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john *.?-!.* cub owner
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those of us that were raised on the old tractors are amazed thet the new ones have safety switches,
Bryan inIowa
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You just finding this out now ,,or joking with us ?
Somewhat relieved as well. A cousin got pushed through a fence cranking a WC that was in gear. Suppose the only time it started on the first pull? I have a 3020 open station JD with the starter switch bypassed for starting from the ground, but the transmission switch is still intact. First time plowing cornstalks with the 4020, the trans safety wire got pulled off- took awhile to discover why it wouldn"t turn over. JD came up with better stalk guards on subsequent models. I bypassed the seat switch on the Gehl skidsteer with a jumper wire so I could start it from the ground, but the belly bar switch is still intact.
Don't tell anyone congress will make old tractors ilegal or retrofit them. All we need is a law about how dumb people can be and still be allowed near equipment. Not one that keeps farm kids from running tractors untill they are 16.This topic came up at Thanksgiving dinner today and even my abundant sisters agreed with me that we all started driving by 10 and didn't take any chances.
Janicholson
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I bought a WC allis that smashed a man into his oliver Standard tractor. An allis of that vintage WD 45 or older have bent shifters that are easy to fail to find Neutral. All dangerous things need respect. When the rules remove danger, the operator is lulled into thinking things are safe. I deal with danger as a part of every day work. From hot metal to spinning lathe chucks to nasty Electromagnetic radiation, it is a good place to be (with your head in gear, not the tractor.) Jim
Anonymous-0
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dummin down america..Duh. if external_link finds out he might have another clunker prorgam so he can protect us poor dumfarmers with them Good Ol tractors that require only common sense to operate and keep runnin for 60 yrs ,, REquire All farmers REPLACE their tractors with new modern Bulshittractors made in Aphukinstan that has delicate electric solenoids and sensers that disable your tractor to keep US from feedin the WORLD ,..
onefarmer
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Yep and so will my JD620, MH44, 30, 22, Mustang, and Farmall M and H.
Good first post with good advice. A few years ago, when I had a tractor without such a safety devise, I installed a push button switch wired in such a fashion that the starter would not engage without pressing the button. Not as good as a "clutch" or "neutral" switch, but would remind me of the situation!
I bought a DC Case tractor at a sale one time - and didn't find out until later the sale was an estate sale for an elderly fellow who often started his tractors from the ground.
Come to find out, his neighbor had borrowed one and left back where he got it - BUT left it in gear. The owner later walked up to start it from the ground and it ran over him. He crawled to the house - and then lived for a while in the hospital, but died.
I don't know for sure if it was the one I bought or not, but he only had 4 tractors...
Anyway, I often think of that while I'm messing with my old iron...
Howard
Bob Huntress
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The tires are know to come in a round shape from the factory, also. Is there a point?
Bob Huntress
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Oldtanker, do you know why kids sit around instead of riding their bikes? It takes a small diesel engine to move all the safety equipment they are expected to take with them. Do you realize that everyone who is now over 100 years old grew up playing with toys that were stuffed with asbestos and coated with lead? How is it that before everyone deviced these thousands of safety methods to protect us from our shadows, people lived?
Anonymous-0
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exactly...............it's the 2% rule............... gotta be at least 2% smarter than what you are working with...... Before all the safety equipment, the idiots were weeded out.........Now they live well and prosper.......and reproduce...
Fawteen
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Uh, my 1988 JD750 compact came with one.
Couldn't tell ya where it is now tho...
Couldn't tell ya where it is now tho...
We REALLY need the U.S. Congress to address these type things........and protect us from ourselves; there are so many ways that people can get hurt. The list is endless; how about a 'tree guard' to keep kids from climbing the trees in their yards and........potentially..........falling out and breaking their arm.
love it, also you have hit the core problem of many things that are wrong these days lol, as to old tractors, lo and behold, they sure will start up in gear, us that grew up with them were taught that around age 8 to 10,when starting first thing "rattle that stick! ,make SURE its in nutural, make SURE the pto is disengauged"then go thru the engine start procedure, nowdays people expect to ignore basic safety common sence and the government is supposed to prevent them from being injured or the company that made the thing is going to hear from their lawyer, as grandpapy said if you stumble and fall, pick yer feet up and pay attention, your lack of attention aint their fault, its yours lol
Welding man
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Everything that has been produced in the last 100 years can't be child proofed. Common sense has to prevail sometimes. People that don't have any don't need tractors.
