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Brad Gyde

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Ok guys, so I'm sure there's a better place to ask this, but I'm going to try here, as I usually get pretty sound advice here it seems.. I know there are a few that turn wrenches for a living here, which also helps..

The significant other has decided she's looking for a new(er) vehicle.. It'll either be a extended cab truck or a suv.. Likely 4x4, etc..

I'm guessing it'll be something from say 2000 to a couple years old.. It'll defiantly be American (ford, Chevy, or Chrysler) seeing my father is retired from GM and hers from Ford..

My question is, What would be the "best" to work on (I know, nothing is easy these days, but the least complex, as this will be my job sooner or later) as well as most economical to buy parts for, and the most dependable overall? I know these questions are tough to answer, as every vehicle is driven differently, affecting component longevity and so on..

I guess I want to know the best economically to keep on the road, and maintenance and repairs will be my job, so.. I have little basis to decide on my own, as I've had 11 vehicles in 15 years..
4 chevy trucks from 89 to 05.. all but one had 4.3's, all were 2wd..
6 Fords from 79 to 95, 2 351's, 1 300-6, 2 6.9's, and one Powerstroke
1 Dodge, 84, and was a "assembled" unit from various trucks.

I have decided I own the newest truck I'll ever own today.. I can completely rebuild my 86 or 95 Ford or my 05 Chevy cheaper than I can buy ANYTHING new.. and I'll have something I can still work on. I may have to make a sacrifice on fuel economy, creature comfort, or power, but I'm fine with that.. The trucks I have do everything I need them to do.

I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR not to buy because of the bailouts or that bull crap.. I want to hear sound advice on why one is "cheaper" to own than another.

Thanks in advance all

Brad
 
I wouldn't touch these questions with the proverbial ten foot pole.

Mainly, 'cause it all boils down to the person who's driving the vehicle, how they drive, and what their expectations are.

Some people can drive a vehicle for years with nary a problem. Put the same vehicle in the hands of someone else, and it's junk in a couple of years.

When I was a Claims Adjuster doing vehicle service contracts, we always wondered why Pontiacs had more drive train failures than other GM vehicles built on the same platform. Only answer we could come up with is Pontiac's performance image drew drivers who were far more aggressive in their driving habits than maybe a Buick driver.

'Nother case in point. I can go several years without a flat tire. All my wife has to do is look at a car and the tires start going down. Mostly from nails picked up on the same gravel roads I drive. Never have figured it out, I just fix 'em.
 
Being that I'm a Ford fan on rear wheel drive/4X4 vehicles if you are going the SUV path I'd have to say GM in the Tahoe or Suburban size hands down. I've owned one, our current daily driver with 250,000 on the clock. Actual repairs (not wear items like brakes) is one Alternator and one heater fan motor. Smaller SUV would be another Exploder, drove one of those 200,000 plus, traded it on the Suburban. We went to the Suburban because we needed the 3rd seat and cargo space.

Rick
 
Goose,

I can understand why you'd avoid my scenario.. I'm not gonna drive it, so I don't expect much..

I'm just trying to keep her away from something that will be in the shop more often than not.. (Just cause I have enough in my shop as it is) My money's not buying it, but my time will be keeping it on the road..

By the way, I know all about the tire thing.. The tires on my truck have been there a while (80k plus) and she called me earlier to say one appears to be going low (she has it because they can't seem to find the issue with her car, and neither could I).. Be the second flat I've had since I bought them tires.. LOL..

Brad
 
Rick,

Thanks.. She's looked at a exploder, a escape, blazer, and a jeep so far..

She likes the Jeep, but I keep hearing Chrysler is the most expensive to repair.. So I'm trying to become a little more informed, hence why I asked.

She/we don't need anything "big" now.. She has one young kid.. so it's usually just us 3.. but she's not ruling anything out yet.. I just know I'll be the one maintaining it.. So I am trying to prevent a ache in the back side prematurely.

I keep telling her she can take over my 86 Ford truck with the diesel and I'll get my 95 rolling for myself.. She declines the offer every time.. LOL..

