punching holes, loader on the front lifting and dropping fence posts in the ground. It has its use. But, my 950 is about 25 HP, I don't see it lifting round bails. Tips the scales at about 3,000 lbs, but that Yanmar is about 25 HP, and that won't lift too heavy of stuff with the Cat 1 three point.

Something else nice about your sons 4520, that MFWD front end that I saw your daughter using to lift buckets of dirt. The front end now sags some on my 950 two wheel drive doing the same. Front end on that little AG wasn't made for that, and it caught up. Put it on the list of things to fix, I guess.

Anyway, JD, much good luck, much great health, and Merry Christmas and Happy New year to you and the family.

Mark
 
Number 5 would concern me, the front wheels are above the horizontal and the strap is too high for my liking,but it's your farm.
 
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