Property Rights.

Since I don’t want to hijack the deer hunting thread and my rant is not about hunters exclusively but about people in general I decided to start a new thread.

Until a few years ago I lived on a few acres that bordered a game preserve area of a state park.

The thing that always puzzled me is out in the rural area people would violate your property rights in ways that they would never consider doing in a town or city.

Some of the things that I experienced were………

Driving across my Hay fields “I was just trying to find a way back to the river”.

Riding dirt bikes and 4 wheelers on the property.

Dumping Cats and Dogs that ended up at my house and we either had to end up as caregivers or haul them to the humane society.

Littering or even worse dumping garbage in the ditches.

Leaving feces and toilet paper lying around.

Setting up deer stands without permission.

Dressing out deer and leaving the remains laying on my property.

Cutting down trees “we wanted a real Christmas tree, and way back here we didn’t think anyone would mind”.

Stealing from some old parts tractors and machinery parked in a row of trees out of sight of the house. (caught a couple of teenagers, one night that had hooked a complete pickup to their dads tractor and were going to steal the whole pickup they “thought it was just junk and no one wanted it”).

One of my favorite true stories is that back in the mid 1950’s a painting contractor dumped a pickup load of empty paint cans in a ditch in the edge of a pasture where my uncle kept his cattle, the cans had the shipping labels with the contractors address in a nearby town. My uncle loaded up the cans in his pickup and the next Sunday afternoon he went to town and backed the pickup onto the contractors nice manicured front lawn and returned all of the paint can to the rightful owner, he said the Living room curtains were pulled back a little ways and someone peeked out but no one came out to confront him, end of story.

In the 30 some years that I lived next to the state park land, there were hundreds of thousands of people within a 35 mile radius that did not violate my property rights but there were about 100 people that did exhibit total disregard for property rights.

Based on the deer hunter thread, I would guess some here are going to say, I am lying, and if they are true these things shouldn’t have been a problem because people had a right to do whatever they wanted to on my property, and anyway the majority of the people did not violate anything.

All of the incidents are true, and since the property was bought and paid for by me and I believe I had the exclusive right to deny or permit the who could use the property and for what purposes, I do not believe that anyone had a right to be there without asking permission and if that makes me a “stingy Land owner” well I can live with that.

(quoted from post at 07:26:06 10/18/11) Since I don’t want to hijack the deer hunting thread and my rant is not about hunters exclusively but about people in general I decided to start a new thread.

Until a few years ago I lived on a few acres that bordered a game preserve area of a state park.

The thing that always puzzled me is out in the rural area people would violate your property rights in ways that they would never consider doing in a town or city.

Some of the things that I experienced were………

Driving across my Hay fields “I was just trying to find a way back to the river”.

Riding dirt bikes and 4 wheelers on the property.

Dumping Cats and Dogs that ended up at my house and we either had to end up as caregivers or haul them to the humane society.

Littering or even worse dumping garbage in the ditches.

Leaving feces and toilet paper lying around.

Setting up deer stands without permission.

Dressing out deer and leaving the remains laying on my property.

Cutting down trees “we wanted a real Christmas tree, and way back here we didn’t think anyone would mind”.

Stealing from some old parts tractors and machinery parked in a row of trees out of sight of the house. (caught a couple of teenagers, one night that had hooked a complete pickup to their dads tractor and were going to steal the whole pickup they “thought it was just junk and no one wanted it”).

One of my favorite true stories is that back in the mid 1950’s a painting contractor dumped a pickup load of empty paint cans in a ditch in the edge of a pasture where my uncle kept his cattle, the cans had the shipping labels with the contractors address in a nearby town. My uncle loaded up the cans in his pickup and the next Sunday afternoon he went to town and backed the pickup onto the contractors nice manicured front lawn and returned all of the paint can to the rightful owner, he said the Living room curtains were pulled back a little ways and someone peeked out but no one came out to confront him, end of story.