Thanks for your comment

Brad
 
I'm not a push a (insert Ford or Chevy) rather than drive a (insert the other one). Fords are a bit heavier and have bigger engines(not an absolute), while Chevy/GMC have more available parts, and more room to work. Neither of those two are bad trucks, and either would be considered reliable. Dodge is a different story, however. I understand that as I buy used, that I assume a given amout of repair, yet, I managed the GSA fleet for the USCG, prior to my retirement, earlier this month. The company does honor it's warranty, yet, I do not believe that it should be needed close to as often as it is. They also have lighter rear ends standard, which can be solved by getting an optional heavier one. That's my imput. Ford and GM are both fine trucks and will likely serve your wife fine.
 
From my experience as an auto mechanic, my first instinct would be to recommend the `05 era GM trucks first (I don`t recall the exact years built), but I have a hard time trusting that opinion because I grew up in an all GM household ;-) But I cannot abide the newer ford overhead cam gas engines, I have worked on them way too much, and the access in the engine compartment is WAY worse than GM and Chrysler because those ford engines are a bit broad in the beam, and GM and chrysler both refined the same technology that worked for them for decades, and ford started from scratch and it shows. The GM 4L65E and 4L80E transmissions have excellent reputations and have been around a long time to figure out the bugs. I don`t have enough experience with Dodge trucks after the body change around `01 to be able to say much, but the older 5.2 gasser is a great motor (5.2 is french for 318), but those older dodge 4x4s did have some front axle issues with the central axle disconnect, and most jeeps can have the same issues, but there are kits available to remedy that issue permanently, and the front suspension is a bit cheesy on the dodges and jeeps for my taste. The jeep 4.0L inline six is an excellent motor, and is bolted to decent chrysler trannies, so a jeep could work well.

Catch all that? I guess they all have there good points and bad points. I guess I would take a GM 5.3L V8 and GM transmission in a `01 dodge truck with a ford super-duty leaf-sprung front axle. Not likely to work in your case, I guess that is why I drive older trucks.
 
Yeah, I too have noticed that since Ford trucks are a completely different engine, replacement parts are harder to come by. It's not like tey're rare, but compared with GMC, wich used basically the same engine with updates to emission etc. the Ford is a fairly harder to comeby part, even more so if you are getting it at a salvage yard.
 
I have an 09 Escape and I like it. Has about 29K miles on it. I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee with 145k on it. It has a real noisy rear end. I tried to repair that one time but it only lasted about 4K miles so the other 100K I had to turn the radio up. One water pump replacement, new ac comp this year, new PS pump today. Other than that it has not had anything but grease and oil changes. There are a few things that do not work properly but it is a 13 year old vehicle and as long as I own it they probably never work again.
 
Part of the reason jeep has a reputation for expensive repairs is .. I have a 2001 Grand Cherokee Lorado I just had to replace a radiator and to do that you must take off most of the plastic on the front garage told me 300.00 something to do the change I did it in a days work only because I did a trial and error method of removing the old one till I found a way it would come out .

After putting it all together I found the relay for the electric fan wasn't working. This by the book alone is another 300.00, but thanks to this computer I found in most cases you remove one 8 mm bolt and grasp headlight and with a jerk it pops out revealing another plastic guard under it..(Takes garage better than 3 hours labor)
I found with a cut off wheel or a hole saw, you can cut a hole in it and two 8 mm screws and unplug it it is changed.

Mine was already cut out because it had been changed before. If I would have taken it to a garage I'm sure I would have paid the book price for labor. I had about $40.00 in part and 10 min labor.
 
Bob and sixtynine:

Thanks for the input, I'd really like to see her in a Chevy, as I too was from a Chevy house, but I'm letting her decide.. I started buying 80's Fords about 7-8 years ago for farm trucks, and I still hear about it.. But, they work for me.

I know all have goods and bads.. That's a given no matter what name is on it. I think I'm the only one in the family that has Ford, the rest are either Chrysler or GM, and all have served the family pretty well. I've had good luck with all my Chevy's.. But, we've had problems with them too.. We lost a oil pump shaft in a 90 p/u with 80k on it.. Dad had a 96 or 97 half ton that lost the crankshaft dampner at 10k or so, my 01 S-10 had starter issues (2.2 L) but that wasn't all them either. Wheel bearings are weak on the newer stuff.. did them on my 05 around 55k.

I hear Fords have the spark plug removal issues.. Chrysler seems to have some electrical stuff going on from what I have heard..

I have nothing against any of the 3, and I understand with used comes the assumption it will need work eventually. I guess the whole thing is to have something economical to keep going..

Thanks for the input.

Brad
 
Hunting green and old roy:

Thank you for the input. From the labor standpoint in the radiator change, I can see where it can be costly.

