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ILLEFTY

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Went out today to check my deer stand to make sure if was still safe and in good shape. Unfamiliar truck parked in my woods. It was a guy who has hunted my woods for the last 15 years showing his buddy (who didn't have permission to hunt on my property) where he could put up his stand. Told them both to load up their stands and don't come back.. If they would have ask first I probably would have let him hunt. They do this once and soon you have 50 hunters without permission hunting on your property. I'm done now. Sorry.
 
When scouting my cousins woods for dead trees for fire wood, he and I found 7 BUILT IN tree stands in 60 acres. No one has ever asked permission to hunt there. Decisions on how to handle it (MY sugestion, cut down the trees) are ongoing.
 
I know where you're coming from.

My property got so overrun about 20 years ago, I pitched a bigtime fit and laid down some ground rules. In the process, I threw my niece's husband and a bunch of his buddies off the place permanently. He wouldn't speak to me for a couple of years, but it wasn't the first time and might not be the last.

First unbreakable ground rule I laid down is that I have the place to myself until I get my first deer. Now, I have six besides myself who hunt the place. One of my high school buddies and his three sons, and a retired doctor and his son. Doc and I have been water skiing and deer hunting buddies for 40 years, and I remember the day his son was born.

These guys all know each other, do it right, coordinate with each other on when they're hunting, and they all have my authorization to throw anyone off the place who is not a member of the group.

Life is a whole lot simpler.
 
we guide and put people up in a cabin for three day hunts, have had to chase many of the local poachers off---had the game ranger remove some of the repeat offenders. have had a few that did have permission from neighbor and got lost, but for the most part they know they are in the wrong. 5 or six years ago I had a nasty note in one of our rifle stands demanding that I take the stand down since it was on his new lease---since it had been there for about ten years I called the number he had left and got on the phone with his wife---she started apologizing profusely after I identified who I was --her husband was too embarassed to get on the phone with me. honest mistake, the funny thing is he couldn't find his way back to remove the nasty note, and the client I had was suspicious that I was putting him in someone elses blind.
 
Same thing on my dads farm,every fall I have to tear down the tree stands all the poachers set up.Also clean up their trash.
 
I am amazed by this post and several before in months prior. In Florida, trespassing with a firearm is a felony, e.g. you lose your truck, your firearm! Doesnt matter if it"s posted or not. We have 400 acres of swamp that"s well renowned in this area for good bucks, it backs up to the local Wal-Mart. We"ve caught and sent a few to jail. The game wardens here don"t play around. I would never even think about hunting on someones property without written permission (I have a little form that protects me and the property owner if I fall out of a tree and break my neck!)
 
Same thing here we moved off a place and were gone about a year "Still owned it" this has been a few years ago. My son came home from service and wanted to hunt. we got into woods a little before daylight and set down at your favorit spots. about daylite some stranger that I didn't know came up to me and told me I was going to have to move that I was in his hunting place. I told him that I hated to bust his bubble but thjat I owned the land that he was trespassing on and I would hunt any where I wanted to no it And I would be very pleased if he would remove himself from said property and never come back.
 
Call them hunters,? sit in a hide and wait for the deer to cross the sights.
Give the quarry a chance,that will prove how good you are.{ or not]
Similar to shooting a rabbit in it"s squat.Armchair stuff.
 
Isn't just the hunters that are idots.
I'm having a problem with a contractor right now that thinks, because I appear to make more money than him, he is ENTITLED to more than he contracted for. He as lost his contractor license will be convicted of grand larceny and his suit will be dismissed and still he persistes.
 
I don't seem to have those kinds of problems anymore. Did for many years. Hunters out of Toledo would go where ever they wanted and dare you to call the law. Had one remind me and my wife he was the one with the gun. With us taking a picture of his hunting license number his next visitor had a gun also along with a badge.
Several years ago I gave the DNR Officer in our area permission to hunt and him only.
Problem solved. Somehow the word got out that it would better to stay off my property. Not a single sigh posted at all.
 

That's why I won't give ANYONE permission to hunt or fish on my property, especially the neighbors who I know do it without my knowledge. They tear down my fences and put them back up haphazardly, throw beer bottles and trash all over the place. No respect for property rights. The hunters that have asked me seem put out that I don't just automatically say yes. Not all hunters are idiots but if the sampling I run across is typical, it would probably in the 60-70% range.
 