In the 30 some years that I lived next to the state park land, there were hundreds of thousands of people within a 35 mile radius that did not violate my property rights but there were about 100 people that did exhibit total disregard for property rights.

Based on the deer hunter thread, I would guess some here are going to say, I am lying, and if they are true these things shouldn’t have been a problem because people had a right to do whatever they wanted to on my property, and anyway the majority of the people did not violate anything.

All of the incidents are true, and since the property was bought and paid for by me and I believe I had the exclusive right to deny or permit the who could use the property and for what purposes, I do not believe that anyone had a right to be there without asking permission and if that makes me a “stingy Land owner” well I can live with that.

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Guess I'm a stingy land owner too!

Rick

All I can say is Amen Brother! Anyone who thinks you have no right to complain should have to step in a fresh pile of human feces that someone left on their front walk! No, it's never happened to me, but it should happen to them.
I have lived in the same place for over 35 years. We live on an unpaved county road with only about six houses on it and there are places that are hidden from sight. I also, have had to deal with unwanted animals, trash dumping, and dumping of carcasses and deer entrails.
Only recently has the state put any teeth into the no trespassing laws. Even if your land was posted, it was hard to prosecute anyone, but now if anyone is on posted land they must have a written statement from the landowner.
And as you, I have received all kinds of excuses. I asked someone one day if they had permission t fish. "Oh, yes!" Who gave you permission? "The man up the road". Well. the man up the road doesn't own this property, I DO! Now get your a$$ off it before I call the law!

Like you and Rick, guess I'm stingy too.

Wow. That is bad. I think what is happening is that these other people think that your land is state land and they can dump trash, take a dump, gut deer. And they dont care, cause they paid for the $10 state park sticker. People can be pigs.
I cant imagine what I might do if I saw some guy cutting down one of my trees, it would get ugly.

I'm not sure if I'd describe myself as "stingy",... but I think "petty" might fit me. LOL

Several NO TRESPASSING signs helps your case from a legal standpoint, it goes to the issue of NOTICE. Unfortunately, it almost takes these game cameras or catch em on video to get law enforcement to do anything. YOU NEED EVIDENCE AND PROOF AND IDENITY OF THE TRESPASSERS

It seems some folks think they have a right or entitlement to hunt on private rural property but dont get me started on the politics of the left entitlement society lol HEY ITS NOT FAIR FOR SOME TO OWN ALL THAT PROPERTY AND NOT ALLOW OTHERS TO HUNT THERE, THATS THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT HUH???????? GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

John T Conservative Christian Patriot n old fuddy duddy

The only thing I'd disagree with you is whether it never happens in the city. I live on a small lot in a post-war suburb (about 70-feet across).

Neighbor turns his dog run lose every day to crap on everyone's yard. Mostly mine. Comes over to cut bushes that are my property. His kids are always in my garden digging things up. At dinner time we'll look out the window to him using my front lawn as a playground (so much junk in his yard there is no room, plus I actually have grass). I've had his kids stuck in my window wells more times than I can count. He doesn't reprimand them, or even help them out of the well, just laughs at them.

One day I came home to find his dog down the block, three-year old tearing up my garden, two-year-old in the middle of the street, and neighbor was chipping golf balls out of my driveway. He smiled and waved like it was nothing.

We put a 6-foot solid cedar privacy fence across the entire back property line. Would have run it up the front line too, except code doesn't allow it.

So, I'd just note your comment about the hundreds of thousands of people who respect your property and the 100 that do not. It happens every where.

You need to get a paintball gun and pepper the crap out of that dog. Then the dog goes home and slops paint all over the house. Also "accidently" pouring some waste oil on the dog might help your situation. Or.....Run it over accidently on purpose.