Sounds like you've both had decent luck with the Jeep line.. That makes me a little easy, as I know that's really what she wants.

What causes that rear end to be noisy? I'm assuming must be something to do with the gear mesh? The noise wouldn't bother me, but I know I'd be looking at it all the time for her.. LOL..

In the line of what she wants, I've got an aunt that has had a few grand cherokees.. She used to lease, so every 3 years she'd get a new one and never have much issue..

Otherwise, there have been 2 durango's in the family.. Another aunt bought one new.. I think it was around 120k when someone told her it needed a engine.. (not saying it was properly maintained, and never did hear what lead them to believe the engine was shot, as it still ran, but it would run rich, almost like it was "choked").. My sister also bought one.. From a tow yard for $400 with some front damage (was abandoned and they towed it in, her boyfriend worked there, and we had to give scrap price for it).. We straightened it out, tossed a rad, bumper, grille, headlights and she drove it for 3 years with just things like brakes, tune up, tires, etc.. It had nearly 200k when she sold it, but no history of maintenance either (may have had a new engine, trans, etc before it was abandoned).

Again, thanks for helping the decision making process.

Brad
 

Why buy something you have to work on in the first place?? Get her a Kia Sportage or Sorento (preferably diesel) and relax into just doing routine maintenance...... You buying a used vehicle doesn't create or save any factory jobs unless you count the parts you'll be buying for below standard vehicles.

Enjoy whatever you buy......

Dave
 
Dave,

I don't believe either of those are available as a diesel on this side of the pond.. May be worth checking into though. Do you get good fuel mileage out of yours? (I know in Germany you don't use our standard measuring, but I do know you're originally from over here, so.. LOL )

I was part owner of a Kia once before.. I'm pretty sure it was a Spectra (can't recall now) and engine/trans wise, it has been good to her (my ex) but she's had other issues with it.. Mostly suspension (and brakes, but that's a wear item.. just not that much.. It seems I had to do them every 4 months or so when we were together), but I have seen how she drives.. could be a pattern there.. We bought it used.. was about a year old with about 6k on it, again, IIRC.

As for buying something that needs fixed.. That's not my plan exactly.. I just know no matter what we buy, new or used, eventually, I will be working on it, so the plan is to try to find something with a pretty good rep, and not too bad to fix parts cost wise. Every vehicle I've ever had I've drove till the wheels fell off.

Even though I'd catch crap from my dad, fill me in on the Kia, if you don't mind. He's already been told no more new Chevy's for me.. The bailout was bad, but when GM's CEO goes on the national news and says "America NEEDS $10/gal gas" I'm done with them.. Used is one thing.. New.. Not so much.

Thanks

Brad
 


that was just sarcasm about fixing :roll:

mileage is just wording.... liters to 100km (60 miles).... 10 3.8 liters/100km would be 60mpg.

My sportage is a 97 2.0 gas and takes 13-15 liters (my driving is 3 miles to work on the road but majority is driving right of ways and access trails checking horses/pastures. Put a horse trailer behind it and jump to about 20 liters......
Wife's sorento is 2006 w/ 2.5 diesel (believe it's mercedes) and takes 8 liters normal driving and <10 with a full horse trailer. She's crazy about it.I like my little sporty because it doesn't have the nice leather interior and neat stuff to keep clean. I use mine hard and have only lubed/changed oil other than replacing auto hubs with manuals. Hers has had an idler pully (serpintine belt) replaced.
Was loosely looking for a sorento that would meet my cheapness and found a couple that looked outstanding and had 600+k km (360k miles) and still going strong.
 
Do you REALLY need a 4X4? I have a niece that lives in Las Vegas and she HAD to have a 4-wheel drive. For what??? Just asking, because that can be a huge money pit if things start to go wrong with the 4 wheel drive components. If you live where there is a lot of snow/ice, or muddy roads, I can see where they are nice, but I bet 90% of them are never even put into 4-wheel drive. Like others have said, what works for me might not work for my neighbor. EVERY make and model of vehicle has it's "lemons", and every one has the ones that go for 300,000 miles and never have any problems. Go with what you want and don't look back.
 
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that was just sarcasm about fixing :roll:

mileage is just wording.... liters to 100km (60 miles).... 10 3.8 liters/100km would be 60mpg.