I converted a Ferguson to 12 volts maybe 30 years ago - for a customer. It had no neutral safety switch. With the new 12 volt system it cranked and started much faster then before. So, when he came to pick up the tractor I explained to him the new potential danger. Then? To demonstrate I hit the key, the thing started instantly, was IN 1st gear, and ran me over and broke my neck and half my ribs.
Moral of the story? We screw up sometimes - and when we do - it's nobody's fault but our own. No safety switch is going to fix human nature. I was tired, half-loaded, and I paid for it.
I grew up in a rural area that got hit with the "population bomb" when I was a kid. They actually drained or filled in all the ponds where we used to swim and fish - so kids couldn't drown. Yeah, great idea. Many became teen drug addicts instead. Much better hobby!
I have many tractors and still no safety switches. In fact, I just removed the clutch pedal safety switch from our Kia Sportage.
I also refuse to wear seat belts, have the ABS unhooked in all our cars, along with the pass-side airbags (for the few that have them). I still curse many of my power tools because of the many safety "idiot" switches I have to bypass to use them. I even recently got a new chainsaw and it had an "anti-plunge" guard at the end of the bar. I quickly removed it. Give me a break! We need Darwin's "natural selection" to work more freely. Next time I see an adult wearing a bicycle helmet, I think I'm going to puke. Just don't make me wear one.
Moral of the story? We screw up sometimes - and when we do - it's nobody's fault but our own. No safety switch is going to fix human nature. I was tired, half-loaded, and I paid for it.
I grew up in a rural area that got hit with the "population bomb" when I was a kid. They actually drained or filled in all the ponds where we used to swim and fish - so kids couldn't drown. Yeah, great idea. Many became teen drug addicts instead. Much better hobby!
I have many tractors and still no safety switches. In fact, I just removed the clutch pedal safety switch from our Kia Sportage.
I also refuse to wear seat belts, have the ABS unhooked in all our cars, along with the pass-side airbags (for the few that have them). I still curse many of my power tools because of the many safety "idiot" switches I have to bypass to use them. I even recently got a new chainsaw and it had an "anti-plunge" guard at the end of the bar. I quickly removed it. Give me a break! We need Darwin's "natural selection" to work more freely. Next time I see an adult wearing a bicycle helmet, I think I'm going to puke. Just don't make me wear one.
Actually, not ALL old tractors will start in gear. The 1948 Fergusons used the gear-shift to start them, thus forcing the operator to take them out of gear before starting the tractor.
Of course, many of the surviving Fergusons have been converted to start without using the safety feature. I have chosen to leave mine alone. I MIGHT be smart enough to not start it in gear, but I don"t know about other people who borrow it.
Of course, many of the surviving Fergusons have been converted to start without using the safety feature. I have chosen to leave mine alone. I MIGHT be smart enough to not start it in gear, but I don"t know about other people who borrow it.
fixerupper
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I disabled the clutch safety switch on the 1086 because the clutch was so darned hard to push down without the engine running. Marilyn couldn't get it pushed down to start the tractor. After the engine started the hydraulic clutch boost kicked in and it pushed down easy. I would much rather have the switch activated and working. If I remember right the newer 1086's had an easier clutch when the engine wasn't running. The little Massey 175 I just bought has the safety switch bypassed but it will be working again after I'm done with it.Jim
Allan in NE
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Heck!
That's how I learned to drive at the age of 5. :>)
Allan
That's how I learned to drive at the age of 5. :>)
Allan
That's why you never ASSUME anything when it comes to working on or operating any piece of equipment. Regardless of how "safe" some engineer tries to make something there is always someone out there smart enough to bypass his gazillion dollar safety switch when it goes bad because all they need is a tractor that works, not one that "keeps thems safe".