Yep understand how you feel. I live no where near state owned land but have problems with people seeking in the back side of my place. They think that just because there is a creek on my land they can fish and swim in it any time they want. Law here says yes that is true if and only if it flows well enough to paddle a boat down it 9 months out of the year which this one is not. I have lot carbs off tractors and truck due to this and beer cans laying around etc. etc. I started taking pictures of them when I could and then turned them in to the cops and it hash elped a good bit

(quoted from post at 08:57:51 10/18/11) Yep understand how you feel. I live no where near state owned land but have problems with people seeking in the back side of my place. They think that just because there is a creek on my land they can fish and swim in it any time they want. Law here says yes that is true if and only if it flows well enough to paddle a boat down it 9 months out of the year which this one is not. I have lot carbs off tractors and truck due to this and beer cans laying around etc. etc. I started taking pictures of them when I could and then turned them in to the cops and it hash elped a good bit

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Part of the problem here is getting the cops here in time. Can't hold em at gun point, thats assault and illegal detention here and we just don't have enough deputies to go around. Closest town cop is 8 miles and has no jurisdiction outside of town. Can take 15 min or more to get someone here in an emergency. Then their first response is "well we will talk to them". The laws here have teeth in em, problem is getting John Law to close his jaws!

Rick

This whole thing with landowner rights, hunting and how others, guests, trespassers, even friends behave sometimes, can be a real pain in the @ss !

I've dealt with it since I was a kid, I don't have a lot of problems on this 98 acre patch now, but at times people can just be such a nuisance. I try to be cool about it when I encounter ATV's, hunters know to just stay out, its clearly posted. Other people just make it a maintenance program if you want to stay on top of the problems, because if you don't they will try to over run you, even more so if you are a new landowner and post the place, I could write about all kinds of situations, incidents and so on. Depending on location, some places are just going to be a real headache if you want people to stay out, not steal, not poach and or dump garbage.

Some people are very polite and respectful, I have a neighbor like that and on occasion he used to ask to take his great granddaughter down to the pond or something, one of the nicest people I have ever known, best neighbor you could ask for. Always welcome here. Not here to judge, but most people used to be more like that, ask permission, come find you to ask to hunt or what have you which is something most of us can respect, others just barge in without hesitation, creating problems for a landowner.

Owning a piece of land and trying to keep it reasonably private and how you wish, can in fact be a formidable task as I have seen and experienced !

Don't get me wrong about property rights. I'm all for them. Yes I own some hunting land. Not very much. About 33 acres. Could have owned a lot more if I hadn't opted for lakeshore.
The fact is when the founding fathers were writing up the Declaration of Independence they had long and protracted arguments about what should be in it.
There were several, including Jefferson and Hancock who wanted it to read "life, liberty and property". Instead it got changed to the rather muddy "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness".
I support property rights entirely. Yet I see those rights continually diminished by zoning laws and wetlands acts, building codes and various other laws that restrict our use of our lands.
I don't like it.
I also don't like to see people like those who are protesting on Wall Street and asking for ever greater redistributions of wealth. Because one can be rich in land too. And if we start bilking the people who are wealthy money wise what is to stop the redistribution of land to the poor too?
So just for the record I absolutely support you guys who don't allow hunting or tresspassing on your land.
On the other hand I just don't believe all the stories about slob hunters. I know a lot of hunters personally and in 40 plus years of hunting myself I have never seen ONE incident like so many of your are proffering.
I happen to think a lot of the posts in the hunter thread below are coming from anti gun and anti hunting types and so I am lumping most of those posts as bunk.
Yes I understand there are a lot of slobs out there and there are people who could care less if it is your land. Remember I live in the City...
I think most hunters are honest, responsible and grateful to have a place to hunt and in no way deserving of the sorry stereotype some of you have.
And lastly, how many of you who don't allow hunting are also tired of deer eating your crops? I've seen your posts here too where you do the quiet .22 cal in the belly shots so they go crawl off and die somewhere. Makes me wonder who is the greater slob - you or the hunters you like to put down.