My sportage is a 97 2.0 gas and takes 13-15 liters (my driving is 3 miles to work on the road but majority is driving right of ways and access trails checking horses/pastures. Put a horse trailer behind it and jump to about 20 liters......
Wife's sorento is 2006 w/ 2.5 diesel (believe it's mercedes) and takes 8 liters normal driving and <10 with a full horse trailer. She's crazy about it.I like my little sporty because it doesn't have the nice leather interior and neat stuff to keep clean. I use mine hard and have only lubed/changed oil other than replacing auto hubs with manuals. Hers has had an idler pully (serpintine belt) replaced.
Was loosely looking for a sorento that would meet my cheapness and found a couple that looked outstanding and had 600+k km (360k miles) and still going strong.
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I guess I would never have thought to mention it, but Dave brought the Sportage to mind. The only one I have any knowledge of belonged to a buddy of mine, was a `98 I think. It was his work car on a contract rural mail route until he had to get anewer car to meet the contract requirements. Only problem he ever had was broke a timing belt at 150,000 that was not replaced at 100,000 like it should have been, but it is a non-interference engine, no damage was done then. After it came off the route at around 250,000 miles he didn`t care about it anymore, and it became our trail beater. We hammered that poor thing, ended up putting manual hubs on it, and took it anywhere. Never missed a lick, even with two Dukes of Hazzard impersonators driving it, they really will survive a small jump or two....and they will cross deeper creeks than you would think, problem is they get pushed downstream because they are so light. Point of all this would be that if we never killed the poor thing, I don`t think a sane person could. I guess I would have to put my vote behind a kia if it came to that.
 
Coming from a repair shop owner,Chevy Tahoe or Suburban or Yukon/XL hands down.Bought mine an "03 Suburban 4X4 this summer and she loves it.This was an upgrade from a Chrysler Town & Country.

Decided against Trailblazers and Envoys because I see them way too often in my shop.Just my personal recommendation.
 
My wife has had way more flats than me. Usually on the right side. I think she drives much further to the right on our gravel roads and gets nails in it. One time I got a flat, I was going down our road behind a siding contractor. A bunch of nails fell out of his truck, and I ran over some before I could stop. He stopped and helped me out, paid for fixing the tire.
 
I had enough of always having to fix something on the BIG 3 so our family has all but ditched them for Hondas. We have had FAR BETTER sucess with them. I have heard good thing about Toyotas too and we had 1 pickup and it sure was reliable.

DO NOT BUY a Jeep Grand Cherokee unless you like always having to visit the repair shop. My niece had 2 of these and you spend way too much in repairs. Pay more up front for a Honda Pilot or CRV but save on repairs.
 
(quoted from post at 03:18:32 10/20/11) Do you REALLY need a 4X4? I have a niece that lives in Las Vegas and she HAD to have a 4-wheel drive. For what??? Just asking, because that can be a huge money pit if things start to go wrong with the 4 wheel drive components. If you live where there is a lot of snow/ice, or muddy roads, I can see where they are nice, but I bet 90% of them are never even put into 4-wheel drive. Like others have said, what works for me might not work for my neighbor. EVERY make and model of vehicle has it's "lemons", and every one has the ones that go for 300,000 miles and never have any problems. Go with what you want and don't look back.
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LOL I read somewhere that the average buyer of a new, 1/2 ton pickup, extended cab 4X4 was a woman 25-38 years old who lives in a city. That same report claimed that most 4X4's never leave pavement.....something like 95%.

For those who are interested, Fords OHC engines in the V configuration....it's not a new design. The basic design work was done in the 60's! When they decided t come up with a "new" engine they dusted off that design, lowered the compression to burn todays fuels and converted from timing chains to belts. Added the EPA stuff, EFI and so on and there you go!

About the only trouble I had from my Ford OHC Explorer was changing plugs. Never had any repairs other than a Tstat.

Rick
 
C-Man

Does she NEED 4wd? Uh, probably not.. We are from Michigan, so we do get ice and snow, and being directions to our place include "Turn off the paved road" sometimes (specially spring thaw) mud can be an issue..

BUT what I can say is when we get enough snow or mud to need a 4x4, even that isn't going to get you out.. We were "stuck" for about 3 days while we waited for the county to get to our back roads last winter.. Well, I wasn't.. I left the truck in the driveway and rode the snowmobile.