Being a mechaic by trade you'd be amazed at some of the things I have seen people do in order to bypass safety circuits on various pieces of equipment. Too I'm often amazed at some of the novel ways that have been engineered into the equipment by the OEM to keep this from happening. For instance some of the Bobcat brand skidsteers has a solenoid in the hydraulic system to keep you from raising the boom if one of the safety features, or the computer in charge, goes bad. The system can be bypassed to the solenoid with straight battery voltage long enough to get the loader arms up and locked but continuing to bypass the computer will eventually burn out the solenoid because it doesn't normally operate on straight 12V system voltage. Instead the voltage is reduced in the computer module and the solenoid is designed to operate on a much lower voltage. I've got to give them credit though on that system, because even if the computer itself goes bad the cost to replace it is only like $250 so ultimately it's not worth the time you'd spend trying to figure out how what all you'd need in the way of resistors, etc, etc to bypass it without burning up the safety solenoid.
That said, something I've been saying for years, and I see that others who have responded seem to agree. There are alot of... stupid/irresponsible/call them what you will... people in this world. With the advent of OSHA, MSHA, etc these people have been protected and as a result haven't succomed to the laws of natural selection and killed thmesleves off. As a result they have been allowed to breed and create an ever larger, dumber population.......And, unfortunately, the cycle continues on and on unabated making life hard on others because of the stupidity of what was once the few but has now become the majority....
Being a mechaic by trade you'd be amazed at some of the things I have seen people do in order to bypass safety circuits on various pieces of equipment. Too I'm often amazed at some of the novel ways that have been engineered into the equipment by the OEM to keep this from happening. For instance some of the Bobcat brand skidsteers has a solenoid in the hydraulic system to keep you from raising the boom if one of the safety features, or the computer in charge, goes bad. The system can be bypassed to the solenoid with straight battery voltage long enough to get the loader arms up and locked but continuing to bypass the computer will eventually burn out the solenoid because it doesn't normally operate on straight 12V system voltage. Instead the voltage is reduced in the computer module and the solenoid is designed to operate on a much lower voltage. I've got to give them credit though on that system, because even if the computer itself goes bad the cost to replace it is only like $250 so ultimately it's not worth the time you'd spend trying to figure out how what all you'd need in the way of resistors, etc, etc to bypass it without burning up the safety solenoid.
That said, something I've been saying for years, and I see that others who have responded seem to agree. There are alot of... stupid/irresponsible/call them what you will... people in this world. With the advent of OSHA, MSHA, etc these people have been protected and as a result haven't succomed to the laws of natural selection and killed thmesleves off. As a result they have been allowed to breed and create an ever larger, dumber population.......And, unfortunately, the cycle continues on and on unabated making life hard on others because of the stupidity of what was once the few but has now become the majority....
randallnMo
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Allen, now that's just flat funny!!
Allan in NE
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'Bout gave my Mom a heart attack, but we got 'er going. :>)
After she caught up to me, I had to show her how to shut it off. I couldn't reach the switch from the seat. :>)
Allan
After she caught up to me, I had to show her how to shut it off. I couldn't reach the switch from the seat. :>)
Allan
rustred
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thats how i learned also at 6 yrs. old. dad had a w-6 and the clutch is stiff on them. when out picking rocks dad just left the tractor in 1st gear and all i had to do was step on the starter and move ahead then just push the kill button in to stop it.safty is good but so is old school also! the young need more practical experience instead of relying on safety equ. so much.
old
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Safety switches are put on things because there are to many people that do not understand what common sense is. Then down the road they in turn can not figure out why there machine will not start since a switch has gone bad. Safety is only as good as the person messing with a machine so no safety switch will fix all the unsafe people out there
Owen Aaland
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The later 86 series tractors have a second safety switch that works off the park lock. You can start them by either pushing down on the clutch pedal or having the shift lever in the Park position.
Ivan in Mich
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When I was 8 or 9 years old and started driving reactors the first thing I was taught is you never tried to start anything without the clutch disengauged. This is one thing that I remembered all my life. Another thing was if you don't know how to operate it stay off. Nowdays I don't think most people spend the time to train someone how to use anything.
willie in mn
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Routine my Dad taught us about 60 years ago for starting tractor.