LOL Like I say come up and visit. I can show you, right here in MN. And I'll put you in contact with people who will back up the claims I have made. For every person that ask to hunt I bet I have 5 who try to sneak in. In fact the only people who ask are family members, BIL's and wife cousins plus one guy that traps beaver who did drive in and ask a few years ago. Other than that they tresspass.

Rick

well people are people,every day it seems to me that they become less and less considerate.or it could be that im just old and i notice it more,,a few suggestions,1-lock all your gates,fire dept or police ,someone who actually has a NEED to be there will cut your fence anyway.they dont care if the gate is standing open around here.if they need in they go in,and i can sort of relate to that.2- never EVER under any circumstance let someone slide.they will walk all over you.neighbors kids riding four wheelers accross your place call the law!Ive got a little secret for you,that folks seem to have forgotten these days,neighbors WONT do this.you have to make neighbors, those folks down the road are NOT neighbors,they are simply another bunch of people.neighbors respect you and yours as much as theirs and there is a huge difference between people next door and neighbors next door.3- i would love to be able to shoot those folks that dump cats and dogs.best bet if you see one and can,get a tag number.4-when you find garbage on some lowlife has dumped on you ,dont just pick it up.look for an address.if you find one call the local sherrif and have those folks come pick it up or pay a big fine.absolutly true story,my next door neighbor had a huge problem with folks dumping in a creek on his place.he was surprised to find a huge pile of garbage one morning clearly from the local taco bell.this was not from a store but from their local offices.turns out they had hired a local fellow to pick up this info ,shred it and dispose of it properly.neighbor called the corporate office,within an hour he was contacted back,and within one day the regional manager ,his wife and all his children were there in person picking up this trash!I heard later that there was a big lawsuit over this and the fellow who they hired did jail time.so you dont have to accept this and go on.if its in the ditches,call your local county commisioner,its their reponsibility to keep these roads up.CALL HIM every day,several times a day if you have to.make his life miserable.i guarantee it wont be long until the local law, will watch the place and find someone dumping.5- take the tree stands down,and pile them up at your house,one of two things will happen,either the trespassers will get the idea,or they will come hunting them.if they come hunting them call the game ranger,he knows what to do and it doesnt cost you a penny.its amazing how fast this bs stops.6- dressing out a deer and leaving the remains,unless they leave it within 500 ft(here) of your house,about the only thing you can do is just like the dumping thing.in this state thats the recommended practice( not that i like it myself)luckily most of it wont last overnight here because of the coyotes and things.7- cutting trees or removing parts,that stealing ,,if you let one person, ANY person get by with it after you see them,in MY opinion you are an accessory to it! dont cry about what YOU do!put them in jail if you can even if its you own kinfolk!heres a TRUE fact,,in most little towns and rural areas folks know each other,maybe not personally but they at least know OF you.and quite frankly you would be surprised what folks do know.this makes the word spread pretty fast around if you take up for yourself.and its not very long until most of your problems end.laying down and taking these things even if you confront the person is not the way to handle it,if you let them slide for any reason you lose .its like the bully at school,you can either take it and be miserable, or fight back and even if you get your rear kicked bullying will likely stop simply because there easier folks to pick on.sorry for the rant,but until folks get proactive about this crap it will never end.

How about this. I bought 30 acres from a forced estate sale at public auction. The land had beeen use for hay for years after owner died. After I cut and rolled hay a lady followed my wife in and told her not to haul any of the hay out that she had put fertilizer on the field last year and she was going to hay it for the reat of this season. My wife told her we bought it and she said I know you paid too much for it.....We loaded my hay and moved it to our house...Now the lady tell every one I stole two crops of hay from her.

The abusive hunter stories I can tell you are true, and you know me personally. With your response of yesterday I thought you forgot to add the (sarc) disclaimer. Most recent one I got the license number, but tracked him through the phone book. A good memory, little SF ingenuity, but I got him. He was in my standing corn field. Found a bag of trash from a lady in the Buffalo, Elk River area in my field. (40 miles away) Found an address on an envelope and gave her 2 hours to pick it up before I call the sheriff. We don"t need to make this stuff up. Like another says, what would you do if we trashed your lawn in town?