I never had 4x4 until about 3-4 years ago, and I always managed.. But sometimes, ya just let the war department win and get what she wants. Peace is closer that way.. LOL

Thanks to all for the input this far.. Looks like I'm still about where I was when I asked though.. LOL

Brad
 
You might want to consider what you REALLY want!
You stated in your OP---[b:d2bfacc7bb]It'll defiantly be American (ford, Chevy, or Chrysler) seeing my father is retired from GM and hers from Ford[/b:d2bfacc7bb].. --and then someone that apparently didn't understand your post, suggested a Korean?? made vehicle! You then proceded to ask questions about these---So is it really going to be one of the three or are you considering other brands??
 
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LOL I read somewhere that the average buyer of a new, 1/2 ton pickup, extended cab 4X4 was a woman 25-38 years old who lives in a city. That same report claimed that most 4X4's never leave pavement.....something like 95%.

For those who are interested, Fords OHC engines in the V configuration....it's not a new design. The basic design work was done in the 60's! When they decided t come up with a "new" engine they dusted off that design, lowered the compression to burn todays fuels and converted from timing chains to belts. Added the EPA stuff, EFI and so on and there you go!

About the only trouble I had from my Ford OHC Explorer was changing plugs. Never had any repairs other than a Tstat.

Rick
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Uh.....No. The newer ford OHC V-8 (and the sixes are no relation) have absolutely nothing in common with the 427SOHC from the sixties. Oh, except for the fact that they still run seemingly a mile of timing chain? No belts in sight, sorry dude. Some people may like the new OHC ford motors, some don`t. However, lets not mislead people.
 
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(quoted from post at 07:43:33 10/20/11)


LOL I read somewhere that the average buyer of a new, 1/2 ton pickup, extended cab 4X4 was a woman 25-38 years old who lives in a city. That same report claimed that most 4X4's never leave pavement.....something like 95%.

For those who are interested, Fords OHC engines in the V configuration....it's not a new design. The basic design work was done in the 60's! When they decided t come up with a "new" engine they dusted off that design, lowered the compression to burn todays fuels and converted from timing chains to belts. Added the EPA stuff, EFI and so on and there you go!

About the only trouble I had from my Ford OHC Explorer was changing plugs. Never had any repairs other than a Tstat.

Rick
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Uh.....No. The newer ford OHC V-8 (and the sixes are no relation) have absolutely nothing in common with the 427SOHC from the sixties. Oh, except for the fact that they still run seemingly a mile of timing chain? No belts in sight, sorry dude. Some people may like the new OHC ford motors, some don`t. However, lets not mislead people.
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Nope not taking about the the 427, Ford designed and built a small OHC V8 for Indy car in the 60's.

Rick
 
New to me, would need some better info to take it at your word, especially since the newer V-8 still use timing chains, and they used conventional engines in the LeMans cars, so your engine must have been a real winner.....
 
Brad At the car lot, we buy and sell all different brands of trucks here in central Iowa. We cannot keep a good 4X4 on the lot. We cannot give away anything with 2X4. The best selling truck with the best 4X4 fuel milage is the Chevy/Gmc with the 5.4 V8 in them. 99% of them get 19-22 MPG with the automatic. I own a 2000 Chevy 2X4 with the 4.3 and it will get that kind of milage if you dont drive it hard. They are not that hard to work on. The Fords in the years you are talking about are known to be spark plug blowers. The Chevys are known to be hard on fuel pumps. The Dodges are known to have intake manifold gasket problems. We see more high milage Chevys than Dodge or Ford on the road today.Please understand you are probably going to change 1 set of plugs on the ford, put 1 fuel pump in the chevy and put 1 set of manifold gaskets in the Dodge. Take your pick and good luck.
 
It might be better to rebuild an older truck.Im working on a 96 Ford f150.97 brought the the spark plug spitting Triton engine Ive hear Ford just got rid of it.My truck needs new spring hangers and shackles, new rear gas tank.Road salt did a lot of damage but there is a lot of poor engineering in the truck.It seems to be built to fail early.It costs too much money to hire work done now.Some new Ford trucks have to have the cab lifted to replace rear spark plus on the engine.If I could find a 70s chevy pick up that was rust free I would buy it.I use a truck for work, hauling lumber and hay.I dont need a pimp mobile full of features I dont use.Trucks are popular here because they can stand the winter road conditions better.I looked at used trucks and found some cost more than a new truck.A truck is not a status symbol for me,when I see some one with a new truck I see debt for 5 years.The best truck is the one that runs good and dosent break down.Dosnt matter what make it is.
 
