Any Black powder hunters here. O/T

old · Dec 10, 2011

Well next week end is Black powder/muzzle loader deer season here in Missouri.
So the question. I have 2 black powder guns. #1 is a 50 cal rifle cap lock I think you would call it and I have a Navy colt 45cal pistol. So what powder do you use in both. I have both a pound of FFG and and a pound of FFFG powder. Can I use either one in both or do I use one in each. The FFFG has never been open so I am thinking I have been using the FFG in both but it has been a year or more since I have used either one. I do know I use 90 grains in the 50cal and 25 grain is the 45 navy colt.
Thanks

Roy Ward · Dec 10, 2011

Yes our extended special season in Texas opens after Xmas for two weeks. FFFg is to course for the pistol. I use that other powder right now off hand I can't think of the name. It is a lot safer than any FFFg or FFG.

Roy Ward · Dec 10, 2011

Prodex I believe is the right spelling

Butch LeBlanc · Dec 10, 2011

It"s been awhile since I hunted with black powder. I also used a .50 CAL. CVA rifle with 90 grains of FFFg powder. I also have a .44Cal pistol and I believe I used 30 grains of FFFG in that.I do believe that FFg will work just as well in the rifle but I would stick with FFFg in the pistol.By the way, that .50 CAL has done right by me, very acurate. They can have there Inlines and Pellets for powder, I"ll stick with mine. Good luck Hunting. Butch

TomH in PA · Dec 10, 2011

More F=faster burning. So FFG is for long barrel, FFFG for short.

FFG in the pistol won't hurt but probably won't burn completely either.

old · Dec 10, 2011

I have seen the Prodex and have worked with it with an in line but for what I have been told to stay away from the Prodex pellets

1970-1655 · Dec 10, 2011

I use a custom built 54 cal. with a slow twist barrel using round balls. When I built it, I tried the black powders and the Pyrodex. Pyrodex is cleaner burning. With this gun, I am using 120 grains, which seems like a lot but it patterns very nice and I have taken deer out to 150 yards with it. (last day of season)

Butch LeBlanc · Dec 10, 2011

Roy, I think FFFg works very well for the pistol. Also, FFFFg would also work,I believe that is used to prime the flash pan in a Flintlock but either or would work fine. I stay with the FFFg for both the rifle and pistol, it saves a lot of confusion. Just another opinion.Butch

Roy Ward · Dec 10, 2011

In our county they just last year opened the extended black powder season last year. I love it, killed two deer sofar with my Thompson 50. Problem is it's a minute or so before you can see if you got him.

Keith Williams · Dec 10, 2011

Old,
FF is for the rifle, FFF is for the Pistol.

In Ohio the M/L season is Jan 8-11. I killed 2 last year with M/L. Picture is one I shot 300 grain 45 cal sabot slug over 100 gr 777. Hit him from behind rib cage up through lungs through neck and out his eye. Went down and just quivered a bit.
I'll never make a shot like that one again!!!!
Keith

Walt in Jaxn Tn. · Dec 10, 2011

It's spelled "Pyrodex" and the bottle I have (which I bought 30 years ago)say's "Hodgdon Powder Co." Shawnee Mission Kansas. I've got a 45 cal. flntlock and use a discarded eyedrop bottle to charge the pan with FFFFG and load the barrel with FFG. I don't deer hunt with the flintlock as it is to contrary. I just got it as a kit and had fun building it. I also have a 12 guage magnum double barrel which I have used in the past to quail hunt and, toyed with the idea of shooting a slug out of one of the barrels which is not choked. What calibur is a 12 guage?

BillinCentralMO · Dec 10, 2011

Those pyrodex pellets are state of the art but you can't use them in the older prepellet rifles. I still use the cap and ball. If it rains or snows sometimes my gun does not fire.