Harm the poor dog because his/her owners are @ssholes?
You are a sick M F!

I will agree with most everything said about
trespassing and trespassing, but, it is not just a
problem with farm and hunting land. I live in
town, have a parade, and auction in the
neighborhood, or someone's birthday party and I
get the same thing on my lawn and in the street.
Farmer friend of mine parked his car right on my
lawn one day to attend and auction. I didn't say
anything but I just thought he would know better.
Beer cans seem to come with the territory also.
It is just the kind of people they are, farmers,
city dwellers or whatever.

Jim I do get trash on my lawn on a regular basis. Mcdonalds wrappers in the street. Watch kids go by and throw their candy wrappers and pop bottles anywhere. I can say that I've watched them many times and they are usually one type of person. But because of the rules on this board I can not say what type of people they are.
But If I were to make a blanket statement that those people are dirty and trashy and hurt property values I would be flamed and have my post go poof.
So my question for you is: if we can't make blanket statements about some people because it's unfair then how can you and others justify making the same types of blanket statements about hunters?

dont call the local police in town,call the sheriffs office.around here they are the only law enforcement there REALLY is besides the game enforcement folks.the town cops are jokes.I had coffee with the county sheriff just this morning in fact.thats why i always suggest getting the tag number if you can.if you really want to push it a tag number,with tire tracks,evidence of most any kind will take care of most things.I personally get madder at those folks who dump animals to fend for themselves than any thing.the dang fools will drive fifty miles and burn a tank of gas to leave one on the side of the road when they live a block from an animal shelter.

I know you have a lot of respect for words....my post referred to "abusive" hunters. That does not blanket all hunters, nor put a percentage on them. If they"re not abusive, they"re not a problem. Those that don"t ask are abusive, and it goes downhill from there. If I turn someone down (seldom) it is for good reason. One guy from Maple Grove has been coming for a decade, I connected him to a guy I sold 40 acres to, he bought it just for hunting. He"s my daughter"s ex-boss, my hunter friend, and landlord, since I rent the tillable from him.

That is what I would do. I am not a dog lover.
The waste oil trick is the messy way to go.

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I happen to think a lot of the posts in the hunter thread below are coming from anti gun and anti hunting types and so I am lumping most of those posts as bunk.

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You need to get out more. I am pro gun and pro hunting to the bone (own more guns than I can count and hunt any chance I get). I am just pro hunting on land that you have permission to hunt on.

I live in the middle of no where and last fall I heard a gun shot in my field. Some yahoo from "town" (small village of a couple hundred people) shot a deer from his truck in my field in the middle of the afternoon. I jumped on my quad and went to see what the heck was up. Long and short of the story is after having a rifle pointed at me and the Law showing up I had venison in MY freezer and he got a ticket.

People from town often poach deer out of season and then take them back to their garages to clean them out. They put the deer guts and carcasses in a garbage bag and toss them in the ditch. If they would just toss them in the woods the predators would clean them up ASAP, but in a garbage bag them last for a long long long time. One was left at the end of my driveway, and in the bag with the deer was a few piece of the "hunters" junkmail. So I politely return the bag containing the deer to their front porch....

I gladly let some neighbor kids hunt here as I think hunting is a valuable tradition that needs to be passed on. And if they ask permission and act responsible then I will gladly allow them to hunt or even go hunting with them.