I haven't had any problems for quite some time now. I get calls from out of staters wanting to hunt pheasants and if no one else has it for that weekend I let them in. They come to the door before they hunt and sometimes send me a thank you card. Years ago we'd have trouble with rich hunters from Des Moines who would stand and argue with us when we "got in their way". I confronted one old timer who had snow in the end of his shotgun. I told him about it and he was surprised to know the barrel might blow up with snow in it. So he stood there pounding on the loaded gun trying to dislodge the snow. I got out of there fast and just let them walk the rest of the way to their car. Jim
 
I know what you guys are putting up with , trespasing hunters ,as I had 3/4 mi. of line fence between our farm and a state game farm/hunting preserve for several yrs . No matter what was in "season" I had hunters in my bean & corn fields. The game warden & I soon became very good friends.
Had about 16 hunters in a ripe bean field one morning. Held them all till the warden got there. Some told me that I had no rite to stop them from being in my field , they had gotten there permit to hunt . But not off of the game preserve . After they saw the barrel of a shot gun looking at them ,they got the idea that I meant business.
This was an ongoing hassel every year and the "state" game farm was no help at all.
 
You want to see a hunting "challenge"? You should see my idiot neighbor and his Put and Take pheasant operation. I call them chicken hunters because thats what it looks like. The pen raised birds are so domesticated they won't fly. They go out and when the dog finds one they walk up to it and literally poke it with their gun barrel to get to fly. One day they shot nine times with at least five hitting it-bet that was good eatin. They've pelted my house four times with shot so far. they drive their field on my dad's side leaving a trail of empty shells. Every now and then they walk down the road with their dogs so they can "accidentally" run into my yard and flush an escapee pheasant over to their side so they can blast it. They own 400+ acres but have to hunt less than the legal limit of 450' from mine and my dad's house.
 
I have very little trouble out of the guys who hunt my place but I also have set rules. They have to let me know they are here and if they want to bring some one in they have to bring them to me to make sure it is ok. If they do not follow the rules they simply do not hunt here any more
 
We have some but very little problems with still (from tree stand) hunters. If a couple sneak on and kill a deer or two a year it goes unnoticed.

Its the guys with those dang dogs that drive me crazy. The hunter never crosses the fence line but you can always find holes in the field fence where they let the dogs in.
 
Same jerk has been..."lost".."Don't know the proerty lines"..."got turned around in the dark"
for the last 10 or 12 years. Amazing, I am smart enough to make enough money to own the land, but too dumb to recogize that it is the same jerk year after year.

i should call the police but I am trying to avoid complications.
 
When I retired from the service I returned to Mo. on the farm. Had a guy that seemed to think that he could come on the farm & trap out of the ceeek, he didn t have permission to be on the farm. I waited one morning about1 hr after he started I went down the whole length of the creek on both sides as we owned both sides of the land . I looked & every place I found a trap I threw it , pulled it up & threw in the deepest part of the creek , problem solved , never came to ask anything about them.
 
You did the right thing, run them off and if he comes back then call the law. I've had the same thing happen on my land concerning my fish ponds, former close friends inviting their other sets of friends and family to come catch all the fish they can haul off all the while leaving their trash laying around for me to clean up. Nipped that in the bud years ago. If you want to fish here then you better stop by my house and ask for permission each and every time you want to wet a hook. I lease my hunting land from 2 different timber companies, of which amounts to 1835 acres and it connects to my land that I own. Every couple of years I find tree stands and piles of corn that some poacher/trespasser has brought in and I report it to the law, sometimes they catch the trespassers but most times not. Folks have no respect these days.
 
Had a similar thing happen just last week. I"m not a hunter and rarely kill anything but I do try to make my land available to those that do since I know how hard it is to get a place to hunt.

Used to let a old co-worker come hunt birds and he brought along a marine buddy. Last week I encountered 4 young men with an arsenal of large caliber rifles, asked them what they were doing here and the said their friend said they could hunt anytime !! Apparently my friends marine buddy told several of his buddies they could come hunt when they please.

Since they were actually active duty guys I let them stay the day to finish the hunt and fun, but they had to ask permission to come back from me in the future.

It was very disappointing to be taking advantage of when you are trying to be kind and generous
 
We leased about 150 acres of brush pasture when we were dairying in the '50's. Game folks talked Dad into allowing hunting one year- they released pheasants, put in little parking areas and check-in points, etc.- supposed to be a great deal. It was a fiasco- parking areas filled up before daybreak, but no problem, the "sportsmen" cut our fences so they could drive in and park. Never mind the "Safety Area" signs- we had hunters everywhere: in the irrigated pasture, around the barn, down by the creek- everywhere they weren't supposed to be. We had heifers out by the freeway (Interstate 5) when they escaped where hunters cut the fence.

