OT Horse Slaughter Question

Straw Boss · Dec 1, 2011

Congress is busying themselves with important matters such as making it legal again to slaughter horses for human consumption.

What is the law on this now?? Can no one slaughter a horse for meat? Or is it only that a slaughterhouse is not allowed to slaughter a horse for meat?

Can a slaughterhouse slaughter a horse if it goes for dog food or some other by-product?

If a horse can't go to a slaughter house than where do old or sickly horses go to get knocked in the head? I can't think all these hobby horse people are buring dead horses under their bedroom window in the backyard.

wisbaker · Dec 1, 2011

A lot of them end up at rendering plants, in some areas they have dead stock removal services, they come out to your place and pick up the dead animal, at the plant they may skin it or butcher it for non-human consumption or grind it up and cook it down. The plant manager I worked with in Florida claimed one night a guy rode the horse in , pulled the saddle off and then shot the horse. Other places you call a back hoe and dig a big hole to bury it. Or they ship them to Canada where they can be slaughterd for human consumption if they are still alive.

Tx Jim · Dec 1, 2011

Today horses are also shipped to Mexico for slaughter for human consumption. Our DUMB politicians outlawed killing horses for human consumption which drove the price of horses down. Horse slaughter plants are going to be reopened in the USA.http://newsok.com/u.s.-horse-slaughter-plants-in-the-very-early-stages-of-planning-proponent-says/article/3626718

PeterE · Dec 1, 2011

There are no currently-operating horse slaughterhouses in the US. The last one closed in 2007.

There is no federal law against them right now, but a five-year ban on USDA inspections is about to expire.

As wisbaker noted, many are shipped to Canada or Mexico. Or they are simply left. Neglect cases are up 60% since slaughter stopped.

rrlund · Dec 1, 2011

This is the biggest non story to come along in years. Have the gas bags on talk radio come out against it now too,spreading lies about it?

It's always been legal. But 5 years ago,thanks to the left wing Hollywood activists,Congress eliminated funding for Federal Inspection at horse slaughter houses. The result has been,more suffering of horses by owners who can't afford to feed them or get vet care,much less to have them humanely euthanized. So,they've been turning them loose on public lands to fend for themselves. The only thing this bill does is take us back to where we were 5 years ago before the likes of Limbaugh and his but buddies at HSUS stuck their noses into it.
So what do we get from the media,speculation that it'll be mixed in to hamburger to lower the cost.
The whole overblown,blatantly misreported story makes me sick. Just more of the CONSTANT lies by omission by both the media and the radio wack jobs.

Straw Boss · Dec 1, 2011

Umm...Haven't heard anyone going off the deep end about anything. Just heard they were going to make it legal to have horse meat for human consumption again. I learned from you folks here on YT that there was a ban on horses at slaughterhouses so it got me to wondering where all these horses go to die if you don't want one teats up in your back yard. Never saw a live horse on a rendering truck.

jackinok · Dec 1, 2011

a few years ago ago a guy could make a little money going around sale barns and buying horses for slaughter,standing joke was any horse was worth 30 cents a pound. And this was a outlet for older or unwanted horses. and it also helped to sort of prop the prices of old horses up. Thats why all of the sudden theres a huge problem with mistreated or abandoned horses. Ive seen LOTS of live horses go to the rendering plant. Used to be a common destination for those wild horses rounded up out west. what ones were not fat enough or too old for slaughter, or werent adopted,almost always wound up there. OKC stockyards took in hundreds. I always took my vacation when those horses started showing up because their screams as they were roped and dropped into the grinder while still alive made me sick !they were supposed to be euthanised first of course. But some of them wouldnt be quite gone occasionally. Still gives me the willies.