Ivan in Mich · Dec 10, 2011

I use the pellets in my inline but in my 50 cal renagde I use 90 grains of FFG. Our season opened Friday and my neighbors are up here this weekend with his 12 year old son. His son called just after dark floating on cloud 9 and wanted me to come and see his first deer. It was an 8 point and his grin was as wide as the horns on the deer.

JOCCO · Dec 11, 2011

Old i just cant get into it, nor can i archery, just prefer my rifle. Really wish they would ban these newer muzzle loaders. No scopes no inlines etc, I just don't get it with all that.

bill mart · Dec 11, 2011

diameter is .729. 73 caliber? Bill

RGMartin · Dec 11, 2011

(quoted from post at 09:41:37 12/11/11) diameter is .729. 73 caliber? Bill

.729 and .735" balls are commonly used in "Brown Bess" muskets of the mid 1700s to early 1800s.

3F is fine in a rifle just use a little less.

I hunt with a Flintlock I built myself , 45 cal, 40" barrel. I use 70 grains of 3F under a .445" patched round ball.

old popper · Dec 11, 2011

I was told that "side by side" doubles don't work well for slugs. Seems that they shoot kind of pigeon toed, and the slugs from the two barrels would cross paths in an X pattern at some point ahead. I never used my side by side for that reason.

kathleen kanzler · Dec 11, 2011

I have a .50 black powder CVA no end plug because it is not new and an in-line. My problem and maybe some one has a solution I was cleaning the bore with a metak brisle brush (either coper or bronze brisles) It stucj in the barrel. I put the gun in a vise and pulled the brush came apart but just the thread part everything else stayed in the bore. I am sooking for suggerstions on how to get the brush out Thanks in advance

kathleen kanzler · Dec 11, 2011

I have a .50 black powder CVA no end plug because it is not new and an in-line. My problem and maybe some one has a solution I was cleaning the bore with a metak brisle brush (either coper or bronze brisles) It stucj in the barrel. I put the gun in a vise and pulled the brush came apart but just the thread part everything else stayed in the bore. I am sooking for suggerstions on how to get the brush out Thanks in advance

old · Dec 11, 2011

When I bow hunt I use a cross bow due to my problems and it does real good up to about 50 yards which is also pretty much all any bow will handle well. Shoot a 9 point buck this year the first time I went out with the bow by my self that is. I did have the bow with me when I took my nephew out on youth opener

Dell (WA) · Dec 11, 2011

kathleen.........uh? how long is the barrel??? Didja know you can gitt BRASS welding rod 36" long? Comes in several diameters, 3/32" would probably be good. I think 1/16" would be too soft. NOW bend a kinda corkscrew hook in the end so you can kinda jamb-thread it into yer stuck cleaning brush and twist and pull. BRASS won't damage yer musket bore. HTH..........Dell

GordoSD · Dec 11, 2011

You can't use em in SD

GordoSD · Dec 11, 2011

I built a TC Hawken when they first came out. It's a .54 and I load plain round ball over 110 grains of the powder Jim Shockey touts. The American Pioneer Powder. Lot less smoke. Our MZ season opened on 1 dec and runs until 15 Jan.

RGMartin · Dec 11, 2011

(quoted from post at 12:40:39 12/11/11) I have a .50 black powder CVA no end plug because it is not new and an in-line. My problem and maybe some one has a solution I was cleaning the bore with a metak brisle brush (either coper or bronze brisles) It stucj in the barrel. I put the gun in a vise and pulled the brush came apart but just the thread part everything else stayed in the bore. I am sooking for suggerstions on how to get the brush out Thanks in advance

I have never seen a ML of any sort that didn't have a removable breech.

probably have to remove the barrel from the stock to see, generally not real tight, barrel in a vise, and an appropriate wrench on the tang/plug.

James Williams · Dec 11, 2011

I have a 50 cal CVA and mine has a breech plug in it,My plug got so tight I had to take it to a gunsmith

jimmy

teddy52food · Dec 11, 2011

I have a couple CVA's that don't have a removeable plug. Owners manuel says not to try to remove them.

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