Dad and I went out Monday after opening weekend, put up "No Tresspassing" signs all over the place, and took out everything the game dept. had put in- check-in point, fenced parking areas, signs, everything- no sign of a public hunting area when we got through. Took everything home, and sure enough, game guys showed up, all upset- we detailed what had happened, and told them to back their pickup up to the pile of stuff, and we loaded it in. They said "We have an agreement, we can sue you"- we said our countersuit will make yours look silly by comparison.

They left in a huff, but we never heard from them again. Bunch of hunters came back the next weekend, but we ran them off.
 
I wouldnt have cared if they were active duty or not, if it was my land they would have been gone. Its all about respect, if you have it you will ask.
 
Oh great.
Let's have one big happy hate fest towards the hunters.
I think half the replys here are pure bunk and the rest are laced with significant exaggeration.
I hope the damned deer eat every one of your crops, your gardens and your wife's flowers too. I really do.
Who would have thought there'd be such a bunch of sorry, petty, stingy land owners here.
 
Sorry, petty, stingy landowners? What don"t you understand about private property? Just because a guy doesn"t want any Tom, Dick or Harry hunting on his place, what gives them the right to trespass?
 
ultradog this is one of many ways my family makes a living--have managed a deer herd for 20 years now---law requires oklahoma hunters to carry written permission or face a ticket. most of the hunters that come here have been coming so long they are family friends. we provide some of the best hunting in this part of the country because we manage the harvest. unwanted hunters that would willingly trespass usually don't care if they leave a gate open or cut your fenceline. during deer season we usually have to chase many cows because of that. I have two parcels of land that I let my friends hunt on for free. but if they so much as leave trash they know they won't be back.
 
That's exactly why I don't let anyone hunt on my land. First thing you know you have guys that you don't know all over. I don't want to have to worry about my kids walking on our own land because I don't know people are there. I do invite a friend to hunt WITH me occasionally.

Larry
 
(quoted from post at 21:16:08 10/17/11) Oh great.
Let's have one big happy hate fest towards the hunters.
I think half the replys here are pure bunk and the rest are laced with significant exaggeration.
I hope the damned deer eat every one of your crops, your gardens and your wife's flowers too. I really do.
Who would have thought there'd be such a bunch of sorry, petty, stingy land owners here.
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Do you own huntable property???? Ever had bullet holes in your hoese, vehicles, buildings, equipment, or animals or had people shot???

Growing up across the river from WV, we always heard about hunting "accidents" where the actual accident was the "hunter" being concieved in the first place...

Couple that come to mind:
2 kids (10 or so?) were groundhog hunting and went on each side of a high spot. One saw a groundhop and shot it. Went to pick it up and saw that he had shot the other one in the head...

Guy got shot in the a$$ while taking a dump... Whitetail season yaknow.....

Guy got shot out of his treestand cause another "deer" hunter thought he was a turkey....


You should see what's involved to hunt/fish over here.......

License process is the first biggy and before you finish with classes and tests you know more than most conservation officers/wildlife biologists... Get all that done and pass the test/register. Then you have to find and acquire thru rent, purchase, etc an area to hunt/fish and you register for that area with the "state"... You are now responsible for the wildlife in that area. Some of those responsabilities are:
Manage the amount of game thru harvesting, reporting population, culling, property/crop damage to an extent... Animal gets hit on the road, passing your area, you are called to recover it and responsible for vehicle damage. Yadda yadda..... Mileage varies from area to area but that is the gist of it. Fishing is almost as bad......[/url]
 
Ultradog MN -
Will be back online later today with Hunter updates. Running out the door for job interview.

ShepFL - A Hunter not a slob with a gun
 
My uncle and 2 other guys actually shot and killed a guy near Kalkaska Mi years back, they all broke the cardinal rule that if you are not positive of what you are shooting, don"t. All three saw what they thought was the tail of a deer flagging in the woods, turns out it was a stupid hunter wearing brown carhart"s taking a dump in the woods with white toilet paper. The guy was dead before any of the three of them got close enough to realize they murdered someone.
 
(quoted from post at 21:16:08 10/17/11) Oh great.
Let's have one big happy hate fest towards the hunters.
I think half the replys here are pure bunk and the rest are laced with significant exaggeration.
I hope the damned deer eat every one of your crops, your gardens and your wife's flowers too. I really do.
Who would have thought there'd be such a bunch of sorry, petty, stingy land owners here.
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Dog, I have no problem with hunters! They drive in knock on the door and ask if they may hunt. This is a very rare species and should be nurtured!