Larry NEIL · Dec 1, 2011

I sure hope they open them up again. That stupid law ruined the horse business in the US and created an enviromenmt for a ton of mistreated animals.
Friend of mine runs a 50+ horse stable. You won't board your horse with him uinless you pay 3 months rent in advance. Had too many a$$e$ use fake names who didn't want or couldn't afford their horses stick him.

rrlund · Dec 1, 2011

It's just that the A-holes on the local news last night were making a huge deal out of it. Had no-nothings on Facebook posting things that they were reading til I was ready to vomit over the lies and rumors that they seemed to be purposely trying to start. Didn't mean to get in anybodys crap,but seems like every day it's some other food scare scandal that those nut jobs are trying to fan the flames on.

Fergienewbee · Dec 1, 2011

Does anyone remember if they sold horse meat in the Detroit area under the Carter administration when inflation was so high? Could be a coincidence under the current administration.

Larry

Straw Boss · Dec 1, 2011

Boy I hear ya. I first heard a blip about it on the news this morning. Just the fact of it being debated, no commentary or opinions. I figured the hysteria and lies from the animal worshipers was yet to come but I haven't heard anything yet. Maybe they haven't heard about it yet as they're curled up in their sleeping bags on Wall Street.

Ultradog MN · Dec 1, 2011

I'm just wondering what Rush Limbugh has to do with this?
Are you saying he supports the ban on horse slaughter. Are you saying he is in cahoots with HSUS (Humane Society of United States) and the PETA types and the horse huggers on this issue?

Anonymous-0 · Dec 1, 2011

(quoted from post at 16:06:23 12/01/11) Boy I hear ya. I first heard a blip about it on the news this morning. Just the fact of it being debated, no commentary or opinions. I figured the hysteria and lies from the animal worshipers was yet to come but I haven't heard anything yet. Maybe they haven't heard about it yet as they're curled up in their sleeping bags on Wall Street.

Not so much a matterof animal worshipers... You can bet your sweetass that for every one worshiper, there'll be 3 idiots taking advantage of a new found source of money... Stealing and cruelty will be the norm.... crooked processors won't care about ownership........ You'll turn loose every idiot like the nutcase from SF that wants to go out target practicing on horses and burros then be able to haulem in and get some beer money out of them.... I'm all for the slaughter if there is something in place to control the idiots.....

rrlund · Dec 1, 2011

Yes I am saying that. That bloated drug addicted abundant radio actor is a member of and spokesman for HSUS. The organization who's stated goal is to put an end to animal agriculture.
If you think somebody who has been married 5 times,did drugs til he went deaf and is a spokesman for HSUS is a conservative after the microphone is turned off,you need to think again.

kyplowboy · Dec 1, 2011

Same thing on the local 6:00 here just now. Had a couple of the cute girls at the local humane society talking about how folks are going to start breeding horses for slaughter, how horses are pets just like dogs, how there are lots of love'n folks who would love to adopt unwanted horses,,,,,,

Yeah one could say the local news story was a little one sided.

Dave

830 Kurt · Dec 1, 2011

Horse slaughter for human consumption was outlawed a couple years ago. Breeding horses for slaghter has never been profitable on its own. It has always been a way to keep the population undercontrol. Opening up the kill plants would create jobs and controll the unwanted population of horses.

Ultradog MN · Dec 1, 2011

Ya know,
I kind of knew about the ban or lack of funding -whatever it was and never gave it much thought. I don't have horses...
On the other hand, in the past few years I have seen more stories about neglected horses. I assumed it was more to do with the economy. Folks have lost lost their job, the house and even the horse they rode in on.
I hadn't considered that a lot of the abuse and neglect stories has to come from over population. Cut off the natural or man made selection and you got a problem.
And I've read on this site how you can't legally put your own horse down.
Surprising how a small vocal group can sway the nation's lawmakers to pass such ill thought out laws.
I heard we had a pretty good foreign market for horsemeat till the Feds shut it down.
I think I would eat horsemeat. I remember as a kid mom bought horsemeat at the local grocery store. Don't remember much beyond that.
I know it has something of a stigma to eat horse meat.
The Russian general Bagration once said come winter he would make Napolean eat his horses.
And he did it too.