How would you react if you had to listen to gunshots all day long, and you had no idea what the shooters were aiming at? Last Easter Sunday, some goof decided to squeeze off a few @9am. I was getting ready for church, after I heard about 20 quick rounds, I went out and started screaming - It's Easter sunday!!!!!!"" It's freaking Easter Sunday!!!!!". The shooting stopped. About 5 minutes later, I see a pickup come out of a neighbor's field - which is posted. Really, it gets down to haves and have nots - people without land tresspassing on landowners.

guru
that is a bit drastic it is usually the owners fault not the poor dumb dog.
some years ago we had similar problem with a young lady that had bought the house down the corner from us.
dog was constantly into our trash can mess all over,the wife fixed up a nice conglomeration of all weeks left overs and she went heavy on the oils cooking oil real heavy.
well the young girl goes to work and the dog does to all over the house,eeeewwwww.
young girl has the carpet cleaners in to clean up and dog is back at our trash can.
my wife tries another recipe this time success the young girl has to have the carpet replaced and the dog removed.... some people are just slow learners and they have no mother wit. al

I grew up hunting other folks land. My dad was a country preacher and congregation members gave us access to lots of land. As the years past and we moved away the connections get thin, people pass on, land transfers. Also deer hunting became big and you could lease your woodlots for $$. We were always respectful and appreciative of the privaledge. Since I want to pass that tradition to my children, and so I could hunt a few more seasons with my Father, I bought land. I paide tens of thousands of hard earned cash down and pay eight something a month so I, my children and my Pop can hunt. I spend time and money fighting invasive species, improving my soil with cover crops and creating cover. I grow a few crops for wildlife and to hooby farm. If I catch some low life trespassing there will be hell to pay. You want land, work and get it. Now ask me respectfully, respect the land and the rules in order to take your kid hunting in a time I don"t use it, say spring turkey, and I"ll consider it. On teh other hand I have been awful thankful a few times as a young man for rides when my old truck broke, but I don"t generally pick up hitch hikers.

Back in May of this year, three out of five of our Indiana State Supreme Court justices ruled that police in Indiana not only don't need a warrant to enter anyone's house in Indiana, they don't need to knock before entering someone's, anyone's house in Indiana, or kick the door off of the hinges if that's what they feel like doing, and there isn't a thing that we can do about it. Property rights in Indiana? A thing of the past. These three went so far as to call the Fourth Amendment to our U.S. Constitution an outdated thing of the past, fodder. They say that they did it for "safety" reasons. That allowing officers to just barge into homes at any given hour of the day or night, will be safer for everyone.

The first step to rounding up guns, putting an end to the Second Amendment of our U.S. Constitution is to raid homes, day or night, and naturally take the home owners guns, out of safety while raiding our homes. Right?

Imagine having a big family dog that does what they are supposed to do, and someone barges n that shouldn't be there, an officer looking for a place to happen because he can, and the dog goes after the stranger and gets shot in your home, because it did it job. Imagine that it goes after the stranger that shouldn't be there, and the officer shoots at the charging dog to protect himself, and misses the dog and gets one of your children or wife by mistake that the dog was trying to protect because that’s the direction the dog came from when the officer shot and missed. That somehow seems safer to these three yahoos. Guaranteed that if I'm the only one home and I hear movement that should not be there, I'm not asking before shooting, if that somehow seems safer to these guys.

Two of those three should come up for retention next November, if a fast one isn't pulled by a new law in Indiana that goes into effect that says if a sitting politician is NOT being opposed, their names will not even exist on the ballot. As far as I'm concerned, two of the three should and will be tossed next November, with the third being tossed November 2014. But in that they were "appointed" which means that technically, they would be running "unopposed" when they come up for retainment, and being that politicians are what they are, would not surprise me if someone(s) try to pull a fast one and hide them from being fired, which they most certainly would be, otherwise.

Surprisingly, I haven't heard anything about a U.S. Supreme Court challenge on this.

A different link to a Fox News story about it as well:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/15/indiana-high-court-rules-people-resist-illegal-entry-police-homes/

Mark
U.S. Constitutions Fourth Amendment Tossed In Indiana

Wow Mark -IN.

Not only does that transcend any property rights it totally disregards an individual’s civil rights, I can’t believe that someone won’t challenge this at a Supreme Court level.