I do have a problem with jerks who drive in without asking, shoot at everything to include No Tresspassing signs (I think they zero their deer guns on em) tear down those signs, cut fences and erect structures and drive nails into my trees, shoot across property lines with little reguard as to the buildings or animals that may be backstops and or rent out hunting on land that belongs to others to someone else without permission, think that my land is a dump or that they can just take anything that isn't under lock and key. There is an over population of these critters and there should be a no limit open season on em!

They are almost as bad as the people on 4 wheelers and snowmobiles who chase critters through the woods, cut fences so they can chase cows, drive across planted fields and in general make themselves a pain in the rear. I actually caught my nephew and his buddies in a neighbors field last winter cause he broke down. And he knows better!

I know the stories shound a little far out there but I know of some that while hard to believe I know to be true. Like the local guy who has been caught more than once selling hunting rights on other peoples property (come on up and visit and I'll show you the reamains of a stand he built on my property). Or another guy who used a dozer to make shooting lanes through a friends woods from his stand on his side of the property line. Got a neighbor on my west side that I share a property line with who tried telling me I could not hunt on my property near the line because they "may shoot across the property line and he didn't want to hurt anyone".

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 00:49:51 10/18/11) Why is it that most hunters are idiots? I would like to have the deer seriously harvested, but the hunters are worse!
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I think you maybe inviting the wrong folks.

Most of the guys I hunt with respect the landowners property as if it were their own and we usually leave the place cleaner and tidier than we found it.

I hate to hear stuff like this but fully understand.


I lost a feeder and two lock on stands a couple of years ago on the property we like to visit the most. Last year I found my feeder and stand about a 1/2 mile away. Trespasser/poacher set the dam feeder up on our place and hunted with it.
 
I dont even bother with them anymore,i simply call the law.Here all you need is a tag number and the law will hunt them down.tree stands?thats a laugh,cut the tree down with the stand in it ,they get the picture.By the way ,oklahoma just this year signed an agreement with 33 other states that if you get caught poaching or tresspassing in one you lose hunting rights in all 33.dont let these folks get by with this bs. nows the time to put a stop to it.you dont even have to show up in court,all it takes is one phone call and you wont have this mess to deal with.when you call and report them,make sure you tell them you want them prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.dont cut them any slack REGARDLESS of who they are( you should have heard the local sherrif apologizing when i wanted him to arrest his own kid).its amazing how fast the word gets around that you wont allow it.and the problem simply goes away.to me they are thieves,the same as a person that would break into your home or barn.funny thing is ,except for one fellow who was so drunk he was falling down,ive never turned away anyone who stopped at the house and asked to hunt.but the bad thing is ,most of these folks are not only thieves they are to much of a coward to even stop and ask permission,which upsets me even more.
 
(quoted from post at 21:16:08 10/17/11) Oh great.
Let's have one big happy hate fest towards the hunters.
I think half the replys here are pure bunk and the rest are laced with significant exaggeration.
I hope the damned deer eat every one of your crops, your gardens and your wife's flowers too. I really do.
Who would have thought there'd be such a bunch of sorry, petty, stingy land owners here.
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Hey,... if you don't like the land owner's replies regarding slob hunters,... then you can go buy your own land (nobody here is stopping you) and enjoy some of these "sorry, petty, stingy land owner's" experiences for your ownself.
 
I have no problem with HUNTERS, it's the slobs who are the problem. And there are a great plenty of them. I've had to throw people off my land, tear out illegally built stands, pick up trash etc., like many of the other posters. Last week, a bath tub, sink, adn a couple bags of garbage were dumped on the edge of one of my fields. It's been better since WI law was changed to make it trespassing if you're on any private land without permission, whether it's posted or not, but there are still some idiots. I've seen enough crap that I believe the other posts. And most hunters (and trappers) who take the time to ASK are given permission, except for gun deer season, when I have a big enough crew of my own hunting here.
 
Actually, he does own some land for hunting. Not
sure how he manages to avoid the problems most of
the rest of us see.
 
It sounds like you all have a terrible time with trespassers. I don't know how I ever got so lucky since I've never caught anyone trespassing to hunt on my farm. Maybe I just subconsciously look the other way because I could care less about antlers and want most of the deer to die? Or maybe I just live far enough from a city that the jerks don't invade during hunting season.

Now, the trout fishermen annoy me, but not enough for me to confront them about trespassing. Most of them don't even realize that they're breaking the law by not asking permission. I just have to hope my liability insurance covers it if one of my mean momma limousins mauls a fisherman during calving season.
 

Caught one of the neighbors giving guided hunts at night on our deer lease in TX. He was driving around with several hunters in an ATV with spot lights and dogs. Unbelieveable.
 