From purely a working on the engine standpoint, GM would be my choice. Much easier than the OHC Fords. No cam phasers to rattle on a GM. I have put lifters in them though. If you go GM, go new enough to get a 6 speed. The 6L80 is much better more reliable than the 4l60E.
That said, my wife has a Nissan Pathfinder. I'm not crazy about the styling, and my 98 Silverado gets a couple more miles per gallon, but that Nissan has been very trouble free. She's put almost 100K on it (had about 35K when she bought it) and it has only needed a mass air sensor and a solenoid that I forget what it was for right off. Routine maint otherwise...
 
You must reside in a dry salt free area of the
country. It's uncommon to see a 15-20yr old vehicle
on the road here. If it's been oiled then maybe 20
years max.It has holes rusted through the wheel
wells, door bottom and rocker panels perforated.
Bolts and fittings are rusted together. Metal
brackets that hold brakelines, fuel filters, exhaust
components etc are "gone".
 
(quoted from post at 03:50:30 10/20/11) Ok guys, so I'm sure there's a better place to ask this, but I'm going to try here, as I usually get pretty sound advice here it seems.. I know there are a few that turn wrenches for a living here, which also helps..

The significant other has decided she's looking for a new(er) vehicle.. It'll either be a extended cab truck or a suv.. Likely 4x4, etc..

I'm guessing it'll be something from say 2000 to a couple years old.. It'll defiantly be American (ford, Chevy, or Chrysler) seeing my father is retired from GM and hers from Ford..

My question is, What would be the "best" to work on (I know, nothing is easy these days, but the least complex, as this will be my job sooner or later) as well as most economical to buy parts for, and the most dependable overall? I know these questions are tough to answer, as every vehicle is driven differently, affecting component longevity and so on..

I guess I want to know the best economically to keep on the road, and maintenance and repairs will be my job, so.. I have little basis to decide on my own, as I've had 11 vehicles in 15 years..
4 chevy trucks from 89 to 05.. all but one had 4.3's, all were 2wd..
6 Fords from 79 to 95, 2 351's, 1 300-6, 2 6.9's, and one Powerstroke
1 Dodge, 84, and was a "assembled" unit from various trucks.

I have decided I own the newest truck I'll ever own today.. I can completely rebuild my 86 or 95 Ford or my 05 Chevy cheaper than I can buy ANYTHING new.. and I'll have something I can still work on. I may have to make a sacrifice on fuel economy, creature comfort, or power, but I'm fine with that.. The trucks I have do everything I need them to do.

I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR not to buy because of the bailouts or that bull crap.. I want to hear sound advice on why one is "cheaper" to own than another.

Thanks in advance all

Brad
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I work on all of'em,,, For the ell of it drive/look over a Nissan even it its out of the picture... Out of all that's out their I see less issues with them... I make my living replacing plastic so any American SUV will support me... If I were to by a chebby and I do like them it would not have castech heads (google it)... You can tell allot about previous maintenance on a 5.3 by removing the oil fill tube from the valve cover,,, if its nasty under their run from it... Jeeps, wimmens luv'em if you don't then don't let her drive one... The 4.0 L6 is pertly much bullet proof but I can not say that about the rest of it... I don't care for a Ford SUV tho they have the same issues as the rest,,, The good about a Ford is most failures are pattern failures, it makes my life EZ'er,,, If one fails they all fail in a pattern unlike the rest were its like chasing your tail to find the issue.... I don't know why but GM and Chrysler folks accept failures and fix them with their blessing but my Ford customers throw the towel in and get rid of it... Its a hard call I would like to see the maintenance records before I buy...
 
Shouldnt have to worry about engines blowing spark plus out.It seems to take Ford 10 years to fix mistakes.The cruise control fires are a good example.The Triton engine is another.Aluminum cylinder head have always been trouble.The Izuzu Trooper was a practical car but most needed a new cylinder head.GMs tube cross members are a flop, they collect sand and salt and rust out from the inside.I can see sand the full length of the tube.Talked with a fellow who had replaced two on his chevy and a third was due for replacement.Would plastic plugs fix the problemWhen I got the box off my Ford I noticed there was no black paint on the front of the box, just gray primer.The truck must have cost 20 grand new,Ford couldnt resist pinching pennies on paint.The new Ford trucks are butt ugly.
 
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