Anonymous-0 · Dec 1, 2011

(quoted from post at 18:24:33 12/01/11) Ya know,
I kind of knew about the ban or lack of funding -whatever it was and never gave it much thought. I don't have horses...
On the other hand, in the past few years I have seen more stories about neglected horses. I assumed it was more to do with the economy. Folks have lost lost their job, the house and even the horse they rode in on.
I hadn't considered that a lot of the abuse and neglect stories has to come from over population. Cut off the natural or man made selection and you got a problem.
And I've read on this site how you can't legally put your own horse down.
Surprising how a small vocal group can sway the nation's lawmakers to pass such ill thought out laws.
I heard we had a pretty good foreign market for horsemeat till the Feds shut it down.
I think I would eat horsemeat. I remember as a kid mom bought horsemeat at the local grocery store. Don't remember much beyond that.
I know it has something of a stigma to eat horse meat.
The Russian general Bagration once said come winter he would make Napolean eat his horses.
And he did it too.

Watched a vet put a pony down once and it'll never happen on our place..... We have given two horses to the butcher because I feel it's a more respectful way to go than the vet option , laying around bloating and waiting on the meat wagon to come around and pick them up with a bucket/hook and dump them in a container of other rotting animals on the way to be burned/boiled......

Far as eating it, when I first got over here, there was a butcher/peddler selling salami, steaks, etc.... Sign said fleisch vom Pferde Metzger.... New Fleisch is meat so I was just proud as sh!t that I could read the sign and buy meat from old man Metzger....

Was standing nearby having a beer and piece of the salami when a guy says he didn't think Americans liked horse meat (Pferde Metzger is a horse butcher).... Didn't miss a beat and said "Yea, grew upon it, just never had any quite this good"....

FF to a couple years ago... Was at a horse show and there was a horsemeat stand. Asked my buddy who is a drugstore cowboy if he wanted a horse bratwurst... "cowboys don't eat their mounts" he says.....

I went later and got me a bratwurst from the real stand and got one from the horse meat guy, kept the receipt and took it back and gave it to the cowboy.... He wolfed it down and was happy.... Finished mine and asked how his was.... "real good" Gave him the receipt and enjoyed one of the stupidest looks I've seen in my life......

Anonymous-0 · Dec 2, 2011

None of what you are describing, happened when the slaughter plants were open, before peta jammed through that they should be closed, a couple years ago. What happened when they were closed, was that horses, which were healthy enough for slaughter (in years past), were being abandoned in public parkland, along the sides of highways, etc. Also, double decker hog trailers were being used to transport killer horses to Canada, cruelly.

Which is more cruel, abandonment and/or cruel transport, or a local humane slaughter plant?

Anonymous-0 · Dec 2, 2011

(quoted from post at 05:21:49 12/02/11) None of what you are describing, happened when the slaughter plants were open, before peta jammed through that they should be closed, a couple years ago. What happened when they were closed, was that horses, which were healthy enough for slaughter (in years past), were being abandoned in public parkland, along the sides of highways, etc. Also, double decker hog trailers were being used to transport killer horses to Canada, cruelly.

Which is more cruel, abandonment and/or cruel transport, or a local humane slaughter plant?

it did somewhere or folks wouldn't have got stirred up.... Not necessarily in the States, but it's hard to doubt.... There is always gonna be some bubba with the attitude that it's gonna die anyway, may as well have some fun... Then the good folks around will be too worried about their jobs to correct it..... Hope they get the slaughter houses open in a big enough scale that it will at least pay the transport and keep horses from being abandoned.... Around here, almost every slaughterhouse will take them, they just butcher on certain days so it's not processed with other meat.....

mkirsch · Dec 2, 2011

I'm inclined to believe that horse slaughter was NEVER illegal. The huggers did and end-around by going to the USDA and getting them to refuse to inspect the meat.

AFAIK the USDA needs to inspect the meat for pet food even.

No inspection means you can't sell the meat.

This in turn has created a glut of abandoned horses. Craigslists in the area have dozens of horses for sale cheap. People can't even GIVE them away.