1- check for shift in neutral
2- turn on gas
3- check shift again
4- take crank out of holder
5- check shift again
6- give crank a short tug, less than 1/8 turn
7- if it turns hard, it is in gear, check shift
again
8- turn it over
Still do most of the routine except the part
about crank. Now I pull starter rod before
turning on key. If it spins easy, good to go.
If it grunts it is in gear.
Willie
1- check for shift in neutral
2- turn on gas
3- check shift again
4- take crank out of holder
5- check shift again
6- give crank a short tug, less than 1/8 turn
7- if it turns hard, it is in gear, check shift
again
8- turn it over
Still do most of the routine except the part
about crank. Now I pull starter rod before
turning on key. If it spins easy, good to go.
If it grunts it is in gear.
Willie
Actually most of the safety switches were put on because of people suing because they never read the owners manual or ignored them. I had a 1974 garden tractor that had both a seat and PTO safety switch from the factory. OSHA only got started in 1971 and really wasn't going after garden tractors in 74. Heck the new GT's have a reverse switch that will not let you back up with the mower engaged unless it has a bypass.....all cause people can't look behind them while backing up.
Rick
Wouldn't have thought anyone with and old tractor would not know that they would start in gear. Don't come around when I start my old tractors. I almost never start one from the seat. You might guess OSHA and I wouldn't get along real well. Wouldn't get along with someone telling I shouldn't start (my) tractors on (my) property from the ground either. At 73 I have had all the that aint safe crap I care to hear when the most unsafe thing you can do is get in your car and go down the road at highway speed on a two lane highway meeting other cars at highway speeds two feet apart. If a person wants to stay real safe stay in bed.
Heavyduty1
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Also be carefull around old tractors or new, when the engine is running and the trans is in park or neutral. Reason being, this fall a local farmer was using a old JD 4020 to bushhog the corn stalks and got off to adjust the toplink when the trans jumped into gear running over him to his dealth. You just never know, when working around machines. :shock:
Anonymous-0
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My headach is old tractors, swathers, combines, trucks, ect that I can't get started at all, in gear or not.
Anonymous-0
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yeah . they go to change gear and hit the starter, does wonders for the ring gear.
johndeerefan
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It never hurts to have a reminder every once in a while. Last I checked, several farmers every year lose their arms or life taking shortcuts while working around a live pto shaft. Bet they would pay anything to have been reminded. It goes to show the dangers when we get lazy or just lose concentration after working long hours. Safety features on new equipment is on there for a reason, because that type of accident happen several times over. Not just one occurance. Never Never take safety for granted.....Your life depends on it.
Quick story...I had my 4 year old son riding on my B7500 Kubota compact tractor. I stopped to open the gate. I put it in neutral, but didn't set the parking brake or let down the bucket and left my son sitting in the seat. It was fairly flat ground and wouldn't really move very far. My son started to panic when it started to move and tried getting off. I saw what was about to happen and ran to keep him from getting ran over by the back tire. I grabbed him just in the knick of time before the tire almost pulled him under. The rear wheel ran over my leg, but I only got a couple of scuff marks on the skin. Luckily my son was unharmed and only scared. That was the worst feeling I have ever had. I saw his life flash before my eyes. To this day, if he is riding with me, I put the parking brake on, lower the bucket, and even shut off the engine just in case.
Quick story...I had my 4 year old son riding on my B7500 Kubota compact tractor. I stopped to open the gate. I put it in neutral, but didn't set the parking brake or let down the bucket and left my son sitting in the seat. It was fairly flat ground and wouldn't really move very far. My son started to panic when it started to move and tried getting off. I saw what was about to happen and ran to keep him from getting ran over by the back tire. I grabbed him just in the knick of time before the tire almost pulled him under. The rear wheel ran over my leg, but I only got a couple of scuff marks on the skin. Luckily my son was unharmed and only scared. That was the worst feeling I have ever had. I saw his life flash before my eyes. To this day, if he is riding with me, I put the parking brake on, lower the bucket, and even shut off the engine just in case.
LorenP.Coffin
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Massey with safety on hi/low lever.
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