(quoted from post at 09:08:21 10/18/11)
Caught one of the neighbors giving guided hunts at night on our deer lease in TX. He was driving around with several hunters in an ATV with spot lights and dogs. Unbelieveable.
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Guy that's been caught here doing that stuff was doing it on absentee land owners farms. He got caught cause he wasn't paying attention and one retired and moved back to the farm. Got caught again the following year when a snowbird stayed an extra month to hunt. Now he yealls and screams at people cause "no one will give him a fair shake".

Rick
 
Some people are so stupid. Last year we had a poacher shoot a deer a week before gun season in our field along the gravel road. We were at the farm, but couldn't catch him. My cousin is the game warden for our area. Him and his buddies set up a decoy and nailed the same guy 2 nights later. The poacher said he was scouting the buck and was going to ask us if he could hunt. My cousin laughed and said I don't think so because I hunt here.

It is good to have game wardens as part of your family. You don't have many problems with poachers and trespassers if they know the game warden hunts there. But make no mistake, he would get me if I was breaking the law also.
 
It's too bad that there are "hunters" out there that give guys that try to do it right a bad name.

Rule # 1: If it's not your land, stay off it unless you have permission. If you have a wounded deer that crosses the property line, ask the land owner if you can go on his property to retrieve it.

Rule# 2: If someone says no, it means no. If they say they don't know you and you really want to hunt the property, ask for the chance to let them get to know you. Help with repairing fence, clearing brush, etc over the summer. More than likely, they'll let you hunt next year.

Rule # 3 - Treat their property like it was owned by the Queen of England. Follow all the rules. No driving in the fields means not even an ATV.

Rule # 4 - At the minimum, a thank you after the hunt and a thank you card after the season. I have found that a fruit basket or some sausage is always appreciated.


I really hope that these yahoos haven't put a bad taste in your mouth for hunters. I would suspect that the majority are still guys that are very respectful towards your land and grateful for the opportunity to enjoy time outdoors. Don't give up on us!!!! :)
 


That is all most landowners ask for. but , there is usually one rotten apple in the barrell. My friends that hunt on me help work cattle fix fence etc.... and never leave trash. last one that did still tries to come back.
 
Here in Michigan nobody owns water. If a stream ,creek ,river, pond is on or runs threw your property and someone can get to it from public property (county road right away) their is nothing anyone can do as long as the stay in or on the water. If a fence is up blocking their way they have every Right to walk the most direct route around without damaging property to get back to the water. My buddy is a county cop he got a call last spring that someone was fishing a stocked pond on private property. The water was high. The guy fishing put his small boat in a ditch along the road and rowed into the pond. Nothing anyone could say. The guy who owned the property around the pond was sure hot. lol. But he didn't know the law.
 
(quoted from post at 00:16:08 10/18/11) Oh great.
Let's have one big happy hate fest towards the hunters.
I think half the replys here are pure bunk and the rest are laced with significant exaggeration.
I hope the damned deer eat every one of your crops, your gardens and your wife's flowers too. I really do.
Who would have thought there'd be such a bunch of sorry, petty, stingy land owners here.
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Spoken like a true spoiled-brat from the big city, think they should be able to do anything they please, no matter who has to clean up after them, foot the bill for it or be inconvenienced, offended or endangered!
 
(reply to post at 15:45:06 10/17/11)
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I don't have the property that you guys out west do, but my 400 acres here in Pa is a large parcel these days. I let a few guys hunt, but I size them up pretty well before I say yes. They aren't all that bad. I don't like the ones who show up in the summer and pretend to offer a helping hand.
They do virtually nothing and expect to have exclusive hunting rites year around. I would like to do a Pa deer hunt trade for one in NE. My problem is I can't afford or won't pay what the outfitters are asking in NE. $2500 to $3500 is way too much to hunt whitetail for 3 days.
 
(quoted from post at 19:40:01 10/18/11)
Rule # 4 - At the minimum, a thank you after the hunt and a thank you card after the season. I have found that a fruit basket or some sausage is always appreciated.
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Good call.

I gave a land owner 4 dozen cookies from our "famous" Collin Street Bakery one time. I think it was just about 6 cookies of every thing they had to offer that day.

I missed them on the way out and left it at their door. The next weekend I ran into them and asked how they liked the cookies. He said he loved him but then advised me that he and his wife were both diabetic. :oops:

He still liked the cookies and said they just froze them and only ate one a day.

Anyway, I think I'll go with the fruit basket or sausage from here on out. :wink:
 
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