I really thought some of our local Judges qualify as incompetent’s, but in this case your Judges win the prize, (shaking head here) what planet are these Judges from?

Well IANAL, but as I read it the issue wasn't whether the police can enter your house for no reason; rather it was whether the homeowner can resist a police office who is attempting to enter the house. Big difference. If they enter illegally you have recourse, but you can't decide when you can resist a law enforcement officer.

Our Fourth Amendment rights were stripped by the PATRIOT Acts, I and II. The Indiana Supreme Court simply confirmed it.

And it wasn't the gun-hating "liberals" who wrote the PATRIOT Acts; it was the Second Amendment-loving "conservatives" who wrote and passed those laws. Ever hear the phrase "unintended consequences" ?? That's what happened here. Since the PATRIOT Acts have been ruled constitutional, then the Indiana Supreme Court action most likely will stand.

I was working in my farm yard with a neighbor when a pickup pulling an empty trailer came by. My neighbor said that was the same pickup that had a load of trash on it earlier. We blocked the road where he dumped the trash because this was a dead end road and he would have to come out this way. When they came by one of the kids said he thought we wanted the ditch filled. We called the sheriff and they came out and issued citations to the four of them and made them load the trash back up.

You did, rented ground has carry over clauses, she can take you to court and win. I have to give something like a 6 month notice to end a farm lease by state law.

Sure Tom, the justices say that we have a recourse. We can take it to court AFTER they do it. Yes, we can even work our way all the way up to the very same guys that made this ruling and depend upon them to...? That will not bring back the dead family member or family dog, or...

There was an article published after this came down where a sheriff in one of our state's counties says that he plans to use this ruling for going into people's homes to...? The article also quoted either another police chief or sheriff that says he has no intentions of allowing his subordinates to do such a thing, because of people like me that will not ask to see a badge before pointing and emptying the gun(s) completely, reloading and emptying again, and he was asked about what that sheriff said about using this ruling as a license to go into people's homes unfettered and at his will on whatever whim, he said of the sheriff that unfortunately he now can do exactly that.

Mark

If it was not expressly stated in the sales contract, then he does not owe her a dime. It was a forced sale. Same as going broke. They just lost what they invested.

I noticed a bag of trash in a neighbors hay field.Found a name on some mail,called the police.They knew who the woman was and said she would be back to pick it up, That trash was full of razor blades and was far enough into the field so that a mower could pick it up.I stopped at a small pond to fish a few years ago.Nice pine and hemlock grove, rock fire place.Not posted, pond had plenty of small bass.I picked up some beer cans and bottles and put them in the truck.Walked along the shore and saw a pick up load of trash dumped at the waters edge,some of it in the water.Called the town clerk and told her about it.She said the town road crew would check into it along with the sheriff.Went by the place a few years later,it was gated and posted.Theres a 100 acre pond just north of us.Small point of land makes a nice place to fish.I found that a slob drove his car on to it and drained the oil. Left 5 oil bottles behind.My land has never been posted,I have found cigarette packs and sandwich bags left by hunters.They could have put the stuff in their pocket and carried it out.Gut piles will get cleaned up by coyotes but the plastic gloves they leave will last a long time.

Some years ago, on opening day of dove season, came home to find 6 empty 12ga. dove hulls lying under white pine tree in my front yard about eighty feet from the house and sixty feet from the roads. From there if not shooting toward house, they were shooting across 1 of 2 intersecting roads. Never found the "sportsman hunter" responsible, but cameras are now in place. Not anti hunting, but am anti idiot.

EX 450 Owner,
I agree 100% and have had most of the things you listed happen to me. When I bought my property, one new neighbor started out the introductory conversation with "Hi, I'm ..., we're very neighborly up here" which I found out to mean the he felt he could do anything he wanted on MY property. He was VERY put out when I asked him to respect the property line as I would his. You'd think I'd asked him for a kidney.

Good post. It DOES seem to happen more in the country than in a town or subdivision.