It costs a fortune to haul a dead animal off to a rendering plant these days, like $300, if you can even find someone to do it. They won't take them unless they're perfect, either. No open wounds, no bloating, no broken bones.

ben brown · Dec 2, 2011

i have a question who introduced the bill what congressman what year and what president signed it.

TMo · Dec 2, 2011

"What is the law on this now?" 2006 Congressional Bill that ban funding to the USDA for horse meat inspection.

"Can no one slaughter a horse for meat?" Who really knows. Maybe if a person puts a bullet in a horse's head on the farm and butchers it himself and feed horse meat to his family.

"Or is it only that a slaughterhouse is not allowed to slaughter a horse for meat?" There were only 3 USDA approved horse slaughter houses in the USA, all closed down since the 2006 bill as of now.

"If a horse can't go to a slaughter house than where do old or sickly horses go to get knocked in the head? I can't think all these hobby horse people are buring dead horses under their bedroom window in the backyard." They don't go anywhere to get knocked in the head. May be a person can take them to Mexico or Canada...good luck with that getting them through inspections. Or, maybe a person can get in touch with Equine Welfare Alliance or Madeline Picken's Wild Horse Sanctuary for help.

Can a slaughterhouse slaughter a horse if it goes for dog food or some other by-product? No

Tx Jim · Dec 2, 2011

(quoted from post at 12:51:20 12/02/11)
There were only 3 USDA approved horse slaughter houses in the USA, all closed down since the 2006 bill as of now.

There were 3 plants for slaughtering horses in Texas before 2006. Ft Worth,Ladonia & Palestine. Ft Worth plant is now processing exotics,wild hogs & Ostriches. I'm not positive if the other 2 were USDA approved.

jackinok · Dec 2, 2011

dead horses always had to go to the rendering plant,so that pretty much took care of the crazies you speak of. Horses for actual food are/were graded pretty much like cattle. Guys in the actual buisness here had regular places they would feed them out just like cattle ,or a least plenty of good pasture to put them on. Like cattle, the really old ones wouldnt bring much. Very often there was nothing at all wrong with the horses as far as health went,but they were sold for slaughter because of temperment. biters,kickers,buckers ,things of that nature that made folks afraid of them. One major source for slaughter horses was those 5,6,7 or more year old horses that were born in some wannabe horsepersons barn that never were worked with at all, and just stood around eating until folks grew tired of them. Of course these are the ones very likely to be found in a rescue situation now.

TMo · Dec 2, 2011

Correction: There were only three large approved horse slaughter houses in the USA, one in Ft. Worth, TX; one in Kaufman, TX; and one in Dekalb, IL that I know of that were closed down.

By the way has anyone every heard of T. Boone Pickens and Madeline Pickens

They were huge opponents of horse slaughter thus highly influenced the Congressional Bill that shut the horse slaughter business down!

jackinok · Dec 2, 2011

(quoted from post at 19:37:49 12/02/11) Correction: There were only three large approved horse slaughter houses in the USA, one in Ft. Worth, TX; one in Kaufman, TX; and one in Dekalb, IL that I know of that were closed down.

By the way has anyone every heard of T. Boone Pickens and Madeline Pickens They were huge opponents of horse slaughter thus highly influenced the Congressional Bill that shut the horse slaughter business down!

if you made as much taxpayer money on each horse as the pickens and other make in the horse rescue buisness ,i bet you would be a opponent of it also! LOL horse rescue is something of a misnomer, taxpayer financed boarding of unwanted horses is a much more true statement. thats why its becoming a issue again, folks are hollering to cut gov spending. Its far cheaper on the taxpayer to pay inspectors than it is to board each horse for life.

Tx Jim · Dec 2, 2011

(quoted from post at 13:37:49 12/02/11) Correction: There were only three large approved horse slaughter houses in the USA, one in Ft. Worth, TX; one in Kaufman, TX; and one in Dekalb, IL that I know of that were closed down.

After some research I confirmed that before it was stopped Calhoun Packing in Palestine,Tx & Supreme Packing in Ladonia,Tx did process horses and were USDA inspected but this was several years before 2006.

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